I Quit! The Forced Slavery of America

reply to post by spqrenki


The reason why they do that is because of the quality of the product. I'm sure you wouldn't want to get food poisoning or some other food-borne illness.

Though I could argue that the seller has to be reputable and have faith in their product. I remember selling Kool-aid during the summer and we wouldn't get busted by the police.

Originally posted by Nicks87
All you have proven is that you are able to live comfortably within the system.
House slave or field slave you are still a slave. The only difference is how comfortable you are living.

Ok so to this point no one has proven to me what rights have been restricted thus making me a slave let me try a different approach.

What is your viable alternative to not living comfortably within the system?

In the end does it really even matter? You choose to live the way you want, I can choose to live the way I want..Neither side is any better or worse than the other just different.

reply to post by spqrenki

Quit Huh!? "Most All" of what you say is true and the USA is almost the worst after the British Empire which in effect still owns us but, this slavery is universal and it goes all the way back to the Money Changers, who to my knowledge is the only time Jesus used violence when he overturned the Money Changers Tables and Flogged/Whipped them out of the Temple.

The descendents/prodigy of those "Money Changers" later found their masters in the Rothschilds and today there is no need to own slaves if you print and control the money. Money; specifically paper/fiat money is the root of all evil and how all humanity has been enslaved and in this country their minions are the Federal Reserve (a private banking cartel), the Bureaucrats in Washington and the IRS who actual serve at the pleasure of the World Bank who in fact owns all of us via our Birth Certificates which are used as Collateral with the World Bank from which all Banks are controlled.

If you think being a Debt Slave is a matter of race or color or really believe this country was "Entirely Built" upon the backs of slaves, you are seriously deluded...more whites were bond slaves and later debt slaves than blacks...another lied you and yours have been raised with. White Bond Slaves/Indentured servants outnumbered Black Slaves 6 to 1 throughout the foundation of this country.

Nevertheless, get your mind right about who the Slave Masters are:

Originally posted by notquiteright
Slaves who believe they are free are the easiest to keep.

Awesome! Another perception stated as if it were fact.

Having asked this of a multitude of other people on this thread I will now ask you.

Since you are implying that I am a slave and my rights are in someway restricted because I choose to be financially, mentally and emotionally successful in life please give me some examples.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I know how it works, its the assumption that people wouldn't do their share unless they were forced to under threat of the loss of their homes and at a rate they have no say over. That is not freedom (which automatically comes with being responsible) no matter how you spin it.

But that's not the real problem, the real problem is that the value of the dollar has been so reduced by the overborrowing/overprinting/overspending of the federal (and state) government that a home selling for $30,000 dollars 30 years ago is now valued in the neighborhood of $300,000. The only thing that added to the home's "value" is the amount of debt it represents.

Originally posted by mojo2012

My great grandma use to decorate her house with plants. What if you thought that the marijuana plant was a beautiful plant and wanted to have one sitting in your living room. Are you free to do that without the possibility of future penalty even though the action would cause no direct harm to another individual?

Let's say a technology buff wants to hit up Area 51 to see what they are working on because he is intrigued by what they could be coming up with. Does he have the freedom to do so?

Not really the same at all..

1. POT is still illegal in many places, when it becomes legal everywhere then everyone should be able to do whatever they want with it.. Where its legal people should be able to do what they want with it.. Where its illegal people should not be able to do whatever they want with it .. Again to me that goes to living within the rules and structure the keep nations, towns, cities whatever functioning.

2. The same people that cry , not saying you, about someone trespassing on their property want carte blanche to do it on someone elses private property? Make sure if you want to pull back the veil of privacy , not a requirement of freedom for me , that you pull it back from everyone. Individual and govt. You want to go explore area 51 cause you think it sounds cool , great! Don't complain when someone comes to explore your house because they think it sounds cool..

Society can't work that way thus we need privacy.

Here is the thing in all this...

I don't think being successful in whatever way matters to you as an individual makes you any better than someone that is not.

I also don't think you should be embarrassed, talked down to or insulted for being successful.

I don't think it is for me to judge how someone lives their life nor do I think it is for you to call me a slave because I chose to focus on something different.

Originally posted by notquiteright

Originally posted by Nicks87

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by Philippines

Cool, thanks for the fast response and the intro =). I understand you're conceding freedom is on different levels now? So you are not truly "free" according to your definitions? So let's start with some basics...

1. What do you consider the standards of being free?
2. Refer to #1

Again, thanks for your response, and a mature thought out one. I did have a list of questions living without "law", whatever that means =b

For me personal freedom consists of the following:

1. Can I expand or grow my education however, whenever and by whatever means I want
2. Can I read, watch or listen to whatever media I want.
3. Can I receive the medical care of my choice
4. Do I have the ability to control my own daily destiny
5. On a more materialistic level can I buy whatever I want whenever I want
6. Can I decorate the inside of my house however I want
7. Can I take vacations to where ever I want.
8. Can I provide for my family or those that are dependant on me

Most importantly

1. Can I , through my own choices and actions, live my life in the way that leads to the most rewarding outcome possible.

The expense of having those personal freedoms and living within the rules and structures we have is having a drivers license, paying taxes, using a passport to travel across borders.

By living within in the rules and structure setup by whatever society I live in I expect to have those freedoms listed above. If I was to break the law\structure by not paying money I owe either in debt\bills\taxes\whatever..by engaging in illegal activities then I would expect those personal freedoms to disappear.

All you have proven is that you are able to live comfortably within the system.

House slave or field slave you are still a slave. The only difference is how comfortable you are living.

Slaves who believe they are free are the easiest to keep.

I think that is the key to this whole debate. Some people are so brainwashed that they dont see the forrest for the trees. They turn a blind eye to how the system really works because they dont think it affects them but who are the top 1% going to rob when the poor have nothing? It will effect them eventually weather they believe it or not.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by notquiteright
Slaves who believe they are free are the easiest to keep.

Awesome! Another perception stated as if it were fact.

Having asked this of a multitude of other people on this thread I will now ask you.

Since you are implying that I am a slave and my rights are in someway restricted because I choose to be financially, mentally and emotionally successful in life please give me some examples.

Well, for starters, I'd like to give a warm welcome to all the babies being born right now. Welcome to the world. Oh, I kind of hate to bring this up, but each of you owe $51,650.21.

www.brillig.com...

reply to post by opethPA


Do you know why no one bothers to reply to you now, except me?

Simply because many had already proven you ARE a slave. logically and rationally, and yet you are living in denial, repeating time and time again like a broken down recorder for attention to repeat your insanity.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy, and may you have the necessary funds to survive and one day will not suffer like the rest of us.

reply to post by notquiteright


Good luck collecting that.

We the people don't owe a dime.

reply to post by spqrenki


It's okay, they will be allowed to work it off.

reply to post by notquiteright


I'm sure that's the plan.

reply to post by frazzle


Well in all honesty I think you are severly exaggerating the inflation aspect here, as though property valuation does not fluctuate, but overall increase dramatically over time. Yes there are constant real estate and stock market bubbles but that is not what we are talking about.

The only big issue I have seen as of late is that there are no respectable and steady jobs. The job market keeps shrinking while the cost of living continues to go up. This is where people have to find two jobs and still barely balance anything.

Inflation is minor in america compared to other countries.

Originally posted by Nicks87

I think that is the key to this whole debate. Some people are so brainwashed that they dont see the forrest for the trees. They turn a blind eye to how the system really works because they dont think it affects them but who are the top 1% going to rob when the poor have nothing? It will effect them eventually weather they believe it or not.

Right..so Im brainwashed because I am doing great financially, emotionally, mentally, physically.
I get up every morning excited to go to work and use my mind all day long.
I get up every morning excited about the possibilities and choices I have to make.
I am not naive, many people aren't in the position to feel excited about those same things and I wish I could help them.

If that makes me brainwashed, ok..you win.. I'm brainwashed and I would rather living a brainwashed fulfilling , healthy, happy, rewarding free life then worrying about the rumored 1% that are going to destroy all of us.

reply to post by opethPA

The same people that cry , not saying you, about someone trespassing on their property want carte blanche to do it on someone elses private property?

What about public land? That belongs to all of us, right?

"Millions of acres of public lands have been closed to most forms of recreation. Anti Access groups are pushing for millions more to be closed to you and your family."

www.savethetrails.us...

I'd like to thank everyone that took their time to respond with their opinions to this thread. I understand that for some this just may be a conspiracy too large. Some people have lived through this system their entire lives and waking them up to something like this would be like initially waking up all over again. I've been called a bigot and a racist by a mod on this website simply for stating something in historical context. I've been called both lazy and worthless.

The fact remains, there is something very wrong with the country that we live in (and no it's not just America). This is not the America that was envisioned by our founders and the response given to this thread proves to me that people are awake to this fact. That's all I needed to know, and it gives me hope. I apologize to those that I haven't responded to, there were simply too many replies.

Again, thank you all for your time and for having a thoughtful discussion with me.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by opethPA

 

Do you know why no one bothers to reply to you now, except me?

Simply because many had already proven you ARE a slave. logically and rationally, and yet you are living in denial, repeating time and time again like a broken down recorder for attention to repeat your insanity.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy, and may you have the necessary funds to survive and one day will not suffer like the rest of us.

Nope, you guys won..Im a brainwashed , slave.. You said it , so say we all.

Hopefully life takes you where you want to be.

Originally posted by opethPA
Here is the thing in all this...

I don't think being successful in whatever way matters to you as an individual makes you any better than someone that is not.

I also don't think you should be embarrassed, talked down to or insulted for being successful.

I don't think it is for me to judge how someone lives their life nor do I think it is for you to call me a slave because I chose to focus on something different.

edit on 18-2-2013 by opethPA because: (no reason given)

Sir, I think YOU are the one missing the point of this discussion. You do realize that the term "wage slave" is a metaphor that describes the way that the current "system" in America treats 99% of the population. You seem to be concentrating too much on the word "slave". You dont have to get upset it's just a way to describe the current situation in this country.

reply to post by opethPA


I wouldn't say that you're brainwashed, I think you're just clinging to something that you know isn't true. You and I agree on a great deal considering your replies, but you still want someone to stand there and smack you in the face with definitive proof. In the real world, that simply does not happen. There are conspiracies that go back thousands of years. The good book itself is a great conspiracy. Sometimes, you just need to follow your gut on things.