Will our soldiers defend a tyrannical government?

(Talking about U.S here)

I've been hearing a lot about the 2nd amendment recently and the arguments since that Sandy Hook incident for about 3 months now. It's always the same deal, that we need guns to protect ourselves against a "tyrannical government" and such.

One thing that has been bothering me is this, don't you need soldiers for a tyrannical government to work? I find it hard to believe that U.S soldiers, most of them raised by the concept of freedom and democracy and will admit proudly that they defend those rights, will all the suddenly go against all of that and suddenly defend a tyrannical government just because their generals told them too.

Like, I can't see the 2nd amendment being repealed and the government ordering soldiers to barge into any random house to make sure people don't have hidden weapons in their possession, without some backlash from the soldiers themselves. I mean, soldiers aren't robots. They have some sort of morality, atleast for the people from their own country.

Or am I wrong? Will soldiers just blindly accept orders and that they're just mindless killing drones?

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


To answer your question, most likely the majority of them will do as they are told......My answer is based on a scientific experiment which I posted below. You will be surprised at what people will do, when told by someone of an authority figure...

A lot of times the Gov will lie to the troops and make them believe the enemy is a real threat.

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


I will take a stance against Seeker. I don't think so. If such a order were given, there would definitely be dissention within the ranks.

I think that it would be the beginning of the next civil war.

You really can't have a civil war until those within the military start to take sides.

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy

One thing that has been bothering me is this, don't you need soldiers for a tyrannical government to work?

Yes, as well as agencies like the DEA and ATF to handle more subtle domestic issues.
For example, if you choose not to pay your unconstitutional (unapportioned) income tax, the IRS will eventually have armed men at your door.

Will soldiers just blindly accept orders and that they're just mindless killing drones?

That's the only kind of soldier that any government wants.

reply to post by TDawgRex


I would like to think you are right.

The issue is very complex if you throw into the mix a crashed economy, shortages of food, loss of freedoms etc etc.....

Not to mention, that the cognitive dissonance involved with our country crashing will send many people off the deep end..

Scary times.........

When you throw in all of the variables along with the current propaganda, the issue isn't as black and white as we would all like to think it is.

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


Normally, I would say no. Soldiers would not defend a tyrannical government.

But a tyrannical government would realize this.

So you have to ask yourself, what kind of situation would have to exist where soldiers are forced to defend their government?

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


I have to argree full on with Seeker (he's right on the reason too). . .Sorry Rex.

The scary thing is that it is a well known psychological tenet, proved through history and experiments like Milgram and Stanford Prison Experiment, that gov employed soldiers will do as they are told. If you ask them individually, they will say "No way" to turning a gun on their neighbors/countrymen . . . Unforturnately, as a group they will when the time comes. No one will admit and may even think they never would, as that would mean admitting that they are some sort of monster. But, the proof is in the puddin', as they say.

Please take the time to watch the following doc on the subject . . . it explains the psych manipulation that has to take place for it to happen, but if followed . . . they will kill indiscriminately.



There is the reason the gov is outgrouping those that don't comply or dissent . . . that is step 1. From there, it is about dehumanization . . . that is why you hear words like "crazy" "stupid" and "domestic terrorist" bandied about. Once "they" are seen as inferior, "they" cease to be our "brothers".

More examples of this current march towards tyranny:
West Point Center on Terrorism

The report says there were 350 “attacks initiated by far-right groups/individuals” in 2011.

ETA - Do you remember 350 "right-wing terrorist attacks" on the US in 2011 . . . I sure don't!!

History has taught us that they will. At least, to begin with. Things will get far worse before they get better.If they ever do.

It's happened before, albeit national guard, at Kent State.

Waco was FBI and ATF, with a few military. I met one of the FBI agents who was involved in Waco and his attitude was entirely indifferent about the implications of unconstitutional action exhibit at the event. He actually seemed to have contempt for the members of the compound. This event was essentially duplicated with Dorner at Big Bear. Although Dorner had been targeted as an agressive, dangerous person, the methods used to stop him were barbaric to say the least.

I would hope that the majority of members of our military forces would be able to see the ruse put on by the federal government, but I'm not convinced. The federal government has demonized constitutional thinkers who want to limit federal government to their granted authority. They have used 'divide and conquer' tactics for quite some time now not to mention psyops tactics and control of MSM. Anybody who's taken a hard stand against unconstitutional action by the fed has been painted as fringe and the incidents are handled in small isolated cases, where the feds can use bureau goons (FBI, ATF, IRS, etc.) without having to blatantly violate posse comitatus and call in the big guns. Posse comitatus may be why they're bolstering the DHS as opposed to more outright moves to bring federal military action into domestic situations.

It depends on the situation, but I think I can anticipate the way it would work, and roughly what the result would be, because I've had a pretty wide sampling of how people who don't mean any harm end up helping keep the system broken, including in the Marine Corps and private security industry.

I think American troops will defend a tyrannical government as long as they don't understand it and there's a straight forward way for more over half of the people to live conveniently (They'll get used to eating steak made out of sewer bacteria once McDonald's perfects the product, losing their cars, and the end of social mobility, but they've got to be able to buy convenient solutions for most daily discomforts). We Americans are like dogs- you can do whatever you want to us as long as you fill up the food and water dish and let us know what to expect.

It would make perfect sense to me if what ended up happening in this country is a permanent 10-20% homeless rate and up to 40% unemployment rate with very few remaining social programs, no food and drug safety, no public schools, a 5 fold increase in the prison population, record corporate profits, and an unofficial class system composed by a plurality of 8,000 dollar a year people, a minority of 40,000 dollar a year people, and an elite 250,000 a year people... then of course you'll still have the rich doing better than ever before.

What would I expect to happen in that kind of an America? I think NORTHCOM would assist police to enthusiastically crush rioters, spy on dissidents, and bust gangs (from their perspective... to the people it would look more like randomly killing the poor so they can't get organized enough to achieve any kind of power).

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


As I posted in another thread, soldiers, Marines and airmen are not mindless drones...they have families to think about. I think the question should be, "would a soldier be willing to sacrifice his family to fight against a tryannical government?"

Not sure how many people (civilian and soldier) would be willing to make this sacrifice?

Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by ItsAConspiracy

 

As I posted in another thread, soldiers, Marines and airmen are not mindless drones...they have families to think about. I think the question should be, "would a soldier be willing to sacrifice his family to fight against a tryannical government?"

Not sure how many people (civilian and soldier) would be willing to make this sacrifice?

I agree wholeheartedly, except a lot of what ends up happening will be based on perception. Perception will be based on the information fed to the troops and the public. Information is a powerful thing, and disinformation capitalizes on that.

reply to post by seeker1963


I would have to disagree with you on this one. There has been an awakening since that study was done. Words and actions by current and decommissioned service members in recent times has demonstrated this. Have faith in our warriors, for they have faith in humanity!

reply to post by ItsAConspiracy


As a retired Air Force SNCO I really have to believe the answer is "no"... I really can't speak for the newest generation of junior Officers/Enlisted but I can say that my generation, the Senior NCOs and the senior combat experienced officers will flatly say no. We take our oaths of comission/enlistment quite seriously. I have had many private conversations with with my peers and commanders, and those talks centered around this subject. No matter what your military rank, you are a citizen first and foremost... protect and defend the constitution at any cost. I have also witnessed many promising young officers and NCOs being put out of the AF on their a$$e$ because they badmouthed the current monarchy. The ONLY love for this administration from the military comes out of the Pentagon... ask the guys/gals that are in the REAL military what they think of Obama/Sotero...

reply to post by madmac5150

ask the guys/gals that are in the REAL military what they think of Obama/Sotero...

I think I know what you mean. I believe many who have stayed in the military are there for the express purpose of keeping this administration and it's benefactors in check.

reply to post by ajay59


It's not about faith . . . To a man, everyone will say "No way".

However, Serb/Croatia and Rwanda prove otherwise, recently . . . and human psych is human psych . . . regardless of nationality, we operate the same.

Also . . . do you remember Abu Ghraib?

reply to post by solomons path

Also . . . do you remember Abu Gharib?

Yet again I have to say this...
Awareness post dates. Though the awakening has been developing over recent years, there has been a far greater increase in the last couple of years. Mankind is finally really becoming "self" aware!

Yes they will defend a tyrannical Gov because that is what they are trained to do...They will be told it is the best for the "country" and they must carry out their orders for the good of the people.

It's easy to isolate a group ...it's been done for centuries.

Point out their shortcomings. Mock their values and beliefs. Find fault in their lifestyle. Blame them for the problems of everyone else. It won't take long till you have then devalued them...and once they are "less than human" it's a simple pull of the trigger.

"Those crazy conspiracy theorists not trusting the Gov...it's their fault our country is so divided"...

For a tyrannical government to take power in the US the military is the only force that could put them their to begin with.