Another one! Beyonce' admits to being demon possessed.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


The video stated that Jesus Christ created me. Yes, I watched the whole thing. My comment was on topic.

reply to post by SaturnFX


It's not bearing false witness considering I said no such thing. You should stop that straw man fallacy thing you're doing.

She is praising the Most High with her music. Beyonce is not! So if anything this little girl is touched by an angel or the Ru'ach ha'Kodesh (Holy Spirit).

22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.23All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?”24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?27“If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.28“But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.29“Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

- Matthew 12

A demon wouldn't possess someone to sing praises to the Most High. Nuff said. Better luck next time.

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Thanks a lot, man. I'd like to see any videos/threads you got along this same topic

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
A demon wouldn't possess someone to sing praises to the Most High. Nuff said. Better luck next time.

And yet, her idol is Lady Gaga...go figure.



Demons in the cornflakes!


Your world is scary. I prefer mine where people are simply talented singers and no angels or demons are involved..just trained voices and a flare for the dramatic in performance.

reply to post by SaturnFX


OK well hate to do it but her saying her favorite singer is Lady Gaga is not the same as her saying that's her idol. It's really not.

That being said, hopefully she will get away from that crap and not be influenced by it as she gets older. It's bad enough she's subjecting herself to that subliminal messaging.

And with all due respect it really doesn't matter what world you prefer. Reality is reality.

And again Beyonce never said it was a flare for the dramatic. She wasn't performing, she was giving an interview. And in that interview she describes being overcome by this outside entity which she had never experienced before. She did nothing to indicate it was a metaphor or she was making the whole experience up.

Lastly it's kind of pathetic to try and use a little girl to try and debunk my claim or to use it to manipulate me to back off from my post. It's kind of a cheap shot. Why people always have to use kids is beyond me.

Your videos change nothing regarding my OP.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


"When Beyonce' is on stage "Sasha comes out" and "she's fearless." This also mirrors what Nicki said about Roman, that he is fearless. "

Holy #, it's just like Suckerpunch!

She is obviously an MK-d slave, and her alternate personality comes out on stage.


Educate yourself!

vigilantcitizen.com...

What bothers me is that this argument reduces things to two groups:

1. People who know about all this occult symbolism and use it in practice of the occult.
2. People who know about all this occult symbolism and use it to identify practitioners of the occult.

It can never allow that there might be a third group:

3. People who know about all this occult symbolism (because the information is obviously widely available) and appropriate it in others way.

You can argue that appropriating it for use in any way is practice of the occult, but that's not how symbols work. Symbols are meaningless without context (hold on, I know you're ready to jump on that). Think of any symbol (non-occult, for right now), stop sign, no smoking, whatever. Now, if I wear that symbol on a shirt, your brain will still process the meaning of it, but the symbol has no power. You don't have to stop and you can smoke if you want to.

Now, let's take a symbol that has power in any context: the swastika (I know the swastika is an ancient symbol with varied meanings, but that's kind of been ruined by the nazis). In the '70s the swastika was pretty big among the punk sub-culture. You'd see it on a lot of clothing, the bands would wear them. Were they nazis or racists? Maybe some of them, but a lot of it was about the shock value and being transgressive. The point is, just because someone wears something doesn't mean they support or practice the ideology of the symbol. People are capable of re-appropriating things without being under the sway of the actual meaning. The peace symbol is another good example of this.

And in truth, there's no proof that Jay-Z or Beyonce or any of them engage in any occult activity. Jay-Z certainly has knowledge of such things. He wears a "Do what thou wilt" hoodie, but again it's the ability to appropriate culture and information. Just as you're able to take the knowledge and use it your ends, Jay-Z is able to take it's imagery and make fashion out of it. And the diamond symbol, as much as people don't want to believe it, it is a hand sign for Roc-a-Fella Records. Hand signs are pretty big in street culture. Also, if the symbol was that important it would be the actual Roc-a-Fella logo.

Also, the symbols in that video are all over the place and completely discount the idea that someone might do something for style. Doesn't even consider it for a second. The multiple arms thing is clearly just a cool effect. It evokes imagery, but it's common imagery. And what the video calls a "gemini symbol." Who said it was a Gemini symbol? Why is that a more logical conclusion than that it's just a mirrored depiction of Beyonce in profile?

On another issue:

You said:

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

I don't have definitive proof and I never said I did. I said her words prove that she's saying she is possessed by something.

Firstly, it doesn't seem like she's ever said she's possessed by a demon. It's always "spirit" or "something." If we can't put forth that she's acting or speaking metaphorically without solid proof, you shouldn't be allowed to assume it's a demon. Unless, you can point to somewhere where she says demon specifically.

Secondly, your statement is correct. You're not saying you have proof, you're just saying what she said.

So, all we have are her words. No proof of anything. But you're pulling them in the direction of demonic possession, without proof. You can say that she's decked out in the regalia of the occult and we know that because practitioners of the occult have used those symbols before. But she's never said what the symbols mean to her, she's never said she practiced the occult. You deny metaphorical language and aspects, personal experience of performance, (I know that you don't describe things like she does and you might not feel the way she does, but a lot of people do) and performance techniques, because they're unsubstantiated for Beyonce personally. She's never said she's acting or speaking metaphorically (because how many people really do that?).

So, why do you do that? Why are you steadfastly denying one interpretation of her words for lacking proof, but buying into the assumption of demonic possession without proof of that. You're clearly on one side and you have a derision toward the thought of it being metaphorical.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


I'm a firm believer in demonic possession. The strong desire these people have for fame and material things is not normal and I don't doubt that they and their handlers worship Satan, Lucifer, Baphomet, and anything else that can supply them with their ultimate desires.

Bob Dylan also said that he sold his soul to the devil, but I think he's the only one who did this to acquire the fame and popularity necessary so he could speak out about wars. Sometimes, there is a method to the madness.

Originally posted by SaulGoodman

And in truth, there's no proof that Jay-Z or Beyonce or any of them engage in any occult activity. Jay-Z certainly has knowledge of such things. He wears a "Do what thou wilt" hoodie, but again it's the ability to appropriate culture and information. Just as you're able to take the knowledge and use it your ends, Jay-Z is able to take it's imagery and make fashion out of it

I've said numerous times it doesn't matter if they are all involved or not. They are still promoting the message and the symbolism and passing it onto the youth as "cool" which is dangerous! Basically the Illuminati and the future Antichrist are getting free publicity. It'll make it less shocking when they come out of the shadows.

And the diamond symbol, as much as people don't want to believe it, it is a hand sign for Roc-a-Fella Records. Hand signs are pretty big in street culture.

It is not! I came up on rap music in the 90s. It's all I listened to. I loved Jay-Z back then. The "diamond" symbol didn't show up until about the Dynasty album. Prior to that he never flashed it. His first few albums? Never flashed it. Why not? If it was the "Roc" symbol why wasn't it around prior to that? There's an album of MC Lyte's where she is flashing that symbol (over her eye) prior to Roc using it and she wasn't on Roc-A-Fella records. She was working with P. Diddy, another major player back then.

Also, if the symbol was that important it would be the actual Roc-a-Fella logo.

It didn't become affiliated with Roc-A-Fella until Jay-Z became big time and started working with the Illuminati. Notice how after he started doing that, he changed big time and started on a mega rush to success.

Also, the symbols in that video are all over the place and completely discount the idea that someone might do something for style.

And yet there's nothing saying that they do it for style.

Who said it was a Gemini symbol? Why is that a more logical conclusion than that it's just a mirrored depiction of Beyonce in profile?

Because it looks like the Gemini symbol? And it could be two Beyonce's (in the form of the Gemini symbol). It struck me as odd because the way it's laid out, it gives two all-seeing eyes.

Firstly, it doesn't seem like she's ever said she's possessed by a demon. It's always "spirit" or "something." If we can't put forth that she's acting or speaking metaphorically without solid proof, you shouldn't be allowed to assume it's a demon. Unless, you can point to somewhere where she says demon specifically.

Based on her performances and the symbolism she wears and promotes I don't see how it could be anything other than a demon. It surely isn't God! It's nothing positive. Her music is immoral and vulgar, as all of theirs are. The way she dresses? Yeah that's not the style of a God-fearing woman. Plain and simple.

What other kind of spirit could it be? I think I'm drawing a safe assumption. There's not one thing that remotely hints at a positive spirit.

So, all we have are her words. No proof of anything. But you're pulling them in the direction of demonic possession, without proof.

Her words, actions, and symbolism are proof enough.

But she's never said what the symbols mean to her, she's never said she practiced the occult.

Perhaps she should. Her symbolism is not positive, it's negative. It's demonic. It's Occultic. If she doesn't mean it that way then she should come out and clarify. She hasn't. Ever.

She's never said she's acting or speaking metaphorically (because how many people really do that?).

Um, they do if it's just a metaphor.

You're clearly on one side and you have a derision toward the thought of it being metaphorical.

Because there's nothing supporting that it's a metaphor.

Oh and for the record I have considered the other options. That she's doing it for publicity, but that makes no sense to me. And there's nothing to support that. The only other option I can see is that she's crazy/schizophrenic. But if I remember correctly, schizos aren't aware of their other personalities unless they are diagnosed/made aware of their condition.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Your world is scary. I prefer mine where people are simply talented singers and no angels or demons are involved..just trained voices and a flare for the dramatic in performance.

I know where that world is. The river of denial, runs right thru it. It's where even people of decadence can admit to everything unholy, thereby and at the same time, declaring the truth long written down. And people like you Saturn, pull the wool up over their own eyes. And scream themselves to sleep. See our world isn't even close to as scary as yours. Because you walk the valley alone. Very scared and very foolishly. Saturn.

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
For example

I am an actor
I was trained on how to be an actor by Juli-Ann Kay, Casting director for X-MEN and more

IMDB Page - www.imdb.com...

i can even dig out my certificate for graduating her classes.

the first thing i was taught, was to create multiple personalities, it makes you grow as an entertainer

and that's all it is, sorry dude

Interesting up till "that's all it is" --- you are only focussing on one aspect, nor does it excuse her antics and medium... You could think this way, if you chose to issolate the circumstances. However, Beyonce is not the only one who pushes this.... We're talking about almost every single one of these robotic-pop stars. Every damn one of them.

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Exactly, TC! This isn't an isolated incident.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

 

I just want to point out for the thousandth time that Baphomet is not a pagan deity worshiped by any culture around the world, but a perversion of Muhammad that was created by the Templar during the Inquisition to condemn heretics.

edit on 28-2-2013 by Openeye because: (no reason given)

Sigil of Baphomet, Church or Satan

The word “Baphomet” dates back to records of Templar trials, and there are ongoing discussions concerning its derivation and meaning. However, there is no clear evidence that the symbol which we in the Church of Satan call “Baphomet” is similarly derived; the evidence, if any, has not yet been released in any public forum.

The Baphomet Pentagram is the official, copyrighted symbol of the Church of Satan. Even though the origin is disputed, they always make mention of the Knights Templar in some way. The Knights Templar are the hightest order in the York Rite of Freemasonry.

reply to post by Kang69


Can't believe I forgot about this.

This is basically Niki and all the rest of the mind controlled popstars:

vigilantcitizen.com...

They even mention it and show it in their own music videos for christsakes:



vigilantcitizen.com...

VC gives a full run down on the video here.

People still can't comprehend Satan worshiping doesn't exist? What? Only Metal bands can worship Lucifer?

I would say out of all of this mind control gets sort of buried in these threads because of the references to Satanism. Mind Control we know exists and is still very much alive. Operation Paperclip dawned a new age of horrors. You still think MK-ULTRA exists? Even then, they don't even need it anymore, they have the television, and now, the internet.

This is actually starting to turn into a bad joke.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Your world is scary. I prefer mine where people are simply talented singers and no angels or demons are involved..just trained voices and a flare for the dramatic in performance.

I know where that world is. The river of denial, runs right thru it. It's where even people of decadence can admit to everything unholy, thereby and at the same time, declaring the truth long written down. And people like you Saturn, pull the wool up over their own eyes. And scream themselves to sleep. See our world isn't even close to as scary as yours. Because you walk the valley alone. Very scared and very foolishly. Saturn.

1) To declare something unholy, you must first accept something as holy...and by its simple nature, nothing is holy outside of concept and subjective value. There is no holy rock, or book, or symbol..that is manmade superstition as far as evidence as shown.
There has not been something broken that has unleashed a earthquake.

As far as wool over eyes...that's your opinion. I simply see things as presented. So far, I have no urge to start murdering people or worshipping anti-deities. Do you feel compelled to suddenly go satanic if you watch a music video? That doesn't say anything about the video..it says something about you though.

Principles are what guide people like me. Do harm to none as best you can type stuff..that tends to keep me calm and centered. In regards to candy or lashings in a afterlife...well, if there is an afterlife with judgemental deities, I will get whatever it is I deserve based on my life I imagine..but I can stand up with the knowledge I didn't bend in superstitious fear...rather, I did harm to none because its what I felt was the right thing to do. If a deity requires superstitious fear for obedience over honest disbelief, then its a small deity that is not worth my time. I cannot accept a universe like that. It goes against every fabric of what I know (and feel) to be the correct answer. I don't know the answer..but I do feel I somewhat know what is not the answer...and that..at least for me, is not it.

Do I "scream myself to sleep"? No. I reject fear of the unknown to my best ability.

Once I realized Santa Clause wasn't real..I didn't start acting like a brat. Wasn't my nature..and it made my mother sad when I did act up. That's all that was needed for me to try and be a "good boy"..not an imaginary man weighing my toys, but just wanting smiles over tears.
Perhaps then that is the true test of worth...can you shrug off Santa and still be a good kid? That would be an interesting test to give mortals.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

Because there's nothing supporting that it's a metaphor.

Than what pray tell qualifies as metaphorical to you then?

Does someone actually have to come out and say "metaphorically speaking" after they say that they feel like a different person on stage? Or is it not possible to deduce that someone is speaking in a metaphorical context when talking about something that is logically impossible, i.e. being possessed by spirits, unless of course you have scientific proof of demonic possession.

If all they have to do is deny they are possessed or a members of the Illuminati, well many have.

Jay Z denies Illuminati

Rhianna denies Illuminati

Kanye West Denies Illuminati

Could not find Beyonce though so maybe she is Illuminati since she has not publicly denied being part of the group

Originally posted by Kang69
I would say out of all of this mind control gets sort of buried in these threads because of the references to Satanism. Mind Control we know exists and is still very much alive. Operation Paperclip dawned a new age of horrors. You still think MK-ULTRA exists? Even then, they don't even need it anymore, they have the television, and now, the internet.

I accept this..its almost self evident.
Pop stars, celebs, etc are most certainly puppets to corporate globalists and the like whom twist, use, and finally discard them.
Stardom is a powerful tool to wield and what power interest wouldn't want them to be pushing their agenda, be it subtly or in full view.
But I don't think you need mind control in any heavy sense..greed and desire will do its job well enough on the pop star end, and envy will make their fans mirror the latest thing the stars are pushing forward. Is that mind control? Well...yes I guess..but that's been going on for quite a long time now. Has shaped entire civilizations (ours included).

Originally posted by Openeye

Does someone actually have to come out and say "metaphorically speaking" after they say that they feel like a different person on stage?

That's not what she said at all. She said she felt a presence come into her for the first time in her whole life! Sorry but she said it. You can't just ignore it or wish it away.

Or is it not possible to deduce that someone is speaking in a metaphorical context when talking about something that is logically impossible, i.e. being possessed by spirits, unless of course you have scientific proof of demonic possession.

It's not logically impossible. Just you proclaiming it as such doesn't make it so. You only think she's speaking in a metaphorical context because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of demons. You think everyone throughout history who has ever been possessed is suffering from some form of mental illness or just made it up.

If all they have to do is deny they are possessed or a members of the Illuminati, well many have.

No, that's not all they have to do. Anyone can say anything. Of course they won't just own up to it. They deny it yet they keep doing the symbolism and filling their music and videos with Satanic references and Illuminati imagery.

I was asleep for a long time. I won't go back.

Could not find Beyonce though so maybe she is Illuminati since she has not publicly denied being part of the group

This is the problem with you naysayers. You are all arrogant and condescending. Just because you don't believe in it gives you no right to act like an arrogant ass. Seriously.

You bring up three examples out of numerous and think you've proved it's not real? Perhaps it's my turn to laugh at you.

reply to post by ArchaicDesigns


So is the Illuminati part of the Church of Satan? Because the Church of Satan does not worship any God or any Devil.

Even though the origin is disputed, they always make mention of the Knights Templar in some way. The Knights Templar are the hightest order in the York Rite of Freemasonry.

Despite your assertion of them being Freemasons, that does not change the fact that they killed people during the Inquisition for believing in Baphomet.

So your asserting that they worshiped Baphomet. Yet history shows that they killed (in the name of the Church) people that they accused of worshiping Baphomet . How does this make sense?