Fossilized Spines and Vertebrae of Big Creatures in Curiosity Sol 109!

A common reoccurring theme prevalent throughout this thread seems to be the question 'Why would NASA alter photos or documentation in relation to the possibility of extraterrestrial life?' While the question alone belongs on another thread, might I refer anyone to here who might not have read the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairshere. It has notably become quite popular for the section titled "The implications of a discovery of extraterrestrial life."

Often referred to as the Brookings Report, it was commissioned by NASA in 1960.

A wikipedia entry summarizing the contents of the report can be found here.

I have read this report a few times over the years and I find the following wikipedia quote quite accurant and relevant to the topic on hand:

While not specifically recommending a cover-up of evidence of extraterrestrial life, Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs does suggest that contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life (or strong evidence of its reality) could have a disruptive effect on human societies. Moreover, it does mention the possibility that leadership might wish to withhold evidence of extraterrestrial life from the public under some conditions.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

So it begs the question as to which way NASA, a supposed 'civilian' space agency, would fly in relation to a discovery such as the one the OP is proposing.

interesting pics...and good presentation

Need Another Space Agency is trying to be open and mostly transparent with its findings...( i just assume..mostly)

now that said, if Never A Straight Answer just stopped showing pics or a day 'disappeared', there would some questions asked and alot more speculating, more than now, going on as to why or what happened or what was in the last batch of pics or where is the rover ect. Nothing About Seeing Something has been accused in the past of changing colors to enhance this or that..innocently of course..
so if Never Aliens (just) Smoke & Static were to come across...'something', how would they keep it hidden or so obtuse that we wouldnt be able to make out exactly what we are looking at?

the feed filtered thru somewhere before it is seen by mission control peeps? some type of real time program that somehow hides or blurs or cuts up un-natural shapes or un-natural staight lines or a database that searches for obejects like building ruble or skeletons or human like shapes or wrecked vehicles ect and disguises them? so how would Never A Space Ship hide stuff?.......

Wow!

People have been finding fossilized invertebrates in the Martian photos for a long time now, but finding vertebrates is awesome. I followed the link to one of the photos on the nasa.gov website and it sure looks like a vertebrate spine or part of one to me.

This is tremendous. I wonder what is going on at NASA about all of this? Maybe their photoshoppers are swamped and can't get it all done.

Kudos to the OP.

reply to post by JayinAR



Well I did it, I am sending this to a few news stations; here is what I wrote.

I’m not sure if this is the right place to send this, but hopefully it gets your attention, below is a link to a discussion about pictures taken by the “MARS Curiosity Rover” on AboveTopSecret.com, most of the time pictures from the rover that are posted are too blurry or grainy to make out anything, and are debunked right away as rocks, but this time a lot of the members including myself are impressed by what we see, please check out the link I have provided and if anything catches your eye, then you might want to consider doing a segment on the Mars Rover pictures in that thread.

Remember to please give credit to ATS member Arken for all his hard work.

Thanks

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=15953469#pid15953469



Are there any more members that want to join in and get this out there, pictures have been posted on this site for years, way before I joined, and still no official word from NASA, I think that most of the world is ready for it to be official, "there is or was Life on other Planets".



Peace

Part of me is so mistrustful of the US government that a little voice inside is wondering if this is a psyop. There is as much reason to believe that NASA might plant evidence of extraterrestrial life as there is to believe that they might try to cover it up or to be seen as trying to cover it up.

I don't doubt that there is extraterrestrial life and I don't believe in shooting the messenger, but in the case of the US government, a thorough check of the credentials and a polygraph test might be in order. My two cents worth.

reply to post by Arken


Neat pics, but, unfortunately as these things go, its in all likelihoods a fake. I'm not using anything other than basic logic here. An animal that size would need to feed on other large animals. Not to mention the water it would need.

now going a little deeper, or not deep at all is the problem. These bones are sitting nice and pretty on top of the soil. All the wind and cyclones on Mars just hasn't seemed to bury it. And being that those 'bones' are stripped of any meat or viscera, that would mean this creature died a while ago...more than enough time to get buried and forgotten.

TL;DR its fake, come on.

Originally posted by Born2BWildReloaded
(...) might I refer anyone to here who might not have read the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairshere. It has notably become quite popular for the section titled "The implications of a discovery of extraterrestrial life."

Often referred to as the Brookings Report, it was commissioned by NASA in 1960.

That's indeed an interesting aspect, I never heard of the document before. On page 48, the following can be read with regards to the discovery of extraterrestial life:

Brookings Report, Page 48 (section 4)

Though intelligent or semi-intelligent life conceivably exists elsewhere in our solar system, if intelligent extraterrestrial life is discovered in the next twenty years, it will very probably be by radio telescope from other solar systems. Evidences of its existence might also be found in artifacts left on the moon or other planets.

The consequences for attitudes and values are unpredictable, but would vary profoundly in different cultures and between groups within complex societies; a crucial factor would be the nature of the communication between us and the other beings. Whether or not earth would be inspired to an all-out space effort by such a discovery is moot: societies sure of their own place in the universe have disintegrated when confronted by a superior society, and others have survived even though changed. Clearly, the better we can come to understand the factors involved in responding to such crises the better prepared we may be.

Obviously, any future discovery of (superior) extraterrestial life is considered to be a potential 'crisis', the outcome of which would be too uncertain and perhaps too far-reaching as to take on the risk of disrupting our complex societies. Accordingly, the functioning of government, religion and anything else that might relate to the welfare of our societies is of utmost priority (according to the source above).

So - if the government and related institutions are indeed guided by such recommendations - our decision-makers still seem to be afraid of global destabilization!? But what if it's 'not' a superior E.T. intelligence we're talking about ... what, if it's 'just' bones of vertebrae??

Gotta think about that some more ... !!

This time you made it clear, yeah You made it very, very clear You made it abundantly clear You've got it in for me I knew it right from the start

Rolling Stones "Infamy"



S&F Arken
Wonderful Thread

Looks like the vertebrate of an early whale.

Somebody brought some poor old Basilosaurus to Mars? This is interesting

reply to post by ipsedixit

To blindly trust government is to automatically vest it with excessive power. To distrust government is simply to trust humanity - to trust in the ability of average people to peacefully, productively coexist without some official policing their every move. The State is merely another human institution - less creative than Microsoft, less reliable than Federal Express, less responsible than the average farmer husbanding his land, and less prudent than the average citizen spending his own paycheck.

James Bovard

reply to post by Arken


Since this was an ancient lake, it may have lost it's water fairly quickly or over some time, but in either case, any life that might have been here would logically have been pushed into the remaining dwindling ponds and pools of water in numbers.

By fairly quickly, we could be talking a couple of years or even months...so if there was aquatic life, the majority of it's remains might well be grouped into relatively small areas.

What you have found in these images Arken, might be one of those areas.

reply to post by Arken


Great thread. I think this is just the tip of the iceburg. No telling what may have lived on this oceans mars was supposed to have had back then. I can imagine all kinds of sea or lake creatures.

reply to post by Arken


those along with this should've been scrutinized by curiosity:

I've wondered at times if Mars was like earth before but died out.
Just like the sahara used to be green and well..wet.
Things can change you know.
*Crossing fingers in hopes that NASA will follow up on this.*

reply to post by timetothink



i see rocks still. and your comment bout it being faked made me lol

Well, I sent a link to my local news station about an hour ago with a lengthy email. Nothing yet. I would like to believe they are scrambling to put together a spot for the 6pm News, and are too busy to respond, but somehow I doubt it. Haha
I gave my primary news station the "scoop" first. If I don't hear anything from them tonight, I'll blast this out to the other stations tomorrow.

Originally posted by FutureThinker
reply to post by JayinAR

 

I replied to your post because after about a half hour of reading all the posts in this thread, "I had a thought", and then I came to page 10 and there it was, your comment about taking this to the MSM, that was incredible because thats was I was thinking, thats been happening a lot lately.




I will send the link to this thread to a few news stations and see if I get a response, maybe something good will come of this.




Peace

See the eighth post down on page three where the urging for major media is relayed.

As for contacting major media, they are very busy, so contact has to be precise and interesting. The place to go is the assignment desk, it's easier by phone, and contacting all the local newspapers would get someone interested. And Associated Press is the outlet which, if they cover it, would send it to every newsroom in the western world and beyond. An email would probably linger, and be read by an intern's intern, although sending the link is good, that will give them a place to go quickly and, if spoken to directly and led by the hand, one of them who is semi-awake will think "Ah, maybe I can get a scoop on this" and will run it. If nothing else this will get ATS some more good publicity, which is nice, and there aren't many negatives to this kind of story. A few good stories out there should get NASA to comment, and if the reporter is quick enough, he or she will be interviewing university personnel and folks from the Smithstonian and the British Museum. All it needs is a good reporter. Again, they are probably rocks, but why not give the public a look see? And that might be exactly what a good reporter will think.

Originally posted by WaterBottle
I see rocks.

The sudan

edit on 19-2-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Seriously? I see nothing in the pics of the Sudan that is configured like the mars pics. I usually land on the side of the "it's rocks" crowd, but these are obviously different.

The thing that surprises me is how some people, without looking at these pics have already made up their minds that life on other planets is a myth. Call it knee-jerk reaction, that's it.

Suffice to say, if you have studied geology enough, you are no different, although with some exceptions,
only seeing "rocks".

While the open-mind folks, will consider such findings with a degree of skepticism, while not letting their already belief systems get in the way.

And the pictures, they could be just rocks, but whose not to say they're not fossilized bones of martian creatures long ago?

Disregarding either alternative is plain dumb.

Peace

Highlight or no highlight, every single Mars rock photo I've ever seen looked like natural formations to me. You've fallen into the crowd of the Hoagster, seeing what is not there. Zoom up, get a crystal clear photo and you will see, what you're looking at is rocks, rocks and more rocks.