Newtown seeks to deny newspapers access to death certificates of Sandy Hook victims

I want to make sure I understand what the OP is saying...

Local yocal will not release records..
-said behavior is against the law
-newspaper being blocked

it just happens it is sandy hook...



two sides of argument
1) sandy hook happened
emotional ties

2)sandy hook faked
emotional ties


3rd trend
notice ATS locking down sandy hook threads...

well my take

THIS IS NOT REALLY a SANDY HOOK THREAD...

the issues seems to be a very misplaced behavior on the part of the local yokel
this leads to an appearance of a conspiracy


It has lead to additional speculation which is quite well deserved

To those that believe it happened....
1)story changed to many times for my comfort
2) another thread on here... dealing with timing and the shadows being analysed



To those that believe it is faked
1) we are guest in someone else's house... I completely disagree with the house owner on this... but not my house... Please show the board some more respect

I assume they have good reason they feel is justified... again I wish my objection noted for the record..

they have made a specific point to list a thread detailing what is not allowed in reference to this particular subject..

Do follow it... because some of you disinfo agents I want to expose later on
I cant have you getting banned just yet...


The thread creator actually made a good point I believe in the fact this is very troubling... A local crook decided to not follow the law... the records are public...


Now my question involves a new thought...
Also their is a lawsuit that will take place... this raises a lot of questions.. the DC's have to be provided... who is getting sued and what are they hiding... could this be a local issue...

Without the lawsuit this makes this whole thing worse (yes I am giving others the chance to dig and link the lawsuit if they find it..)

The only legal leg the crook would have is if the DC's are part of an ongoing investigation... Which is relevant to the DC's being withheld

The article referenced did not mention that... the crook decided they just did not want to release the records...

Where is the Lawsuit, where is the investigation, and why has this crook not been called on any thing..

Originally posted by ripcontrol
I want to make sure I understand what the OP is saying...

Local yocal will not release records..
-said behavior is against the law
-newspaper being blocked

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What about those who are open to the idea that it happened, but someone else was responsible...taking into consideration who had the means, motive and opportunity to kill so many little children in such a small amount of time.

Not me, of course, but crazy tinfoil hat wearing whackadoodles.

reply to post by MotherMayEye


it is where the T and C leave wiggle room




it is still point one- it happened

with a sub catagory-
someone else did it


You have to be careful in the wiggle room.. due to sensitivities

it is part of the thread discussion because of the responses but head towards out of bounds...
it has to include you believe that someone else did it

they may be influencing the yokel...

(What would be interesting would be to get their bank, email, and phone records for the town officials...
I personally believe you work for the government your address and social is private... everything else public data)

It brings up something interesting...
what if it is small town conspiracy getting mixed up because of large scale media over-reaction...

she may not be releasing the DC's because an oddity may point to some locals misbehaving.... like someone have children with some-one elses wife...

reply to post by MotherMayEye

What about those who are open to the idea that it happened, but someone else was responsible

exactly. so many inconsistencies surround sandy hook, and many of the threads that offered great information were 404'd. i realize moderating such a large site is difficult, and i don't think ATS is some sort of alphabet agency spy tool, but questions aren't being asked out of morbid curiosity, but because there are some serious gaps in the official narrative.

to all of those saying the records shouldn't be released because it would cause the parents more grief to see the info published, what of the parents who wished to see their child's body, but were denied? what of the 24/7 broadcasts on all news stations of the event, subjecting young children to stutter out accounts because it is more dramatic than getting the facts from teachers on the scene. and NOW you cry that we should respect the feelings of the parents and censor the actual evidence?

i guess that was necessary sensationalism, but we can't let the facts get out, oh no.

reply to post by ripcontrol


sandy hook is a small quiet town. I live right next door. I was in town the friday after and saw 3 funerals. there were several news crews set up across the street from the churches covering every little thing and going into diners and asking everybody "how it feels" they just want the outsiders to go away and leave them alone

is that too much to ask ?

these people know people who were in the school, and saw lanza and survived. this was not a staged event. they know this because they lived through it

I know because 2 of my customers had kids in that school, and my wife knows people in the school district.

it's worth asking questions about lanza, why he did it and if he had help and who helped him

but any questions about the bodies or how they died are just retarded

the poor first reponders know exactly how they died. and the people of that town are just trying to protect the families from any more public pain

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
reply to post by ripcontrol

 

sandy hook is a small quiet town. I live right next door. I was in town the friday after and saw 3 funerals. there were several news crews set up across the street from the churches covering every little thing and going into diners and asking everybody "how it feels" they just want the outsiders to go away and leave them alone

is that too much to ask ?

these people know people who were in the school, and saw lanza and survived. this was not a staged event. they know this because they lived through it

I know because 2 of my customers had kids in that school, and my wife knows people in the school district.

...

Oh, well if you vouch for the official story, it must be true. I mean we haven't been formally introduced or anything, but you strike me as an honest anonymous man or woman from the internets.

reply to post by syrinx high priest

these people know people who were in the school, and saw lanza and survived.

really, because i heard the identity of the witnesses hadn't been released for fear of a "second shooter". besides, "lanza" was wearing all black and a mask, so they saw a gunman with a mask on.

different sources are reporting completely different things. he went through the front, he went through the windows, he used an ar-15, he only used handguns, etc.

lists of the kids killed, and pictures of them when they were younger were aired for quite some time, tons of things that would remind the families of what happened, but how is getting access to death certificates to see the information they contain (which guns were actually used, and evidence from the scene, such as how many shots were fired) any more traumatic?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest


sorry, but sparing the families from harrasment directed from bored people on the internet is more important than satisfying a group of people who, if a conspiracy were revealed, would say that it is false, and that there is ANOTHER "real conspiracy" going on....

so why try to satisfy a group of people never satisfied ?

sorry

the family wins out over the nutters

Lt vance is still investigating, as he should be

all I'm saying is keep private things private

As soon as this event is no longer being used to further a political agenda that touches every single U.S. citizen, then we can drop it and call it "private." Until that happens, a nation of people win out over the families. It is in the public's best interest to know every detail. No "fair trial" is being compromised. "Adam Lanza" is dead.

This entire nation is being subjected to some twisted child exploitations since Sandy Hook, bordering dare I say political terrorism on a daily basis (unless you live in a cave, I don't). Until that stops, it's as much my business as it is the parents they put on the television.

I saw nothing.
What did you see?

My stance will remain that only whatever evidence shows happened, happened and the innocent remain innocent until proven guilty. Not reported as guilty.

reply to post by syrinx high priest

sandy hook is a small quiet town. I live right next door. I was in town the friday after and saw 3 funerals. there were several news crews set up across the street from the churches covering every little thing and going into diners and asking everybody "how it feels" they just want the outsiders to go away and leave them alone

Sandy Hook is a small quiet little town huh? You live right next door? Seen some folks headed into the diners just wishing all the media would go away? Any of those people happen to be the same ones on TV the next day after their kid was killed pushing gun legislation? Any of those people set up donation pages through facebook or the United Way the day after their kid was killed to field donations?

Did any of those people turn out to be so happy that their kid wasn't killed but may have suffered through a horrible tragedy they packed them up and shipped them off on a world music tour at all the trendy places while their very quaint and quiet friends in the community attended funerals? Pffffff

Sandy Hook, a small quiet town where we should all just respect their right to be sick and twisted freaks. People that couldn't give a toss about their neighbors or their dead kids, who just want to seek public attention and donations even though the household brings in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (Noah Ponzer). Pfffff

is that too much to ask ?

I don't know. I's it too much to ask for any evidence, any at all that Adam Lanza was the lone shooter? Is it too much to ask that an official corrects Gene Rosen's false statements? Is it too much to ask why no parents were allowed to see their own children's bodys? Is it too much to ask that authorities explain the armed tactical officer in the woods running from police? Is it too much to ask that any shred of evidence that proves that anything that has been said is actually true and not complete and total fiction? Is it too much to ask to release some part of the footage from all the of the security camera footage that was througout the school. Is it too much too ask to see one picture of Lanza even in the school at all, with a weapon, alive? Is it too much to ask that..... Well, nm, I don't have that much time tonight.

these people know people who were in the school, and saw lanza and survived. this was not a staged event. they know this because they lived through it

Yeah? How do you know that? Nobody at the shcool knew Lanza, how did they know it was him? There is a great chance it wasn't staged and kids did die, how do you know it was Lanza? There is zero proof for that. Usually when a case is as simple as a lone crazed gunman it's pretty cut and dry isn't it? Where is ANY shred of proof that can be digested by the public that confirms Lanza was even there?

I know because 2 of my customers had kids in that school, and my wife knows people in the school district.

Really? Were those people going to the Super Bowl or too funerals?

it's worth asking questions about lanza, why he did it and if he had help and who helped him but any questions about the bodies or how they died are just retarded

So, anything you deem to be a non issue is "retarded" ok, thanks... I see how that works now.

the poor first reponders know exactly how they died. and the people of that town are just trying to protect the families from any more public pain

Well, I guess it's a good thing Anderson Cooper is helping them all get over their grief. Not on my watch pal....

Originally posted by sandyhooker
Actually, this is the link you want currently if you're interested in lawfully and appropriately requesting any death certificates associated with the Sandy Hook massacre (which, I might add, was perpetrated by a lone individual). For any event occurring in the last four months, it's apparently best to make your request to the Town of Death Vital Records office rather than the state office.

However, these public records are none of your business. Do NOT request these public records, as it will certainly result in needlessly increased anguish for the still grieving families of the innocent victims of this horrible tragedy perpetrated by a lone individual. Only a soulless, inhuman monster would want to request this information.

EDIT: Lone gunman.

edit on 22-2-2013 by sandyhooker because: Lone gunman.

nothing to see here i guess? you have some sort of credible factual info that no one else in the world seems to have? i'd like to hear about it. based on the facts given on numerous media sources aswell as radio / 911 / LEO testimony not even taking into account the amount of rounds fired/guns locations/shooter size and skillset there seems to only of been one autistic little boy snapping? explain the car.

reply to post by ThinkYouSpeak


For Gods sake, they wouldn't even let the parents see their own kids bodies. They have apparently classified ALL of the footage from the state of the art security system the school had. There is an amazing absence of ANY independent footage from any type of recording device. There is 0 proof of Lanza even being at the school.... Not one still picture, not one shred of evidence other than "offical" reports.

If you want to be honest, there is more evidence to prove Lanza was dead before the shooting, as according to his SS death registrar or by the fact his hard drive was destroyed or by the fact nobody not even his friends knew where he was or what was going on.

SHOW ME THE MONEY! Show me Lanza in one photo at the school. There must be hundreds if not thousands of stills from the security footage they have confiscated and not releasing right? Show me actual signs of one casualty, just one at all? Show me how they evacuated 600 kids with every media channel on Earth covering the story and unable to find any children. Explain to me how the nurse has claimed 10 times she was under her desk until after 1pm. Please just give me a break....

I don't have every single answer but please stop defending the multiple versions of the OS because it's just silly at this point. There is not ONE shred of evidence to back up any of the claims and it's frankly offensive to not only my common sense but also the other 20+ million Americans that this doesn't sit right with.

It's not a few conspiracy theorists throwing out ridiculousness ideas, it's a massive body of citizens that smell a rat and it's because it's a rat infected with the black plague, a stinking, rotten, decomposing rat, thats stinking up the whole damn country.

Originally posted by sandyhooker
All of the children died exactly how it has been stated, and anyone who states otherwise is a million times worse than Hitler.

How magnificent a citizen of your town, who would regularly attend a website populated by individuals corrupt enough to order the death of trillions.

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To the OP: I'm not sure. I think some delicacy is required in this case, but I also think releasing them would not do any good, in my opinion. Documents can be faked-- not that I think these are, because I believe the victims did die-- but I think people would still cry foul over their validity.

Originally posted by sandyhooker All of the children died exactly how it has been stated, and anyone who states otherwise is a million times worse than Hitler.

i assume you're channeling george dubya with this rhetoric?

exactly what happened has NEVER EVEN BEEN STATED, why do you think there is an interest in the death certificates? to see some evidence.

You know once upon a time when police were asked questions before a day or 2 had past there normal response was always no comment or we are still investergating.
The police have fuelled conspiracy's by not acting profetional because the heads are more interseted in becoming movie stars.
How can we even exept them to know what happend after a day or 2 as a earlier poster said it take weeks months and somtimes years to find the truth to some crimes.
Yet more and more we are seeing officials being interviewed only hours after these horrors take place and they act like they know everything.
They have to be held partly accountable for these sort of discussions when they say contradictory things from way day to the next and not listening to witnesses.
I believe questioning the official story is a good thing when as news reports had stated earlier that infomation was to reman sealed because there may be maultable shooters.
O i wish for the old days were police pushed reporters away and said no comment from a crime scene and kept there mouths shout untill in the witness box.
How could anybody get a fair trial when the hole world gets to hear one view of evedence that changes constantly.
It would have to affect your decion as a jura

reply to post by jaffer44


Indeed. The type of input determines the end conclusion. If the press hadn't fallen over themselves to get in a haphazard slice of the pie before a day had even passed, the puzzle pieces might actually look like they fit into each other.

If you dont believe the lying media's official story on the newtown shooting you are a sandy hooker and a despicable human being.

Just like if you didnt vote for Obama you are a racist.

All you have to do is call someone the worst thing you can think of and you automatically win the argument.

Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by ThinkYouSpeak

 

For Gods sake, they wouldn't even let the parents see their own kids bodies. They have apparently classified ALL of the footage from the state of the art security system the school had. There is an amazing absence of ANY independent footage from any type of recording device. There is 0 proof of Lanza even being at the school.... Not one still picture, not one shred of evidence other than "offical" reports.

If you want to be honest, there is more evidence to prove Lanza was dead before the shooting, as according to his SS death registrar or by the fact his hard drive was destroyed or by the fact nobody not even his friends knew where he was or what was going on.

SHOW ME THE MONEY! Show me Lanza in one photo at the school. There must be hundreds if not thousands of stills from the security footage they have confiscated and not releasing right? Show me actual signs of one casualty, just one at all? Show me how they evacuated 600 kids with every media channel on Earth covering the story and unable to find any children. Explain to me how the nurse has claimed 10 times she was under her desk until after 1pm. Please just give me a break....

I don't have every single answer but please stop defending the multiple versions of the OS because it's just silly at this point. There is not ONE shred of evidence to back up any of the claims and it's frankly offensive to not only my common sense but also the other 20+ million Americans that this doesn't sit right with.

It's not a few conspiracy theorists throwing out ridiculousness ideas, it's a massive body of citizens that smell a rat and it's because it's a rat infected with the black plague, a stinking, rotten, decomposing rat, thats stinking up the whole damn country.

perhaps you should re-read my post? i was being incredulous that the OP is trying to say this is open and shut, and anyone who doesn't believe what the media and officials are saying are some kind of vile scum who only want to torment the families of the poor kids slain by some madman lunatic 100lb recluse. honestly, if anything, i was trying to lure that disinfo agent into posting some sort of response to further validate my thoughts on sandy hook being swept under the rug by people on here for reasons like it's too "sensative" or is it not befitting the moderators agenda, on a open minded CT site

Conspiracy or Not! Something isnt quite right, regardless!

None of the parents were able to view their children which I find absolutely astonishing!!!

Now public access documents relating to deaths cannot be accessed!!!

And so many other inconsistencies and information that contradicts the official story!!!

What are folk going to think?