sniper posts pic of child in crosshairs

Originally posted by bloodreviara
What can you even say to something like this, i am at a loss,
finding it very hard to not be just rude, the US government throws
a fit about protecting children from guns and we give this
country huge amounts of weapons and money...... yea protect
the children

where is the money coming from, for the hundreds of rockets being fired into israel from lebanon and hamas...you think those rockets are just for israeli adults? the US also gives huge amounts of money to egypt, and what's happened there? every american and western friend i talk to now, that wanted to go and see the pyramids and experience the rich history of egypt, now say no way, they are afraid of being kidnapped for ransom, beat up, robbed, or killed, just for being a western tourist.

Not surprising. Their entire religion is filled with heroic stories of murdering children.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by bloodreviara
What can you even say to something like this, i am at a loss,
finding it very hard to not be just rude, the US government throws
a fit about protecting children from guns and we give this
country huge amounts of weapons and money...... yea protect
the children

where is the money coming from, for the hundreds of rockets being fired into israel from lebanon and hamas...you think those rockets are just for israeli adults? the US also gives huge amounts of money to egypt, and what's happened there? every american and western friend i talk to now, that wanted to go and see the pyramids and experience the rich history of egypt, now say no way, they are afraid of being kidnapped for ransom, beat up, robbed, or killed, just for being a western tourist.

We keep hearing of the hundreds of rockets being fired into Israel where's the proof? After decades of these attacks where are all the dead and wounded?

Originally posted by SilentKoala
Not surprising. Their entire religion is filled with heroic stories of murdering children.

Not to mention they also reward and promote baby killers.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
This is pretty indicative of the mindset of the Israeli soldiers out their "defending" their ever expanding borders.

.. or it's one immature and/or nutter guy that the Israelis need to pull from their ranks IMMEDIATELY and have locked up for psych evaluations. WOW!

It's past time my tax money stops paying for this kind of thing.

AGREED!

Originally posted by SilentKoala
Not surprising. Their entire religion is filled with heroic stories of murdering children.

ATS Thread - Abraham, true prophet of God or something else?
True. I really don't understand why Jews, Muslims and Christians have such a love affair with this guy. I mean, comeon, hearing disembodied voices tell you to murder your child and sacrifice him isn't exactly normal. I can imagine what Mrs. Abraham thought when her son came home after an outing with daddy-dearest and told him what happened!

And then there's Jephtah who promised to sacrifice (ritually murder) a person if God helped him win a war. If someone came up to me and told me that they made a promise like that to their god .. I'd tell 'em to go stuff it and kill himself instead.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Are you basing your assessment on a deep knowledge of the individual in question, or just on the spurious generalisations that automatically come to mind? No one has shown me anything in this thread that suggests that the person who took this photograph, or the soldier who posted it online, are unhinged. Many people have shown me how easy it is to jump to conclusions without doing any fact checking though.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE SOLDIER WASNT PINNING THIS UP FOR THE ANTI WAR EFFECT IT HAS?

You know how many people (including kids) I had in my sights on patrol or in an observation post in Northern Ireland??.. Neither do I... Countless!... Why??.. Because the sight had x3 magnification or more depending on the sight.. Just a means of observation.. Like binoculars but more convinient considering it is right there in front of me..

Never posted pics of that though!.. Someone somewhere is sending a message..

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

I'm sure that most people find this sort of picture distasteful,but I guarantee you that many snipers from many different nations will at some point have framed an inappropriate "target" in their sights,this doesn't neccesarily have any sinister overtones,more a way of breaking the monotony for a soldier, who is usually hidden, and static in the same position for extended periods of time.

Originally posted by nake13
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

I'm sure that most people find this sort of picture distasteful,but I guarantee you that many snipers from many different nations will at some point have framed an inappropriate "target" in their sights,this doesn't neccesarily have any sinister overtones,more a way of breaking the monotony for a soldier, who is usually hidden, and static in the same position for extended periods of time.

c'mon, please, you're using logic...that is not allowed, when the OP is trying for an angry emotional response.

reply to post by jimmyx


That's a lot of maybe's and it sounds like you are making assumptions about that kid that I would say are fairly absurd. So you think that kid was throwing rocks at an armed soldier than turned his back on the soldier and set down. Do you think kids throwing rocks at armored soldiers is even an offense worthy of death?

He didn't take his scope off, don't be silly. He's not going to do that and risk the trouble and inconvenience for the safety of a people he hopes to kill. IED's? What does that have to do with anything? They aren't that common in Israel.

Basically you have made it clear you blindly support Israel in all actions and are possibly islamaphobic.

You say all that garbage and the reality is of what you are looking at is a bunch of people that have almost nothing oppressed on a little piece of land that is guarded by armed soldiers constantly. The kids are doing what kids do in that situation. Throwing rocks? Who cares! Kids throw rocks everywhere. If you were trapped in his world you would throw rocks at the people oppressing you too.

You are being thick headed and more than a little racist.

W

reply to post by nake13


You are missing the point completely. Snipers do watch through their scope. That's not what this is about. It's about him taking a picture of a Palestinian kids head in the crosshair and sharing it all over the social networks there.

If someone made a picture of the presidents head with a cross hair on it people would immediately get the implication. Same implication here, except this really happened.

And naturally your post got a cheer from the special class of ATS thinking he knows what logic is.

reply to post by jimmyx


It's funny how rarely the "your using logic" comments are like taking a highlight marker to something really dumb.

You would think being a sniper in Israel seeing Palestinian kids through his scope would be the epitome of monotony. I guess I won't be able to get it through your head because you think Israel can do no wrong and hate all those "IED makin' rock throwin' muslim kids" but you would feel different if a sniper in no danger whatsoever made a joke of pointing his gun at your kids head.

reply to post by stirling


Haha I know because then he ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN PUNISHED BY THE IDF lol.
And it could easily be photo shopped without causing a potential situation or death.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Nah.. it actually happens a lot. I could turn this thread into a blood bath of gory photos of Israelis trophying their kills and arrests.

People don't seem to understand that what is going on over there is like if the US pinned all the homeless people into central park and then when one of them acts up (no one could ever guess why, couldn't be the being caged up like animals) with some kind of attack that is ineffective 99.9 percent of the time, the US would bomb them with fighter jets.

This is why the majority of the world and even global organizations are demanding Israel end their settlements.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by nake13

 

You are missing the point completely. Snipers do watch through their scope. That's not what this is about. It's about him taking a picture of a Palestinian kids head in the crosshair and sharing it all over the social networks there.

If someone made a picture of the presidents head with a cross hair on it people would immediately get the implication. Same implication here, except this really happened.

And naturally your post got a cheer from the special class of ATS thinking he knows what logic is.

Although I am unashamedly pro Israel I have to admit this pic is bad form whoever took it and posted it..

Its not just snipers who sight people though.. In many operational theatres across the globe my own sights (including the occassional sniper op) on people, areas of potential contacts et as an observational tool... I suppose the difference is the intent.. But even in the pic you can only speculate the intent of pic and use of the sight.. Plus the crosshairs seem to be slightly off target (i presume to correct for wind/distance.. Or maybe not).. Howver that child did not get shot.. So what was the intent?..

My actual goodness is this ATS???

can we try to look at this objectively without shooting off into the usual anti Israel rhetoric?

Whilst I agree that the photo is in bad taste I would like to make a point.

"What APPEARS to be a Palestinian boy".. The news article states this with no other evidence than it fits very nicely into it's sensationalist story. How does he appear to be Palestinian? Does he have a sign on his head saying I am Palestinian? No, no he doesn't, this could be any child from the region or indeed anywhere in the Middle East. That wouldn't provoke a knee jerk reaction though so he must be Palestinian right?

I am not defending the actions of the Soldier but come on.. How many of you would be getting as upset if it was from a soldier of another nationality against say an Iraqi or Afghan boy.. ?

Truth_Hz

Originally posted by Truth_Hz
My actual goodness is this ATS???

That has been my reaction to some of the baseless assumptions made by some members commenting on this thread. Utterly shocked that anyone here would judge an individual human being by the reputation of an organisation or political structure.

can we try to look at this objectively without shooting off into the usual anti Israel rhetoric?

Would love to get a conversation going along the lines you describe, but apparantly it would be off topic , if you think like OP!

Whilst I agree that the photo is in bad taste....

The photograph may APPEAR to be in bad taste, but unless we know the motivation of the photographer as an individual, we cannot say for certain. As another poster mentioned, this would be a very nice anti-war poster, just add a caption. Perhaps the motive for this pictures being taken is less obvious, and less sinister than is being assumed.

Assume, makes an ass of u and me.

reply to post by jimmyx


That's the US fault too. The US and other countries made the mid east unstable by installing Israel, and thne the US completely destabilized the mideast.

What the do the rockets from Lebanon and and Hamas have to do with Israelis treating an entire people like dogs and killing them and bombing them. It's like capturing your enemy and then bombing them every time they try o escape, If you were in their position you would fire rockets too. And those people that fire th rockets are a few jerks because they end up getting Gaza bombed, but how is it right?
If there are a hundred people standing in front of an army and one shoots a missile( that most of the time gets a warning and Israelis get inside concrete bunkers they have outside) and then that military power uses jets and bombs entire neighborhoods of innocents how is that right? How is that fair? How ca you justify that (well you can because you think all muslims are evil and deserve to die no matter how innocent..). America is the only country left defending Israel's evil government.