Another one! Beyonce' admits to being demon possessed.

Originally posted by SpearMint


So original thought is making anything up and claiming it's true?

Nope.

You expect sceptics to say "we'll believe you this time since we didn't last time, why not throw big foot in the mix too!"?

Nope. But your condescension is duly noted.

You bear the burden of proof, not me, you are the one making the claim. You have done nothing to prove your side.

Not if you are making a positive claim yourself. If you want to claim that she's just making it up or acting, then prove it. Simple and plain. If you refuse then stop wasting my time.

And actually my side is based on what she said. Yes I take it literal because there's nothing to illustrate otherwise. Do you have anything that refutes that she meant it literally? Anything to indicate a metaphor? No? Didn't think so. None of you have anything to support your position that she's using a metaphor or acting. At least I have her words which lend credence to my view that she's possessed by something.

Oh and in your previous post I missed where you threw in that lame "Burning witches" crap that someone tried to bring up on the other thread. No one is calling for burning witches and I've never condoned or suggested anything like that. For you to even try to put that on me is nothing but pathetic.

Guess I'll have to add you to the list of people whom engaging is pointless with the personal attacks and accusations that you are willing to stoop to and therefore ignore you.

reply to post by gladtobehere


Believe it or not, in that dance routine I see some influence of movements used in professional rhythm mambo, which is taken from afro-cuban dance models. I see the african dance model, and it's combined with more contemporary stuff that all the young people are using...the side to side head movements which are very unnatural and geez talk about whiplash....and some of the ugly, sharp movements characterized by the Britney Spears generation...then there's that nutty sado-masochistic butt slapping thing...incredibly ugly and vulgar as a dance move.

Even this young dancer has more class and finesse in my opinion

ok well maybe this link will work better
www.youtube.com...

ok here's real professional mambo championship that Beyonce may be trying to channel..I saw their performance live actually, though I saw them in Miami and this looks like the Ohio Star Ball where PBS does their shows.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

No, it's also the message. There are different spirits. There are good ones and there are evil ones.

You're do'in well for a rookie to these parts Laz. I'm impressed. Keep 'em in line.

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

Originally posted by SaturnFX
It was suggested that basically a person possessed or whatever can't sing praises to god such as pie jesu, o mio me babbino, etc...yet she does..

Um, no that wasn't suggested. If you are talking about what I said you completely misrepresented what I said. So I'd like you to show me where I said a person possessed cannot sing praises to God? I said you can tell a tree by its fruit. That means you can tell what kind of spirit is possessing a person. If a girl is singing praises to God and she said it feels like something entered her body, then clearly that's the Holy Spirit.

erm...right

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
-snipped stuff-
She is praising the Most High with her music. Beyonce is not! So if anything this little girl is touched by an angel or the Ru'ach ha'Kodesh (Holy Spirit).
-snipped random bible quotes-
A demon wouldn't possess someone to sing praises to the Most High. Nuff said. Better luck next time.

Seems like if there is any miscommunication, it is coming from you.

Behold the beast...

Wonder what she is singing about.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

 

No, it's also the message. There are different spirits. There are good ones and there are evil ones.

You're do'in well for a rookie to these parts Laz. I'm impressed. Keep 'em in line.

Frankly, I didn't even think that part was worth responding to...
good witch and bad witch...if you sing stuff I like..good witch..else, bad witch.

Pretty sure all of country music is satanic...because it gives my brain a painful feeling when hearing it

reply to post by CranialSponge


Haha, ok that was funny, but as a musician I can tell you that is probably the farthest thing from the truth...for the most part.
Yes, they did have "demonic" and "evil" themes and stage sets but it was all for show and their topic matter wasn't garbage like todays music and didn't include heavy occult symbolism. I know where you were coming from though

Ozzy was all about the secrets of creation and the universe, esoteric beliefs and freewill...I sound like a hippy.
Here's a great example and one of my favs from Sabbath,

Sabbath, Symptom of the Universe

"Symptom Of The Universe"

Take me through the centuries to supersonic years
Electrifying enemy is drowning in his tears
All I have to give you is a love that never dies
The symptom of the universe is written in your eyes

Mother Goose is calling me back to her silver womb
Father of creation takes me from my stolen tomb
Seventh night the unicorn is waiting in the skies
A symptom of the universe, a love that never dies

Take my hand, my child of love come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean I've been crying all these years
When our love will ride away into eternal skies
A symptom of the universe, a love that never dies

Oh my child of love's creation, come and step inside my dreams
In your eyes I see no sadness, you are all that loving means
Take my hand and we'll go riding through the sunshine from above
We'll find happiness together in the summer skies of love

Okay...

Just for argument's sake, let's say that these musicians actually are demon possessed and devil worshipers rather than just simply reinventing themselves with stage persona and the magic of makeup to get the "wow" factor out of audiences...

... Now what ?

Originally posted by SaturnFX


erm...right

Figures that's all you got.

Seems like if there is any miscommunication, it is coming from you.

Not in the least bit. I'm not miscommunicating at all. I said "A demon wouldn't possess someone to sing praises to the Most High"

Not sure how that's a miscommunication. Clearly Beyonce is in control at times and other times Sasha Fierce takes over (like when she performs her lewd and demonic music). She was raised in the church, but unfortunately she has given herself over to these demons. When she's singing Silent Night, clearly she's not possessed at that time. Her possession isn't all the time.

I guess you aren't familiar with demon possession and how the demon isn't present at all times. Furthermore this could be nothing more than a PR move at "Christmas" time (a pagan holiday, by the way).

You're getting desperate.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


Anyhow, Enjoy your thread. I am popping out for the night. Been fun debating with you. I look forward to future discussions. I quite enjoy a good religious debate...breaks up the political grumpfest...and something to do while I wait for a quality alien thread anyhow


-former heavily religious catholic btw.-

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

Originally posted by SpearMint


So original thought is making anything up and claiming it's true?

Nope.

You expect sceptics to say "we'll believe you this time since we didn't last time, why not throw big foot in the mix too!"?

Nope. But your condescension is duly noted.

You bear the burden of proof, not me, you are the one making the claim. You have done nothing to prove your side.

Not if you are making a positive claim yourself. If you want to claim that she's just making it up or acting, then prove it. Simple and plain. If you refuse then stop wasting my time.

And actually my side is based on what she said. Yes I take it literal because there's nothing to illustrate otherwise. Do you have anything that refutes that she meant it literally? Anything to indicate a metaphor? No? Didn't think so. None of you have anything to support your position that she's using a metaphor or acting. At least I have her words which lend credence to my view that she's possessed by something.

Oh and in your previous post I missed where you threw in that lame "Burning witches" crap that someone tried to bring up on the other thread. No one is calling for burning witches and I've never condoned or suggested anything like that. For you to even try to put that on me is nothing but pathetic.

Guess I'll have to add you to the list of people whom engaging is pointless with the personal attacks and accusations that you are willing to stoop to and therefore ignore you.

edit on 28-2-2013 by LazarusTsiyr because: (no reason given)

You don't have anything to support that she's possessed. In fact, you don't have anything to support the existence of demons. Both of our sides are based on what she has said, only yours involves jumping to a far fetched conclusion and mine involves rational thinking.

Now, since your claim involves the existence of a being not yet proven to exist, and is not what the vast majority perceives and accepts to be true, it is you that bears the burden of proof.

"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. "If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed"."

YOU are the only one making a claim, I am not, I'm just telling you that your claim is wrong, and you've tried to shift the burden to me. So prove it.

Originally posted by CranialSponge
Okay...

Just for argument's sake, let's say that these musicians actually are demon possessed and devil worshipers rather than just simply reinventing themselves with stage persona and the magic of makeup to get the "wow" factor out of audiences...

... Now what ?

We continue to expose what's going on, especially to the youth and younger adults who are influenced by them. We show them the truth so that they are no longer fooled by these pawns of Satan.

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

Originally posted by CranialSponge
Okay...

Just for argument's sake, let's say that these musicians actually are demon possessed and devil worshipers rather than just simply reinventing themselves with stage persona and the magic of makeup to get the "wow" factor out of audiences...

... Now what ?

We continue to expose what's going on, especially to the youth and younger adults who are influenced by them. We show them the truth so that they are no longer fooled by these pawns of Satan.

Fooled into what ?

Originally posted by SpearMint


You don't have anything to support that she's possessed.

Actually, I do. I have her words and the logic that whatever is possessing her or "entering" her is not a positive spirit.

What do you have to prove that she was speaking metaphorically or just making it up?

In fact, you don't have anything to support the existence of demons.

Already addressed previously. Gosh, I hate repeating myself. I never said I had evidence supporting the existence of demons, offhand.

Still doesn't change her words. Do you have anything to support that she was just making it up or was speaking metaphorically? Has she ever said that?

Both of our sides are based on what she has said,

Um, no yours isn't. She didn't say anything about it being a joke, invented persona, or metaphor.

only yours involves jumping to a far fetched conclusion and mine involves rational thinking.

Nope.

Now, since your claim involves the existence of a being not yet proven to exist, and is not what the vast major perceives and accepts to be true,

Are you claiming the majority of humans on Earth do not believe in demons?

it is you that bears the burden of proof.

Wrong. If you are positively claiming that she is making it up or using a metaphor then the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim. It has nothing to do with my claim. My claim is based on an interpretation of her words as literal and the lack of evidence that she was speaking metaphorically.

"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim.

I'm aware. And you positively claim she is making it up or using a metaphor.

YOU are the only one making a claim, I am not, I'm just telling you that your claim is wrong. So prove it.

Not true. Many of you neo-internet skeptics on these threads have claimed that her words were not literal or were a metaphor or just a persona she invented for publicity. If you claim any of these things it's your burden to prove them.

I've presented my reasoning and evidence for thinking what I think. I'll say it one last time since you guys can't seem to grasp it and I have to keep repeating myself: She said the words, there's nothing to indicate it was a metaphor or that she is faking. Add that to the Occult symbolism she uses. Demon possession.

This explains why her music seems to have strong subliminal capabilities. Something in the timing always seems to be slightly off by a fraction and her voice has a certain tone that pierces something that shouldn't be pierced.
Her music is stressful to listen to

reply to post by ArchaicDesigns


Yup, that's a great song from Sabbath... but my fav from them has to be Sweet Leaf.

Ahhh, the days of rebellion youth....

I think you might have missed the sarcasm in my post, but that's okay.
It's all good.

Originally posted by CranialSponge


Fooled into what ?

Into being brainwashed. Fooled into emulating these "entertainers" and the Satanic and Occult symbolism they present. Fooled when the Antichrist comes on the scene. See all this is doing is getting people familiar and comfortable with all of these Satanic symbols for when the Antichrist takes power. If they are familiar with it it'll be less shocking when it all goes down.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Pretty sure all of country music is satanic.

I can tell of only one mega group that I believe didn't sell their souls. And the evidence of that in my view. Is the fact that their record company, left them penny less of any profits or royalties other than their live performances.

These guys made it on raw talent. But were hardly even compensated.

reply to post by ArchaicDesigns


Thanks, AD!!

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


You don't have her words, because she hasn't said she's possessed by demons. Yes I think most people on Earth do not believe in demons, certainly the people that are mentally in the 21st century. Even if they did, just because something is a popular opinion doesn't mean it's true.

If you think you're not the one making claims and you do not bear the burden of proof then I'm speechless, that sums you up really. It's no wonder why people like you aren't taken seriously. You've done nothing to prove your point. You've heard what she said, jumped to a conclusion that defies logic and told everybody that doesn't believe you that they're wrong, whilst shaking off the burden of proof.

It's probably best to start by proving demons exist.