What is the evidence that the pyramid is a "tomb of Kyops"?

I was watching this video . They always say, that the great pyramid "had to have been built in 20 years" "Because it was built to be the tomb of Kyops." WHAT EVIDENCE DO THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT OFFICIAL STANCE?

My understanding is that they would need to have an incredible speed for stacking those blocks, something like one every couple of seconds for 20 years. So they base this official claim of "it took 20 years to build" on the idea that it was a tomb for Kyops, but what evidence do they have of that? My understanding was that no mummies were ever found in any of the big pyramids, a big stone box was, but with no evidence indicating it was a sarcophagus, it certainly doesn't bear any of the standard markings or decorations of sarcophagi. So what evidence do they thin they have that makes them so sure it was built in 20 years for this Kyops guy? did the Egyptians write it down as such? If so where is the writing, what is it called. Do you have a picture with translation?

Also, some rulers were known to have scribed their names on things they did not create to give the impression to the world that they were greater than they were. Did Kyops scribe his name on the pyramid or what? What evidence, if any, is there to support the most common official academic claim. I think the time period is ridiculous and a smoking gun that something is not right with the official stance.

reply to post by NJoyZ


I've looked into it a little bit, but I havn't spent nearly enough time to know how much evidence there is.. Kind of looks like shady at best.

Very interesting topic. Hope some more knowledgeable people arrive to "set me straight."

One of the points that comes to mind instantly is the evidence of writing about building the pyramid or lack thereof. Is there any?

Yeah, if you really consider all that we really know about the pyramids... there's really not much of anything to suggest they were tombs.

I think you would really enjoy a documentary called "The Pyramid Code". It takes the same stance as your thread here and is highly recommended by many. They really spend a few hours detailing so much information and how the pyramids were almost certainly NOT tombs. It can be found in parts on YouTube and elsewhere.

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Anyone that is interested in the pyramids, what we know about them, and how mainstream Egyptology is flawed in its reasoning... please, go find and watch "The Pyramid Code". Its probably the best documentary I know of on the topic of this OP.

reply to post by NJoyZ


The workman's grafiti inside the relieving chamber mentions him and then you have the old tale of khufu's daughter being a prostitute to pay for the construction.

I'd imagine that basic block production would happen all the time so if you have a long lived pharaoh there will be a good amount of starting material for the next pyramid, so while starting from scratch to build a pyramid in 20 years may be impossible but if theres 30 years worth of pre cut material ready it's going to save some serious time

reply to post by RandyBragg


Yes, there is ONE piece of graffitti that bears Kufu's name in the pyramids. But that could be for many reasons...

Watch "The Pyramid Code", come back to discuss. This is addressed in the documentary.

I have been lucky enough to visit the pyramids on more than one occasion. I believe that there is no basis for it being a royal tomb. I actually like the theory that it housed the Ark of the Covenant before the Israelites stole it during the exodus. Also, that french engineer's theory about how the whole pyramid is one big machine and the grand gallery was a counter weight system, that helped lift the massive blocks into place. Seeing pictures or videos just doesn't do them justice. The closest thing I have ever had to a religious experience was visiting the pyramids, I could actually feel the energy. When I went inside the great pyramid, there were 2 older women who looked like they were doing some type of ritual inside the Kings Chamber, It looked like they were worshipping the pyramid or something. I couldn't understand what they were saying but It did freak me, my dad and a German photographer out a little. The only evidence for it being a tomb was some writing in the relieving chamber above to Kings Chamber, funny how thats the only writing in the whole pyramid.

They have lots of evidence. They have a whole bunch of specialists that believe it is true so their belief is evidence. Everything they find can be interpreted to reinforce their belief. True or not true this is the way it is. We have act like we accept consensus of the time to appear normal.

Was it designed as a tomb? Haven't a clue myself, I haven't personally seen the evidence, I have only heard their interpretation. I know more about how people see things differently than archeology.

This just goes to show us how little we truly understand about the Ancient Egyptians. I bet the later Egyptians had the same questions and debates as we have today. The pyramids at Giza are truly enigmatic in all sense of the word.

Originally posted by Heliophant
reply to post by RandyBragg

 

Yes, there is ONE piece of graffitti that bears Kufu's name in the pyramids. But that could be for many reasons...

Watch "The Pyramid Code", come back to discuss. This is addressed in the documentary.

Care to enlighten me a bit? I just don't care to sit through 2 hours of some stupid youtube video. Any evidence that someone else had it built?

Originally posted by Heliophant
Anyone that is interested in the pyramids, what we know about them, and how mainstream Egyptology is flawed in its reasoning... please, go find and watch "The Pyramid Code". Its probably the best documentary I know of on the topic of this OP.

edit on 21-2-2013 by Heliophant because: (no reason given)

The Pyramid Code on Hulu seems to be a TV show with 5 episodes. Is this what you're talking about?

reply to post by NJoyZ


here you go



my favourite documentary of all time on this subject
especially Abd'el Hakim Awyan who has left us for the afterlife in 2008

Did Sneferu not have the bent, red and medium pyramid either?

reply to post by RandyBragg


yes the red and bent pyramid are his

but the meidum pyramid however

The first of Sneferu’s massive undertakings is the Pyramid at Meidum. There is some debate among scholars as to Sneferu’s claim to the Meidum pyramid, and many credit its origin to King Huni

WIKI

khufu and snefru, were responsible for true shaped pyramids.

though there is no evidence to suggest he was buried in the kings chamber
there is very strong circumstantial evidence to suggest it was intended as his tomb..

but we do not know if he, or anyone else, was buried there....

as for the quarry marks
people need to know....that khufus name is in the pyramid....
but khnum-khufu is not. its written as khnum-khuf.....

mistake? who knows

but one thing is for certain...hence the new age theories....that they are much more than tombs.

this question is as old as egyptology....

peace


BTW- to avoid confusion, and to keep our understanding as acurate as possible
PLEASE STOP USING THE GREEK NAMES FOR THESE KINGS
egypts history is written on stone..ie first hand evidence

lets use the egyptian names
use khufu, khafre, and menkare...not cheops, chephren, and mycenersomething.....

Originally posted by Heliophant
reply to post by RandyBragg

 

Yes, there is ONE piece of graffitti that bears Kufu's name in the pyramids. But that could be for many reasons...

Watch "The Pyramid Code", come back to discuss. This is addressed in the documentary.

I cant recall exactly - but wasnt it said that it was an egyptologist that scribbled Khufu's name in the Pyramids. Also in the video "The Pyramid Code" isnt there an Egyptian Archeologist and Shaman that says that the whole story of how the pyramids where made and what they were for was given to us (Western Archeologists) as a joke on us?

Originally posted by NJoyZ
They always say, that the great pyramid "had to have been built in 20 years" "Because it was built to be the tomb of Kyops." WHAT EVIDENCE DO THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT OFFICIAL STANCE?

IMHO

None really regarding the time frame for construction.

The Ancient Greek Herodotus was supposedly told [2,000 years after the fact] that it only took them 20 years to build the Great Pyramid. We in the modern world with all of our "State of the Art" information age technology sometimes can't get the last 1,000 years history straight but the ancient Egyptians were able to tell him that it took exactly only 20 years 2,000 years after it was constructed?

Yeah ok...

Also some believe that it took them 20 years to "Refurbish" the Great pyramid and re-carve the Sphinx's head back in 2,500 B.C.

Both supposedly being much older.
I guess only time will tell eh?

. They always say, that the great pyramid "had to have been built in 20 years" "Because it was built to be the tomb of Kyops." WHAT EVIDENCE DO THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT OFFICIAL STANCE?

reply to post by NJoyZ


We know the pyramids are tombs for several reasons,
First there is a documented progression in tomb structure and style from mastabas to pyramids and than on to cut rock tombs.

The mastaba was the standard type of tomb in pre-dynastic and early dynastic Egypt for both the pharaoh and the social elite. The ancient Egyptian city of Abydos was the location chosen for many of the cenotaphs. The royal cemetery was at Sakkara, overlooking the capital of early times, Memphis. [8]

Mastabas evolved over early dynastic period. During the First Dynasty, a mastaba was constructed simulating house plans of several rooms, a central one containing the sarcophagus and others surrounding it to receive the abundant funerary offerings. The whole was built in a shallow pit above which a brick superstructure covered a broad area. The typical of Second and Third Dynasty mastabas was the 'stairway mastaba', the tomb chamber of which sank deeper than before and was connected to the top with inclined shaft and stairs. [8]

Even after pharaohs began to construct pyramids for their tombs in the Third Dynasty, members of the nobility continued to be buried in mastaba tombs. This is especially evident on the Giza Plateau, where hundreds of mastaba tombs have been constructed alongside the pyramids. [citation needed]

Then the brilliant uber vizier Imhotep designed the stepped pyramid of dojer, which is clearly a series of stacked mastabas.






Then a little later you have the giza complex with its gleaming white skinned pyramids.






And look at that two little stacked mastabas right in front.

Along with that records have been recovered that deal with things such as payroll and worker injuries that cleary state they are working on the pharaoh's tomb.
And then there is all of the attending mortuary temples and other related structures.

reply to post by NJoyZ


Hello NjoyZ,

Here is a recent article I have written (PDF format) which presents 10 facts that contradict the pyramid tomb theory (PTT) as posited by Consensus Egyptology.

10 Facts that Contradict the Pyramid Tomb Theory.

This is by no means an exhaustive list and I fully intend to add to it as time goes on. Indeed, if anyone here on ATS can suggest other such anomalies/contradictions to the pyramid tomb theory, I'd be happy to include them in future revisions of this article.

The wrong turn the Egyptologists made nearly 200 years ago was believing that the stone boxes found in a few of these early, giant pyramids were 'sarcophagi', failing completely to understand and realise that the ancient Egyptians had another--more important--use for such stone boxes that had little to do with the burial of kings.

Best wishes,

Scott Creighton

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Than you Scott for posting the link for us.
Now how old do you think they are?

Just curious.