Police officers 4 year Old just shot himself dead near my hometown- This WILL be national news.

reply to post by Cynicaleye


Yep, parents need to teach responsible firearm handling to their children. Also it is a good idea to keep them out of reach of children who are not responsible enough to handle them without a parent.

Raist

Update: www.mlive.com...
He is on paid leave, no real details.

Watch this: I KNOW what happened... PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THIS... The asshole forgot his service weapon at home and left it on a table in easy reach of the child. This is what the investigation has uncovered and it is going to be ruled an accident (although none of this is public)

-He is going to walk after a nice time of paid leave.

I am sick which is why I am bringing this to light...

Well, this sucks, poor kid.

If you're going to keep your gun handy, why not keep it out of reach of the 4 year old, it's not a hard thing to do. My dad has always had guns in the house, either we couldn't get to them, or they weren't loaded, and the ammo was kept separate. However, as kids, me and my brothers were taught not to handle them without mom or dad around.

It's funny that there are so many posts on here that say something along the line of "stupid gun nuts, guns should be banned". Need I remind you folks that this was in the home of a Police Officer, somebody that would have a gun whether the average Joe can or not. So, banning guns wouldn't have prevented this. I will not stand for a gun ban unless it's a blanket ban that includes everybody, including police, military, and government officials, then and only then would I support a gun ban.

Here are the FACTS (although some not public)

Officer leaves home without his loaded weapon.

Child finds weapon and shoots himself.

Wife doesnt call 911- She calls Officer Easter.

Officer Easter contacts dispatch-

-Child dies-

-Its essentially ruled an "accident" with very little "investigation"

-Officer gets paid time off to "make arrangements" (now: This could be vacation time he is using- Unsure right now, only that it is being paid-)

-I ask once again...What would happen to you or I in the same situation?

Police ask for us to compassionate- This guy was a K-9 officer who had no problem splitting up families for non violent crimes.)

-Similar cases with LESS negligence have resulted in imprisonment in our County (but these were not law Enforcement Officers who it happened to)

-The End. =(

Makes me sick!! Of all people to not make sure a gun was secure. I didn't read in the article about him being allowed to be at home to grieve. If he was then I agree with you. Just another case of special treatment. I feel for them, they will have to live with it. To live knowing it's your fault your child is gone. Don't know that I would or could handle that. Sad, sad, sad!

Fk him... He never educated his kid on firearms and that is what happens... I went to elementary school in the 80's and they taught us gun safety. I will not shed a tear for this irresponsible piece of chit.

Gs

I am assuming that this is a handgun...

It is soo hard to cock a handgun, my hand ends up soar and my fingers get a bit "roughed up"

This proves that the gun was cocked and loaded. If i was in that situation, i would have left it Uncocked and Loaded, then the 4 year old would never be able to arm the firearm...

reply to post by DarKPenguiN


i think the mother should have called 911.
both parents will have to face the loss of the kid, and it's their fault entirely. i feel nothing towards parents that are not responsible enough - they have a gun in the house, make sure your kid stays away from it, hang it from the ceiling if you want to be sure the kid wont reach it, especially if the ceiling is tall.

in any case, im against holding guns in the house, but im not in the us either, and here it's illegal to own one. UT if you're going to have one, please make sure you keep it unloaded at least, make sure you do everything you can those around you are safe. if you dont, it means you don't care enough for them, even if you say you do.

reply to post by Sek82

it seems you have no idea why our country was created. it's so sad to see how ignorant of history you are. Please educate your self and realize the DHS can not randomly invade our homes.

Originally posted by kaidec
Makes me sick!! Of all people to not make sure a gun was secure. I didn't read in the article about him being allowed to be at home to grieve. If he was then I agree with you. Just another case of special treatment. I feel for them, they will have to live with it. To live knowing it's your fault your child is gone. Don't know that I would or could handle that. Sad, sad, sad!

Its in the updated article- here-

Rand said the deputy is taking an indefinite amount of time off.

"He needs to attend to family issues," he said.www.mlive.com...


Our Sheriffs generally carry .45 automatics.... There weapons require the chamber to be loaded and safety turned off to fire- The information I have is that Officer Easter left the gun on the table (which was "locked and loaded with the safety OFF) and left for work... Within minutes the child found the weapon and pulled the trigger.

-People here are really spolit and MLIVE (our local "print media") is going censor crazy... We are angry that parents have done far less and been in far m ore trouble. How could a trained officer not realize his service weapon was not with him-Plus, why was it "locked and loaded with the safety off?

Now, once again- I am not trying to stir up any "gun debate" I am FOR the 2nd amendment and feel this whole thing is tragic- I also DO think this was totally an "accident" (avoidable, but an accident nevertheless) and that the parents are going through hell right now.

-MY ISSUE is with the double standard in how this is being handled along with the fact this isnt making national news because it does NOT fit an agenda of Gun Control (because this is a Sheriff, he would be exempt from losing his weapons and we are supposed to believe theese people are the only ones responsible enough to carry.)

EVERYTHING I said here is true- The investigation has said NOTHING and they are going to stall because once they come out and admit the child was killed by Officers Easters Service weapon and that he "forgot it" at home, it is going to reflect TERRIBLY on our Sheriffs dept.

The "State Police" are handling the investigation but they are all buddies even housed pretty much together in Downtown Jackson.

-Once again I would also like to state- Our Sheriffs (and local police) are really good guys overall. I have lived all over the nation and never met Law Enforcement even close to what we have here- They are generally "nice" and "not out to get you". When the Stanley Cup came to downtown. the Sheriffs were on Horseback (crowd Control) and allowed everyone to "party"[edit: and left everyone alone to have fun unless they became] violent... They even posed for pictures with my wife, other people, etc..etc... I do not "hate them" I just want equality among how we are all treated.




EDIT: Our County has LOTS of corruption- Sadly we had some "good corruption" as well, and they stopped that ...We had a Judge here who was AWESOME. He would not give "fines" to poor people - Instead he asked them to write "book reports". He actually was quoted as saying (paraphrase) something like " These people do not have the money for fines, they come to me and I cannot very well take what little they have".. Long story short, they ran him off the bench by scrutinizing everything he did and found he had been "writing off speeding tickets" for people he knew- BUT (honestly) they didnt care about that since all our Judges do that- They just wanted a reason...And he was pretty well LOVED by the people.

www.mlive.com...

THIS has just turned into a full blown coverup-

They are now stating this was NOT the officers service weapon (but also stating they have no idea how the child got a weapon) and it was "accidental.
Notice they made sure to tell us it wasnt a service weapon but also that they have no idea- BUT it was an "accident"-

What they are saying is not the truth. The information I received came from the Cousin of his wife who was defending him and was also on the news to attest to his "character". She said this Sunday? morning in confidence and I did not repeat it until last night... I am sure she knew, since she was not only there at the Hospital with the family, but afterword as well.

I did NOT lie, hoax or make anything up... And by the wording its evident they are covering this up... This has just turned criminal.

thing is, who's gun was it, if not his father's?
his mother's? neighbor's? who and why was it in the reach of children?

the story is missing some stuff. and wasnt it said previously that he forgot his gun at home?

Originally posted by Kryscent
thing is, who's gun was it, if not his father's?
his mother's? neighbor's? who and why was it in the reach of children?

the story is missing some stuff. and wasnt it said previously that he forgot his gun at home?

I was the one who said he forgot his gun at home (the news or officials never said that-)

I am friends with his wife's Cousin and I think it was late saturday night or early Sunday morning (my time is way off right now) when I was talking about an "unsecured weapon" and "negligence" and she said "the weapon was not unsecured , it was an accident" to which I said "If the weapon was secured, how did the child get it?" She then said that I had to keep this in "confidence" and that he was running a bit late and absentmindedly left his service weapon on a table and within minutes her Cousin (Mrs Easter) heard a gunshot.

I am certain this was the truth I was told-

Which they are now stating "it wasnt his service weapon, we have no idea how the child got a weapon AND this is being rules an 'accident'" (i.e. no charges, investigation is essentially over)

So if nobody was negligent and there was no weapon left laying around- How do we have a dead 4 year old? PLUS why did Mrs Easter call her husband FIRST and not dial 911??? This WAS reported by the news.

This is a coverup. Period.

EDIT: This is scary as HELL. I am watching an actual coverup happening as we speak- IN MY LOCAL CITY!!!!!!!! If they will cover-up something like this, they will coverup anything. I have totally lost any faith I still had.

It's sad that the kid lost his life. I'm also sad that I'm not surprised by the different way this case is being treated. I've known a lot of police families and it's pretty normal to hear them tell or that they've told their family not to call 911 but to call someone they know or them.

www.washingtontimes.com...
See, the Washington Times picked this up (whoever they are) and this completley goes with the "he left his weapon at home" because he returned less than 5 minutes after leaving meaning the Child was killed VERY shortly after he left. consistent with his service weapon left on a table...

As for calling him first instead of 911- I understand this, but when a child is shot and seconds matter instead of relaying information, calling 911 starts emergency response IMMEDIATELY.
EDIT: I also have been told the same (have a friend who is a city Police officer) and I would call him for most issues... But not if my wife (or child- in this instance) is dying.

i.e. The time it took to tell her husband what happened and have him contact dispatch wasted time.

EDIT: usnews.nbcnews.com...
hmmmmm, this is going national.

Originally posted by BoogieMan911
reply to post by Sek82

 

Dead kids don't make you mad?
Have a heart.

What about you? I don't see you raising hell over all the dead kids in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or are they only terrorists there not actually kids right? Hypocrite.

reply to post by concernedUScitizen


It depends on the gun. Both hand guns I have can be fired as long as a round is in the chamber and the safty is off (also with the .40 the slide lock has to be off). The .380 has an external hammer the . 40 does not.

For instance say I slide the .380 back to load a round and ease the hammer down I can still pull the trigger and the hammer will go back until it hits its release going forward and hitting the firing pin. I am not sticking up for the guy in this case because he was responsible to take make sure this did not happen, I am just trying to help explain the that some guns do not need cocked as long as there is already a round in the chamber.

Basically he left a loaded "hot" gun laying around where his kid could grab it.

Raist

reply to post by bellagirl


People will start making them on their own. Lead, brass, and gun powder. You can make your own bullets

Originally posted by brettrix
reply to post by Sek82

 

it seems you have no idea why our country was created. it's so sad to see how ignorant of history you are. Please educate your self and realize the DHS can not randomly invade our homes.

It seems you actually thought that was a serious suggestion.
By the way this went national, but they are not making a big deal about it.
Safety first!

Originally posted by BoogieMan911
Another dead kid.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people?
It's the pathetic gun loving culture that caused this.
We need our guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government? Yeah right. You gun freaks ain't done jack so far, while the government walks all over you.

Absolutely.

There are people that "get it" but it's shame the gun nuts/freaks shout the loudest.