A serious question about chemtrails

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by SPECULUM

 

Oh, and when I was in the USAF, I worked the flight line. I could get a jar of JP-8 pretty much any time by just asking. You might want to try that before you say it won't work.

did you ever test any of the fuel??? maybe you should have then you would know for FACT

Originally posted by fireyaguns
reply to post by Painfulhead

 

Chemtrail is an escape goat word for those who deny the truth and the shills that continually start strawman arguments over the chemtrail word.

Arial Geo Engineering is real and changes the whole discussion as we are not talking about chemtrails but Arial geo engineering.

I have seen also more often these last 10 years, children’s movies and cartoons full of Arial geo engineering back grounds, cars is a good example (I am not saying Arial geo engineering has'nt been going on for many many years, most likely over half a centry).
Hollywood has its minders also like all entities, they have been infiltrated by the synagogue of Satan.

edit on 1-3-2013 by fireyaguns because: was going to mention HAARP but might do later

HOLLYWOOD has the highest degree of influence used by the mainstream media for many different forms of subtle persuasion.

reply to post by defcon5


sorry but this is wrong and shows that you eather didnt take the time to realy dig or are not very informed about games. as i mentioned in the first post the game MW3 had "contrails" mostly in the new map (downloaded after release). same game ,same programers and same game engine.

in the new Forza race title over japan you will see not just classic "contail" lines but also the thining and clouds that one see's hours after heavy traffic.

sky rendering has been important to gameing and has been getting better and better as years go by, to say that the game council did not have the power to render this until now is wrong, even the first XBox was powerful enough to render great looking skys and did, check the first Halo games skys (now over ten years old)

anyway its a fun debate and neather side can prove much, I have seen to many "Contrail" that dissapate in very strange ways, that in my oppinion looks wrong and then questions come up. I dont think any answers will come from this thread but i will keep looking,

here is a quote from the past that is very telling now a days

"Look all around theres nothing but blue sky, look straight ahead NOTHING BUT BLUE SKY"

play nice,,,,,Painfulhead

and last but not least. why now is every day right for "contrails" to linger regardless of the weather or conditions?

reply to post by network dude


you missed the sarcasm, no one will talk about this seriously I knew that, thats why its there.
and its a thread about chems in video games how serious could i be. its kind of just odd.

Originally posted by SPECULUM

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by SPECULUM

 

Oh, and when I was in the USAF, I worked the flight line. I could get a jar of JP-8 pretty much any time by just asking. You might want to try that before you say it won't work.

did you ever test any of the fuel??? maybe you should have then you would know for FACT

Um, it was tested every day, several times a day. If you didn't mean it's only military planes, then yes, you can go the the airport and purchase as much JP-8 as you would like. (hint- it's how private planes make their engines go vroom)

Please let us know what the results are when you have it tested.

Originally posted by Painfulhead
reply to post by network dude

 

you missed the sarcasm, no one will talk about this seriously I knew that, thats why its there.
and its a thread about chems in video games how serious could i be. its kind of just odd.

Based on some of the chemtrail theories out there, this is a very sane approach to the discussion. (IMHO)
Find the one about the alien holograms making trails.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by profundus

 

But since you "get how it works" maybe you could calculate the amount of power necessary to do what is described in that nonsensical word soup article. Seems like that's a lot of air to warm up.

It's not only the air you have to heat up but also the water vapor it carries, And the energy needed can be calculated, although it takes knowledge (and acceptance) of some scientific facts. And some math skills, which are usually taught right along with grammar in school. Sandy had a diameter of 1500 km, if you use the area of 60 knot winds. And the average height of the storm was about 9 km. So you have a volume of air of 560,350 cubic kilometers. The specific heat of dry air (we can use since we'll figure the moisture later) is almost exactly 1kJ/kgC. The typical tropical cyclone has an average temp of 30C, a rise of 10C from normal ambient. The weight (sorry, mass) of air at 1 bar pressure is 1.2 kg/ per cubic meter so you have to warm up 4.2 X 10^9 kilograms of air. That would take 4,200,000,000 kilojoules per degree, or 42,000,000,000 kJ total.
Saturated air at 1 bar and 30C carries 2kg/100 cubic meters of water vapor. If you do the math, that means there is a mass of roughly 10 million kilograms of water vapor to heat With a specific heat of water vapor of just about 2 kJ/kgC (1.864 to be exact) you need another 200 million kJ for the water.
Now where could one find 42.2 billion kilojoules to do the work? That is a billion BTU. For comparison, that'swhat you get from 2 and a half billion tons of TNT. That's two hundred thousand Hiroshima bombs. You can't get it from a 3.6 megawatt HF transmitter 4000 mile away, even if it could be aimed at the surface. You can get it from the sun incessantly irradiating the oceans with 1000 Watts/ square meter during daylight. 1 gallon of seawater can easily warm 4 cubic meters of air the necessary 10C.

reply to post by Painfulhead


As a homemaker, I know that "chemtrails" are so far over your head that you cannot tell the conditions are right until you see a cirrus cloud or contrail. When you see cirrus clouds, you will most likely see contrails. When cirrus clouds persist, so will contrails. When the upper atmosphere is clear, you will not see cirrus clouds and will most likely not see contrails. When cirrus clouds drift into a drier portion of the atmosphere and start to sublime, so will contrail.
Unless you want to look up the meteorological soundings. But then, if they haven't been released into the same area, that might not help.
I have observed all of the above scenarios. I have looked at the soundings for my area, taken during the time of my sky watching. I have identified the planes I was seeing, almost real-time.
Have you?

reply to post by F4guy

It's not only the air you have to heat up but also the water vapor it carries, And the energy needed can be calculated, although it takes knowledge (and acceptance) of some scientific facts.

Yeah, I know.
But that stupid word soup article said all you need to do is heat the air and I sort of figured I wouldn't get any response to even that part of it either.

Nice job though. Can you convert to nuclear generators?

reply to post by Painfulhead

I would say, instead of trying to argue on a conspiracy forum why developers would add something so ridiculously unimportant to a video game, why not just email them and ask them directly?

They will respond. I've emailed the CoD devs before.

Originally posted by Painfulhead
its a thread about chems in video games

I think you meant "cons" as in contrails in video games. Considering there's no such word as "chemtrails", nor is there any evidence either circumstantial or scientific to suggest such a word could exist. It also says alot about a person's intellect and credibility when they deliberately replace the proper word "contrails" with a word that not only doesn't exist, but has no real meaning behind it.

Originally posted by NONPOINT21

I know a way that could possibly sway some votes, does anyone have pictures of their cities skies on 9/11 when aviation was shut down. Now if there were contrails after lets say 11am or later then we now know that they weren't considered commercial aircraft and were doing the job they are tasked to do. Now if someone produced pictures on contrails on 9/11 at say 1pm what would you say to that?? I'm sure you can come up with a good excuse.

Oh, but there were contrails that day. Because there were a few planes, fighters were flying extensively, making sure that the commercial planes were following orders and that there were no more terrorists in the sky.
Why would you question that? Isn't that what you would expect given the situation?
And the next day, when there was no commercial flights at all, there were a group of fighters that flew. They made contrails, which lasted for hours and spread for hundreds of miles. The study is quite fascinating. Here's a link:

Contrail Studies during the 2001 Aircraft Shutdown
It's a .pdf. The exact measures of both persistence and spread are on page 4 of the study, first complete paragraph.
And there are more studies. If you Bing (sorry but I have Win8 and it is standard), there are 340,000 hits. Of course there are duplications in this, but even if only 1% were unique, that is still a lot of studies.

Originally posted by profundus

Science involves lots of TESTING; and testing requires real life scenarios and guinea pigs.

Science does the testing all the time. Each city has a water and air quality unit that tests many times every single day. So do counties, states, schools, universities, commercial airlines, and people who have a commercial interest in air and water quality.
So in your world, all these people...which would account for thousands of different individuals at thousands of different places.....all get together and skew their testing to cover-up the_________(insert favorite "chemtrail" agent here) reading is out of norm and a cause for concern?

Explain the logistics of that.

Originally posted by SPECULUM

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by SPECULUM

 

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The contents of JP is very tightly controlled, tested, and filtered. No aviation operator is going to allow anyone to be running that sort of crap through their expensive, highly maintained, jet engines.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Thats BULL SHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST and you know it, just the anticoagulants and antifreezes alone are deadly toxic

Sorry, but in order to make this claim you need to research something called "Dilution rate".
The amount of additive is quite small:

Aviation fuel additives are compounds added to the fuel in very small quantities, usually measurable only in parts per million, to provide special or improved qualities. The quantity to be added and approval for its use in various grades of fuel is strictly controlled by the appropriate specifications

Source

Nice job though. Can you convert to nuclear generators?

Sure. A kilogram of pure U-235 can give you 7.2 x 10^13 joules. The Hiroshima bomb was 56 kilograms, but only of 80% enriched U-235 You can also do a conversion based on wattage output. The typical nuclear plant puts out about a gigawatt. That's a million joules/second. That produces about 6,500,000 kg of steam per hour to drive the turbine generators. BTW, Sandy generated 140 terajoules of energy. [For those who slept through Intro Physics in college, a joule is the energy or work expended to pass an electric current of one ampere through a resistance of one ohm for one second or in applying a force of 1 newton for a distance of 1 meter.]