Americans Rewrite History….Again!

Originally posted by ollncasino
Its the historically inaccurate ones made by Hollywood that people object to.

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Americans Rewrite History….Again!

This movie plays to Amerikan ignorance and arrogance.

I have many Amerikan freinds, but I cannot hold back the truth any longer.

It's a sad testament that they can cite every state and capital of each, but many still think that those residing north of the 49th parallel live in Igloos, ride polar bears, and eat whale blubber several times a week.

All in all, I love the Amerikan people. Their leadership though, not-so-much.

Originally posted by Ollncasino

Its the historically inaccurate ones made by Hollywood that people object to.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

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Americans Rewrite History….Again!

You need to check your reading comprehension mate!

The Patriot, U571 and again with ARGO...

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ollncasino

Its the historically inaccurate ones made by Hollywood that people object to.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Checks thread title again...

Americans Rewrite History….Again!

You need to check your reading comprehension mate!

The Patriot, U571 and again with ARGO...

edit on 24-2-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Here are a few more American war films that "Bend The Truth" :-

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by alldaylong


To be fair many films 'bend the truth' for characterisation, script plot etc - it's the blatant, unadulterated lying and alteration of core facts in an attempt to maintain the image and illusion of all conquering, all American hero to the detriment of other nations and individuals that is particularly galling in this instance - and quite a few other's.

Zulu is one of my favourite films - the family of Henry Hook VC didn't think so.
en.wikipedia.org...(film)

Something else comes to mind in reading down the thread, as we're somehow comparing movies to historic record of events on things that really happened.

Some folks seem surprised and others even seem to deny the idea that movies would favor Americans or even fudge the story line to make a thing look better.

Well, the last I checked, Hollywood is about making money before making historical contribution (with a precious few exceptions, over the years.) Particularly until recent years, the American movie market has been where the cash has been for making those return profits on movies being made. That's changing these days....but traditionally, that's been the focus.

So, with that in mind, why would anyone be surprised when even "Docu-tainment" movies like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, where accuracy was something effort was put into, still come off friendly to those who are being asked to spend money to watch it? No one watches movies to feel BAD about their own nation...it's entertainment first, after all.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I have no problem whatever with Hollywood producing films that are mainly a work of fiction. As long as that is what is stated in the opening credits.
However the usual slant is "This film is based on true events" What they don't mention is which parts are true and which are pure fiction.

reply to post by alldaylong


The reason that the movie tycoons in Hollywood don't post such a claim is that they are dealing mostly with fictional scripts. As such, they don`t know or care to know, where the fantasy ends and the truth begins.

Their inability to distinguish the foregoing is that they are being force-fed flag waving propaganda by their leadership, as well as feeding their own desire for higher cash flow.

With funds in hand, and plenty of B.S. to make innacurate submissions to the general publlic. (ie. the more crap that is fed to them), the more they make, which fuels an almost inexhaustable supply of dis-information.

The circle of tripe marches on.

I still have a great deal of fondness for the Amerikan public, their leadership not-so-much.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


And I think most of us understand that - but the fabrications or additions etc to enhance the story line in films such as Saving Private Ryan didn't harm or discredit anyone - films like this deliberately omit the role of a Canadian and attribute that to an American and then deliberately falsify a lie about the role of UK diplomats.

This helps maintain the image of the US as the knight on a white steed saving the day and helps foster the stereotypical image of the dastardly and cowardly Brits that many Americans seem to believe is factual.

That many people can't see anything wrong with dismissing the role of Ken Taylor just to give the 'hero' American nationality all in the name of 'entertainment' speaks volumes and probably goes some way into contributing to the rest of the world's negative opinion of Americans in general.

For me, Ken Taylor's role in the Embassy story is deserving of more recognition - but wtf, it's just a film.

reply to post by redoubt

Any other... um, history (cough) you might like to educate us with?

This would be a good place to start, hope its not too tasking for you good buddy. Just glad I could help.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by krazykanuk
It is almost laughable the way Americans start wars, do not or cannot finish them, and then claim to be the great conquering heroes.

How is it that someone can spend YEARS on ATS and still have literally no clue about the true source of wars?

You claim to be aware that history has been rewritten and yet you appear to actually BELIEVE it. This is anything BUT laughable...

“There are two histories: official history, lying, and then secret history, where you find the real causes of events.” ~ Honoré de Balzac

“Most wars are engineered by the Illuminati to weaken civilization and create a global police state" The Illuminati want to own and control everyone. They want to be God. They contrived all the revolutions, the world wars, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, the JFK assassination, 9-11, Iraq and Afghanistan and the "war on terror."

Does A Satanic Cult Rule The World?

"One group and one group ALONE is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet." LINK

“Most wars are engineered by the Illuminati to weaken civilization and create a global police state" ~ Henry Makow Ph.D.

"War is the major way for the EVIL, sinister, insane Illuminati to control humanity."
Michael Shore

Rewrite history in slanted terms!! You mean like that English chap from the 16th century did over and over again? What's his name? Shakespeare?
I'm sure Homer used primary sources and stayed true to them when writing "The Odyssey".
In fact, I'd say every movie, play, poem, etc based on history, other than the American ones of course, have not changed a single fact, combined figures into 1 character, or slanted anything to follow a narrative. Would never happen. Only Americans do that.

reply to post by krazykanuk


Could it be because you are Canadian and Canada originally got all credit for the rescue and Americans were the driving force? The have admitted to embellishing the story for moviegoers. For example (and a psuedo spoiler so stop reading if you haven't seen the movie): the Iranians weren't close to getting them and werent chasing them firing shots as portrayed right at the escape scene. I agree that Canada had a bigger part in the whole thing than the movie gives credit for, but it was an American operation I believe and all American involvement was secret.

The movie was just directed by Affleck. Read this article if you want to know how the movie came about:
How a Wired magazine story became Affleck's "Argo."
I have to ask if it isn't a little personal because Canada originally got all the credit because America couldn't let it be known what they had done. So it's a little victory stripped away from the Canadians (who of course did play an important role and helped save American lives during the whole ordeal). Relations with Iran had to be maintained as much as possible at the time. They admitted to the story recently as things fell apart. History is always going to reveal truths and secrets as time passes.

Have you seen the movie? It's really a pretty good flick.

OP you should read this article: Argo screening in D.C. deemed PR win, 'Canada love-in' Affleck has been talking about Canada having more extensive involvement than portrayed in his own movie. I would read up on the subject a little more before making a thread knocking him.

reply to post by krazykanuk



I only jump in because America has a crummy reputation lately thanks to 8 long years of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and now the division within makes us appear weak. There are factions within responsible for actions we should be ashamed of but nearly every nation has them and our good deeds by far outweigh any "bad" you can come up with.

Our recent past isn't exactly representative so at least wait until the Greatest generation is dead before you dis this country. Thanks to the USA you people are living with lights, cars, movies and computers and show me an invading and conquering force on the planet that can approach the British Monarchy?

Ben Affleck thanked Canada. I was watching to see if anyone did which of course they should but you can't say the rest of the film didn't happen because with a few minor, some might say insignificant, changes... it did.
Hollywood uses artist license to edit and embellish for entertainment. Do you think everyone believes JFK? Everyone knows that this is a version of what actually happened, this is an artists rendering of the activities that actually happened, this is based on a true story.

It is said there are 3 sides to every story. What you saw, what I saw and what actually happened. One shouldn't just watch the movie (or believe a raving OP in a thread) when writing a report or trying to get at the actual truth of a matter. I think you'll find everyone, except maybe the low information voter, will know that.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by krazykanuk

 

Could it be because you are Canadian and Canada originally got all credit for the rescue and Americans were the driving force? The have admitted to embellishing the story for moviegoers. For example (and a psuedo spoiler so stop reading if you haven't seen the movie): the Iranians weren't close to getting them and werent chasing them firing shots as portrayed right at the escape scene. I agree that Canada had a bigger part in the whole thing than the movie gives credit for, but it was an American operation I believe and all American involvement was secret.

The movie was just directed by Affleck. Read this article if you want to know how the movie came about:
How a Wired magazine story became Affleck's "Argo."
I have to ask if it isn't a little personal because Canada originally got all the credit because America couldn't let it be known what they had done. So it's a little victory stripped away from the Canadians (who of course did play an important role and helped save American lives during the whole ordeal). Relations with Iran had to be maintained as much as possible at the time. They admitted to the story recently as things fell apart. History is always going to reveal truths and secrets as time passes.

Have you seen the movie? It's really a pretty good flick.

OP you should read this article: Argo screening in D.C. deemed PR win, 'Canada love-in' Affleck has been talking about Canada having more extensive involvement than portrayed in his own movie. I would read up on the subject a little more before making a thread knocking him.

edit on 25-2-2013 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Good points and I think we can say the movie wasn't about the heroism and bravery of the Canadians - it was about the wild, crazy and unbelievable ESCAPE. Why don't the Canadians just make their own movie focusing on the beginning and their part in history? I'd watch it too. lol

Originally posted by newcovenant
Why don't the Canadians just make their own movie focusing on the beginning and their part in history? I'd watch it too. lol

I do believe that Taylor is involved in a documentary of the REAL story right now.

So let's get past the movie reviews and ask the question...A movie with the Americans kicking Iranian arse. Who does that serve? Anything else is set-dressing, and I'm rather surprised it is not on anyone's radar.

reply to post by krazykanuk


Yes, it is true ...

All American's work in Hollywood and the other half work in the government we all know neither bend the truth or tell lies. Before you even start, our 16th President Abraham Lincoln did to hunt Vampires with an axe. Some people, I swear ...

reply to post by newcovenant


I think he thanked his movie crew FROM Canada and Iran. I could be wrong.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by newcovenant
Why don't the Canadians just make their own movie focusing on the beginning and their part in history? I'd watch it too. lol

I do believe that Taylor is involved in a documentary of the REAL story right now.

So let's get past the movie reviews and ask the question...A movie with the Americans kicking Iranian arse. Who does that serve? Anything else is set-dressing, and I'm rather surprised it is not on anyone's radar.

Iranians despise their own repressive regime and I am certain "the people" are as amused as Americans with this rendition. The Iranian oppressors - not so much. Who does it serve? I don't think it will blip the radar at all. Of course I could be wrong.

Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by newcovenant

 

I think he thanked his movie crew FROM Canada and Iran.

I could be wrong.

No...I heard him say, "thank you (someone), thank you Canada, thank you (someone else)

I was waiting for Canada to be brought up because I am the low info voter and even I knew this backstory. Yes the Canadians got upstaged in their own show. Life's a beach. (pronounced to rhyme with itch) But people get back and that's what keeps it interesting. It is an ongoing story...LOL