The Varieties of ATS Religious Experience; or, Variations on a Theme

reply to post by wildtimes


You know I wish I had a couple more flags for your thread girl ! Well done !

SnF !

reply to post by randyvs


Well, thanks, randy. Much appreciated. I think it's been great.

reply to post by wildtimes


i was reading the posts and couldnt resist joining
my opinion is that 'imagination' is limited by conscious thinking, there are some jumps that cant be explained but overall it will be risky to assume that its an 'inspiration' from 'beyond' and believe in it.

The 'dreams' however have much less conscious control and tap into the subconscious and so have a broader knowledge database but again the limitation is that they will be 'interpreted' by our conscious brain after waking up and unless the dream was very clear and specific in its meaning, our brain will 'see' what it wants to see.

Meditation on the other hand is tapping into the subconscious and yet be conciously aware, its like hacking into an immense database and examine/question/experience it at will.

I would also like to ask you a question about resurrection. What observations/patterns led you to develop the theory of resurrection without outside suggestions?

you but started this thread to promote your own witch believes OP.

You never really want any open discussion.

You think you are suprior, by your encounters.
well
let me tell you -
i have encountered your deity.

isis.

she was passing me as a clear darkblue robe
rushing.
And the symbol she gave was the ankh.

and an explosion of false light in the mind.

You never started this thread to ' know about other people s expierience '.
But ' to promote your own '.
Which is False.

reply to post by Lone12


You couldn't be more wrong. I am sharing my story. If you'd like to join in, by all means, share your story. No judging.

I'm not pushing my agenda, and I don't have any answers.
If you can't see that, well, it's not due to my lack of trying.

Discussion of how we see things spiritual, how we arrive at decisions or come to dismiss ideas is our collective "story."

reply to post by logical7

I would also like to ask you a question about resurrection. What observations/patterns led you to develop the theory of resurrection without outside suggestions?

Hiya log. Thanks for hanging in here!

The "resurrection" was presented to me as it is in the Episcopal church - same as Roman Catholic and all other Christianity mainstream doctrines -
as a very small girl. Since birth, actually.

It's just that I didn't believe it. Ever. As I grew up, I still didn't (though I tried)....as an adolescent I started investigating other religions and ideas. I just, never believed it is all. Still don't

reply to post by Lone12


Paranoid much?

Take your twisted thoughts, dissect them, and start again.

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by Lone12

 

Paranoid much?

Take your twisted thoughts, dissect them, and start again.

Thanks, MamaJ.

Then the poster would have even more of a story, if they did that. Fear is the killer, ya know?
I'm still curious how he or she arrived at that negative place, but, well, can't force anyone to explain, eh? I guess as far as understanding them, we'll just have to go with what they offered up....without the requested backstory to go with it.
oh well.

Originally posted by Lone12
so
you re my enemy, sis.

- i will not have you ruling earth.
Period.

Heeey MON ! God wasn't being a sexist when it was about dominion okay ! Just say'in.



In the beginning "...God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth (Gen. 1:26)."

reply to post by randyvs


Very funny, randy.

Yeah, well, I don't want to rule that guy's world, anyway. Period. What a downer. He can have it.

(You KNOW you guys would be toast without us!)

reply to post by Deetermined


Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."

I believe one can come to the first resurrection without the need to physically die. In Mark Jesus says that some will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God come. Since this was said 2000 years ago, I think we can rule out a physical Kingdom. I believe he was speaking of a spiritual realization that can come from God. If I receive a spiritual gift from God, thus confirming his promise of eternal life, than both statements are true.

I have taken part in the first resurrection. Because I have received a spiritual gift that I know could only come from God, I know that physical death has no power over me. You see not that my physical body will live forever, although I do believe that all things are possible for God, but that I have been sealed with a promise that my spirit is eternal.

Understand this feeling is not really faith, even though you will see it that way. The feeling is real and unquestionably from God. The kingdom of God has come into my heart before I taste death.

I am open to the idea that both the first and second resurrection are after physical death, but I promise the assurance that you take part in the first resurrection can come to anyone today.

reply to post by randyvs

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:23-24
And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mathew 19:4-6 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Mathew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

There can be only one truth. God is both male and female. Adam was made in God's image both male and female. Out of Adam God "took" woman. Thus making what was once 1 into 2. When you come together in marriage you come back together as one. This is why we should love our spouses as we love ourselves. We are bound together. Every emotion is shared every up and every down.

We can blame each other all we want or we can truly come back together as one.

Anything else is religion and if it is done in love than it is an acceptable sacrifice.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

I would also like to ask you a question about resurrection. What observations/patterns led you to develop the theory of resurrection without outside suggestions?

Hiya log. Thanks for hanging in here!

The "resurrection" was presented to me as it is in the Episcopal church - same as Roman Catholic and all other Christianity mainstream doctrines -
as a very small girl. Since birth, actually.

It's just that I didn't believe it. Ever. As I grew up, I still didn't (though I tried)....as an adolescent I started investigating other religions and ideas. I just, never believed it is all. Still don't

ah i meant reincarnation!! Not resurrection, read it as 'reincarnation'.

reply to post by logical7

ah i meant reincarnation!! Not resurrection, read it as 'reincarnation'.

Okay, let's repeat the question then:
"I would also like to ask you a question about reincarnation. What observations/patterns led you to develop the theory of reincarnation without outside suggestions?"

It just came to me. From deep inside. I could say "from the Divine Spark that in me resides," I guess. I just...knew.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

ah i meant reincarnation!! Not resurrection, read it as 'reincarnation'.

Okay, let's repeat the question then:
"I would also like to ask you a question about reincarnation. What observations/patterns led you to develop the theory of reincarnation without outside suggestions?"

It just came to me. From deep inside. I could say "from the Divine Spark that in me resides," I guess. I just...knew.

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in other words it was just an idea objectively.
Divine spark? That means an active divine intervention? So do you believe in an intervening divine source?
I am asking these questions because i need to understand your belief and check it for incosistencies, i just feel that your beliefs are compartmentalised and they dont get integrated and that i believe should not be the case for a natural belief. I maybe wrong ofcourse so i hope you'l let me examine what you believe.

reply to post by logical7

Divine spark? That means an active divine intervention? So do you believe in an intervening divine source?

No, not an "intervening" Divine Source. More of a "soul-knowledge" with which we are born, and which we carry over (but of which we are usually unconsciously aware) from lifetime to lifetime as we work through the problems toward "perfection," and thence reunion with the stable, true, unchanging Divine Source.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

Divine spark? That means an active divine intervention? So do you believe in an intervening divine source?

No, not an "intervening" Divine Source. More of a "soul-knowledge" with which we are born, and which we carry over (but of which we are usually unconsciously aware) from lifetime to lifetime as we work through the problems toward "perfection," and thence reunion with the stable, true, unchanging Divine Source.

hmm.. So does a fresh soul has pre knowledge or soul just has accuired knowledge from previous life? Accuired one maybe wrong too right?

reply to post by logical7

hmm.. So does a fresh soul has pre knowledge or soul just has accuired knowledge from previous life? Accuired one maybe wrong too right?

Neither. Rather, every soul is inherently a modem by which to access the eternal ocean of reminiscence. Every single possibility experienced and stored in the fabric of existence, the most base collection of energy by which everything else is built, stored, or converted.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Lone12

 

You couldn't be more wrong. I am sharing my story. If you'd like to join in, by all means, share your story. No judging.

I'm not pushing my agenda, and I don't have any answers.
If you can't see that, well, it's not due to my lack of trying.

Discussion of how we see things spiritual, how we arrive at decisions or come to dismiss ideas is our collective "story."

You re lying , sis.

You dont want no common denominator.

what you want is synergy, led by your witch deity.

Well - that will NOT happen.