DOJ Memo: Outlaw and Confiscate All Guns

reply to post by Darkphoenix77
well if you know you US history the did make booze of any kind illegal, for a time 1920 -- 1933, any one that made or sold it was in for trouble, all it did was make any one who consumed it an out law, any one making it a felon.

It did not stop it and this will not stop gun selling, making, or buying only make it more expensive to do so. with some tools, and know how,you too can make an AK in your basement or garage, get a reloaded kit and powder and you too can make ammo.
where there is a demand, there will be a way of getting it.

Originally posted by nomnom
I'm sorry, but any talk of gun banning is ridiculous. I don't care if a think tank speaks of it as a possibility. Any real attempt to confiscate all guns in the US would simply lead to anarchy, civil war, or a revolution.

Nobody with half a brain would attempt it in the US for at least a generation yet. You have to sufficiently brainwash a generation to completely trash the previous beliefs and ideals. Too many US citizens own guns, and won't let them be taken away without putting up a fight.

I think this stuff is simply an attempt to gauge public support/interest/disinterest after even discussing the possibility. It's good that people are saying "hell no", (IMO) but lets not actually entertain this as a real goal for the near future. It would be absurd to think the government would seriously try this anytime soon on a national level.

So it is ok if they try this 20, 50 or 100 years from now? I think the economy is planned to collapse much sooner than that and that is why we have more and more school shootings. The ptb have made gun bannings in america a priority.

The police is starting to resemble the military with apc, mini-drones by the hundreds, hoarding ammo, etc.

The federal Government will do this to us in a heartbeat. If you register your guns with the Feds, then they know were to go to find you when the time comes. If your willing to trust the Feds, your in for a massive shock. They are as evil as everyone says they are, but then again, they are as evil as any other government on this planet too. Next, they'll be wanting to make sure all the Veterans are 'registered' (Because they consider them domestic terrorists!, of course, they forgot that the term Veteran means serving on active duty for 180 days or more!) so they know where to find all of them when the time comes. Fortunately for everyone involved, it is the Feds, so incompetence by THEM will win the day for US. And if you think the military won't go door to door to take those guns, guess again. Remember a little storm called Katrina ? Another thing, the term 'register' is a term used by the military regarding 'targeting'. You register targets that don't know they're going to be targets until you shoot them.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
So it is ok if they try this 20, 50 or 100 years from now?

You can't undo a technology without collapsing civilization first. I don't think it's reasonable to ever confiscate all guns, rather to enlighten people as to their proper use, function, storage, and maintenance. I think it's ideal if one day we don't find much use for guns, in government, military, or civilians usage, but that's a completely different world than we have now. Not sure how much time must pass before something like that could reasonably be expected. Too much work to be done.

In the meantime, further technologies will make the average gun effectively obsolete. So the point of such a question is moot. The fact remains that trying to violently revolt by use of guns from the people, is just as idiotic as trying to remove all guns by the authorities. It just leads to needless chaos, and bloodshed.

I think the economy is planned to collapse much sooner than that and that is why we have more and more school shootings. The ptb have made gun bannings in america a priority.

Pretty sure it's mostly a game of damage control out there. We're past the point of trying to be proactive, and solving future problems today. Now it's people flipping out, and making bizarre moves. Some of that manifests as hardcore shenanigans, while others are simply making foolish, desperate moves to try and keep the ship afloat. I don't doubt that some ptb want gun bannings in the US, but after gauging the public's reaction, they're having to back off. Despite what many people on this site believe, they're not complete idiots.

The police is starting to resemble the military with apc, mini-drones by the hundreds, hoarding ammo, etc.

Very true. This is part of the damage control I'm speaking about. Everyone with a handle on how messy the system is, fears losing control, and is making desperate decisions to try and ensure anarchy doesn't ensue. Sucks. Everyone believes they're in the right, no matter which angle they view it from, or side they hold allegiance to.

so did anyone pick up on the fact this isn't a DOJ memo, and it doesn't state the policy should be to outlaw and confiscate all guns ?

conspiracy enthusaists always fall down on credibility with these threads

any time you see something that fits your worldview, you don't question it

FAIL

reply to post by syrinx high priest


Be sure to read the whole thread before replying. Posts have already confirmed what you said. Not everyone is jumping on the, "OMGZ, they're after all our guns right now!!" BS.

The first gun grab, that the FED's imposed took place in the 30's, the next one is just around the corner, AR are just the next step in disarming the populace, next it will, be any hand gun or rifle that holds more than 2 shots, all hand guns and most rifles do this what would be left derringers, Dbl shot guns, single shot rifles, this does not infringe on your right to own a firearm, nor does it impede on the second. you just can not own sell buy certain types of firearms , unless you pay a tax and fill out a mountain of forms , just as today with owning a full auto. ie BARS, Tommy 45, Mg42.

The first gun grab, that the FED's imposed took place in the 30's, the next one is just around the corner, AR are just the next step in disarming the populace, next it will, be any hand gun or rifle that holds more than 2 shots, all hand guns and most rifles do this what would be left derringers, Dbl shot guns, single shot rifles, this does not infringe on your right to own a firearm, nor does it impede on the second. you just can not own sell buy certain types of firearms , unless you pay a tax and fill out a mountain of forms , just as today with owning a full auto. ie BARS, Tommy 45, Mg42.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Even though I am skeptical of everything on infowars, I will say that I've seen enough to think that the ultimate goal is to confiscate most, if not all, weapons.

The question that keeps popping up in my head, though, is this: Why?

That's the 64 million dollar question. Why now?

I will add to that.
Why are there yards of FEMA coffins placed in remote areas of the country
Why did FEMA propose bill HR6566 ordering preparation for mass deaths
Why did DHS buy 7000 FULL AUTO M1s and equipt with hollow points
Why did DHS buy so much ammo? to short the market?? maybe,. still concerned

there are lots of whys my friend

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

well if you know you US history the did make booze of any kind illegal, for a time 1920 -- 1933, any one that made or sold it was in for trouble, all it did was make any one who consumed it an out law, any one making it a felon.

It did not stop it and this will not stop gun selling, making, or buying only make it more expensive to do so. with some tools, and know how,you too can make an AK in your basement or garage, get a reloaded kit and powder and you too can make ammo.
where there is a demand, there will be a way of getting it.

edit on 24-2-2013 by bekod because: line edit

I think you misunderstood me....I know about prohibition, that was my point. The idea was bad, but it didn't stop them from trying it.

Edit: I should have read your reply closer, I think you were agreeing with me....sorry.

reply to post by hawkiye

Anyone who does not see that they are preparing for confiscation and war with the people is either a moron or a shill.

Now, was that really called for?

YALLS better wake the hell up. For some time now the Nazis have been focused on making a grab for the guns, and it seems that everything they want they get one way or the other. If you don't believe it? lets start with Waco,Ruby ridge, Oklahoma city and the patriot act and the creation of Homeland Security,then lets take that up a notch to 911 and the deployment of the TSA and every other thing they've implemented since.......They are coming after the guns
you better believe that they are, because it is a fact

Now for all you folks out there who will demand the proof
just wait, its coming to your door carrying a black bag

Oh and if you don't have a gun and think you are safe? you better not have anything on your property they deem as contraband, because they ain't going to all the trouble of raiding you without leaving empty handed

Originally posted by bekod
The first gun grab, that the FED's imposed took place in the 30's, the next one is just around the corner, AR are just the next step in disarming the populace, next it will, be any hand gun or rifle that holds more than 2 shots, all hand guns and most rifles do this what would be left derringers, Dbl shot guns, single shot rifles, this does not infringe on your right to own a firearm, nor does it impede on the second. you just can not own sell buy certain types of firearms , unless you pay a tax and fill out a mountain of forms , just as today with owning a full auto. ie BARS, Tommy 45, Mg42.

The 2nd says "shall not be infringed". That is infringement big time. We have the natural right to bear the arms of our choice!

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so did anyone pick up on the fact this isn't a DOJ memo, and it doesn't state the policy should be to outlaw and confiscate all guns ?

conspiracy enthusaists always fall down on credibility with these threads

any time you see something that fits your worldview, you don't question it

FAIL

Did you pick up the fact that the memo confirms a mountain of other evidence and is not some lone anomaly?

Your whole post is a FAIL!

See, pen is mightier than the sword. It took a letter to start detaching the guns from the people.

So you just need another pen to write the guns back into the country. Or something that shoots pens into the eyeballs of your enemy.

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

Why are there yards of FEMA coffins placed in remote areas of the country

There are no FEMA coffins anywhere, and those have been debunked many times...

Why did FEMA propose bill HR6566 ordering preparation for mass deaths

I am going to say this would be why...

SEC. 3. PREPAREDNESS FOR MASS FATALITIES RESULTING FROM A NATURAL DISASTER, ACT OF TERRORISM, OR OTHER MAN-MADE DISASTER.

www.govtrack.us...

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

 

Why are there yards of FEMA coffins placed in remote areas of the country

There are no FEMA coffins anywhere, and those have been debunked many times...

Why did FEMA propose bill HR6566 ordering preparation for mass deaths

I am going to say this would be why...

SEC. 3. PREPAREDNESS FOR MASS FATALITIES RESULTING FROM A NATURAL DISASTER, ACT OF TERRORISM, OR OTHER MAN-MADE DISASTER.

www.govtrack.us...

Don't get me wrong, I take alot of what AJ says with a grain of salt personally, but doesn't it seem odd that gun owners are now classified as potential terrorists and that says "act of terrorism"?

One could argue that "man-made disaster" is quite a vague term as well......you can't argue that when you add everything up even if some of it is embellished or is being made a mountain out of a mole hill that it does not warrant closer scrutiny.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
[Don't get me wrong, I take alot of what AJ says with a grain of salt personally, but doesn't it not seem odd that gun owners are now classified as potential terrorists and that says "act of terrorism"?

Where are gun owners classified as potential terrorists? Any more than anyone else that is.....

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
[Don't get me wrong, I take alot of what AJ says with a grain of salt personally, but doesn't it not seem odd that gun owners are now classified as potential terrorists and that says "act of terrorism"?

Where are gun owners classified as potential terrorists? Any more than anyone else that is.....

edit on 24-2-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

"Any more so than anyone else" makes a difference? They are is the point, along with pretty much almost everyone else in America. Does that not seem a little bit troubling?

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by Tardacus

Originally posted by Hopechest
Its important to note that the National Institute of Justice is only a research and evaluation arm of the Department of Justice and have no responsibility to recommend actions on policy.

Their job is to be given a task and provide data on a specific area or multiple areas of interest. Nothing more.

It similar to the office of statistics, they just provide raw data when asked to. I assume that these questions they are providing data for are simply part of a larger request on multiple scenarios concerning gun control and simply taken out of context.

Basically if you are trying to decide on what programs would best reduce gun violence you would want to put everything on the table, collect all the known data for each option, and make the decision you think is best based on factual evidence.

I have no doubt they asked the NIJ to evaluate how much gun violence would continue to occur if nothing was done about it also.

Its just them collecting data.

During their brainstorming sessions do they normal put illegal suggestions on the table?

For instance if they were asked to brainstorm about reducing the number of people on government assistance would they include a suggestion to create concentration camps and execute all the people on government assistance?

A suggestion to outlaw guns is just as illegal and unconstitutional as executing people in concentration camps would be.

Suggestions are not agaisnt the law and of course you could put this on the table for research. It would give you a base idea to start from which is zero guns in society and allow you to base your prediction off of that. Its a point of reference.

It sounds like a waste of time and money brainstorming hypotheticals such as, if we could get 2/3 of the senate to approve a change to the constitution by removing the 2nd amendment then we could outlaw guns and confiscate them and then the gun related crimes would...


Day dreaming,wishful thinking and what if`s doesn`t solve our problems and maybe that`s why our country has so many problems too much day dreaming, wishful thinking and what if`s and not enough doing.