Petrus Romanus - Odiio PEDRO Sherer of Sao Paulo

Brazil is the single biggest catholic country in the world, and in the continent that has nearly half of all catholics.

From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org...
Brazilian Conference of Bishops (Portuguese: Conferência Nacional dos Bispos do Brasil - CNBB), composed by over four hundred primary and auxiliary bishops and archbishops. There are over 250 dioceses and other territorial jurisdictions in the country. The primate of Brazil is Dom Murilo Ramos Krieger.

Roman Catholicism is the largest denomination in the country, where 123 million people, or 64.6% of the Brazilian population, are self-declared Catholics.[1] These figures makes Brazil the single country with the largest Roman Catholic community in the world.[2][3][4]

Odilo Pedro Scherer, Cardinal-Archbishop of São Paulo, en.wikipedia.org... is responsible for the biggest diocese in Brazil. en.wikipedia.org...

If there is a popular vote for pope, he will win it instantaneously.

I will not enter into much wrangling of theological nature. The world needs change. After the great John Paul II who came from Poland, the first non-italian for centuries and the first pope from inside the Socialist block, who made history,...after that there were 8 years in which the church was brought to stalemate with multiple scandals that I will not comment. Pope Benedict did the most honorable thing he could do in that position, and that is to resign after the example of few but bright figures in the Catholic church history.

If anyone from the Vatican insiders is elected, the schism in the church is quite evident, with drastic differences between poor South and rich North.

The prophecy of Malachi speaks of Peter. Peter who will rule until Tremendous judge comes from above. Is it the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? Nobody knows.

PEDRO (PETER) Sherer is the only candidature that is able to keep the Catholic/Christian unity in a time like that. The other candidates, however honorable, will bring to a visible separation of the church, because it already exists invisible and they know it.
Fatima prophecy is pending too.
That is my view, I had to put it forward.

There are other Peters, but they will not keep the unity of the church.

The election of a pope doesn't have to do with popularity back home or how big your Catholic country is. It has to do with internal papal politics.

The name 'peter' in the prophecy doesn't matter. All popes are considered to be 'peters' ...

My short list -

1 - Cardinal Angelo Scola from Milan
2 - Cardinal Garcisio Bertone Vatican Secretary of State.
3 - Cardinal Agostino Vallini Vicar of Rome

And the name ... Pius XIII
Pius .. traditionally a no nonsense name taken during historical times.

Pope Benedict stacked the deck with Italian Cardinals.
The papacy will go back to Italy this time. IMHO.

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Italy is an old shoe (geographical pun not intended at all) which will not offer a pick-me-up to the catholic institution. In any move they make the paedophlia scandal will still define them for a long time to come, so keeping the guy who sits in the papal seat Italian can only remind people of the present pope. Spreading out the historical aspect of the post to South America, Africa, or even Canada (I predicted a Canadian even before knowing one was in the running - it was from a dream I remembered while having a deju vu all over again while reading a thread here) will expand the public's worldview of the institution, making it psychologicaly larger in people's mental construction. Anything they can do to get the image of priest's molesting young boy's, some as young as four and five, moved into the collective back channel will be done and probably has already been discussed with the Italian electors.

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You and I may think that they need a pick-me-up, but the old Cardinals who are seeped in the church and in the scandal .. they may think differently. The Non-Italian (Polish and German) experiement may be seen as needing to end by them. They think differently than we do. (massive understatement on my part!)

There is only one correct choice and that is the Church' future. Not her past. Candidatures may differ due to national or character. If we are not to face apocalypse now (no matter Malachi), if so, the cardinals have to cross the threshold of hope and choose the one who will lead in 21st century and be successful in finding new ways in a new world. If the Catholic church will have a future in that new world.
A repeated choice of 2005 will stalemate the current grave situation and lead to limbo. The sex scandal is not the only one. How about the millions who are denied communion for a second marriage. How about some married priests. Out of that limbo the Church will ultimately go but she will never be the same. Perhaps some want to see the Catholic church first crucified, hoping to be resurrected. Don't know about that, but to play with prophecies is dangerous game. Cardinals such as Sodano, Bertone, Ratzinger at that time, and popes John 23, Paul 6, John Paul 2. They all played with prophecy, to end up where the church is now. Instead to help the christians in the modern age. They could decide the married priests on Vatican II instead of the absurd mass changes.
Brazil lost 20% of its catholics in the last decades who went to different protestant churches. It will lose more. And not only Brazil. If the US catholics feel secure, because have a steady percentage, the catholic world is not only the US catholics. In Europe the situation is catastrophic. Even in countries like Poland. On that background the petty struggles of power that we saw in 2011 and 2012 in Italy. Who fights whom and for what?

Let someone from outside world come and set the things correctly. Or we all lose, until stay in this sinking ship. Because if the 118 or so men choose a conservative, the ship will sink and the church will be crucified in the next 4-5 years, may be 1-2years. Do they want to make that happen?

Pope Benedict speaks in Spanish about his resignation and his successor on today's Angelus - to pray for both him and his successor. The unusual is he chooses Spanish for that.
a light in the tunnel. Hope those 118 electors will understand that is the only way to the future different from the apocalypse in prophecies/

In addition to other factors, I will add the many apparitions of Our Lady that take place in Latin America. Currently there are at least 3 ongoing apparitions in Brazil, one of which got official approval from the local bishop - in Itapiranga ( Amazonas ) . The other two have also the benevolence of bishops, in Anguera, Bahia, and Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana, that seer got a personal benediction from pope Benedict. That all matters for the biggest catholic country in the world, to help that world with its spirituality.

Perhaps the worst from Fatima will be avoided, this time, unlike 1941 when Lucia of Fatima was writing the secrets to be sent to the pope, and WW2 was already a fact. Don't we think we are losing the momentum and with that, our lives as passing as a flower? The next pope must consecrate Russia on Day 2 of his election, if somehow it is not possible in the late hours of Day 1. The internet/intranet connection between all bishops established by the Vatican, allows for that: a short but precise prayer to be said immediately by all of them who pretend to be catholic bishops. Only this will avert the worst yet to come. I believe that person will be from a country deeply devoted to Our Lady.

Why not done by pope Benedict in his last hours of papacy? Perhaps he has an answer that I don't know. He still have 1 week as a pope.

I greet cardinal Pedro Sherer of Sao Paulo with the following song in Spanish performed by the solist of the Russian N1 pop group Neposedi Ivailo Fiipov. The Russian people need the consecration more than the rest, to give their fruits for God. And they well may include extraterrestrial contact and technology (my idea).

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Hi Dear 2012newstart,

Without saying that you have necessarily the reason on your forecast of who is going to be elected Pope, let me invite you to visit again my thread and check my personal prediction of who I foreseeing being elected for that role, perhaps there are coincidences, just give me your opinion,

Pls read:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks for your very active participation in my thread,

Your friend,

The Angel of Lightness

Despite what you might think about a South American Cardinal being elected, (although I dont think you've managed to back up your prediction with anything other than 'Brazil is a big country'), in times of crises, it has always been a feature of the catholic church and the Curia in particular to retract and consolidate, and focus on dogma over diplomacy not break with tradition.

I dont see the the current crop of cardinals opting for any candidate from South America, largely because of the influence 'liberation theology' in the south American diosces. The last two popes have systematically embarked on a strategy which was focussed on the retraction of liberalisim within church dogma, and trying to reinstate the church as a world diplomatic player, especially by the international campaigns of John Paul II, the expansion of the church's representaion at the United Nations, and administative structures.

Its a basis of strategy that you need to embark from a strong point, and steady ground, thus the retreat into traditional dogma and the increased influence of the congregation of the faith. For the last two decades the congragation has aggressively policed priests who depart from dogma and many liberal clergymen within the church have been summoned to rome and silenced under threat of ex communication.

It may be that the curia believe that this process is now complete, signalling the opportunity for Benedict to stand aside and make way for a more capable administrator to manage the strengthening of the church's manaagement and administration structures and processes.

If the above is correct, then I dont see Brazil as being the most obvious place to look for such a candidate.
I think its more likely that they will pick an otherwise obscure italian administrator, as much of the language of government within the church is still conducted in italian. Scola looks like a strong candidate, however I believe his age works against him.

thurksen, is also a strong candidate when you look at what he has managed to achieve within the church in Africa, and the proliferation of African priests accross the globe, (as far as I am aware, there have been more priests ordained from African countries over the last two decades than all other parts of the world combined, plus, the expansion of China within Africa needs to countered.)

The last two popes built their career on combating the expansion of communisim, which the church has always seen as a threat, with the break up of the soviet states and the consolidation of the church within Europe, the time is probably correct for the church to focus it's attention on the far east, where communisim is still on the march, the middle east where islam has been gaining more and more control, and the emerging nations within an African continent that is growing in wealth, population and influence.

By opting for an African, it seems to me that they would be strengthening their influence on two two spheres, first to confront the expansion of islam into Africa, and to the gain influence with the chinese by acting as the middle man for the chinese expansion into the continant.

My money would be on an Italian, who subsequently elevates Thurksen within the curia or appointing him as head of the congragation of the faith, (AKA the inquisition).

pls see the new thread that I thought is more reasonable to start than to write here, because there is a new situation - Vatican top cardinals Sodano, Re an Bertone now offer the candidature of cardinal Sherer for consideration to the others.
Brazilian pope with Italian sec.of state: possible deal? www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Well Dear Redshoes,

If you want to see a Cardinal of the western Hemisphere being elected Pope I think that, among the papabile, the Cardinals of Honduras (Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga) , as well as the Canadian One (Quebec Cardinal Marc Ouellet) have as much possibilities as any of the Brazilians.

The Next Pope must be a person with good intellectual formation and also able to communicate in about three languages and the candidates I am mentioning have all those qualities.

Now, if you want a real surprise coming from South America, I dare to mention that it could be somebody that does not appear in the list of papabile but has very good credentials to be Pope:

Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne of Lima Peru, He does not want to be Pope, but he has an Engineer degree that makes him a unique case in the Cardinals college,and he has the protection of the powerful Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, that sounds a lot among the papabile, but in my opinion is too much old for the office .

Pls read:
www.zenit.org...

www.catholicculture.org...


Curiously he has predicted that the election of the next Pope will be just the week before easter, something that matches perfectly with my own forecasts.

Pls read www.vanguardngr.com...

Now, he is the only Cardinal that recently have shown strong confidence in the mystical side of the church, he is a convinced believer in the guidance of the Holy Ghost over the Church, he is against the moral relativism, the same position assumed by Benedict XVI when was elected Pope, and also it is interesting his opinions about the ancient astrologers that visited Jesus in the Epiphany:

www.catholicnewsagency.com...

www.cbcpnews.com...

And finaly he is the only Cardinal coming from the powerful OPUS DEI organization,

chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it...

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

I don't think card Sherer has anymore real chance after the deal with the Curia was leaked into the media. It is a shame such a deal could be contemplated, even less to be announced as a good outcome or you call it. It is pretty much enough of medieval tricks in the Vatican! Sherer was worthy for pope of 1.2 bn people to the point when he entered into that deal.

let the cardinals choose someone bishop who will do the work instead of them! Every cardinal thinks he is better than the rest, or his candidate is better. Why not a bishop, if it is permitted and happened in history.

I lose almost all patience and will switch on the news to watch the outcome. It is possible the false prophet to rise, after so much dust and filt. I hope the rapture comes beforehand!

This doesn't change my view on the personality of cardinal Sherer and his shepherd's skills of the biggest diocese in Brazil, he is one of the best candidates for papacy. But the deal that was made public by Vatican sources was unworthy for the hi see of Peter, that's what I wanted to stress. Perhaps many cardinals will feel it in that way, and would otherwise vote exactly for Sherer if it was not announced. As the Chilean cardinal said, there are no deals, all will vote according to their conscience. Hope that will be the case. if card. Sherer is elected pope, he wil be Petrus Romanus and the prophecy will unfold. Let see how the things will develop in the next hours and days.

Cardinal Dolan has said the new pope will be elected by Thursday. That could possibly mean agreement on the candidature of the obvious leader, cardinal Sherer. That is just my suggestion of course.

In fact the Curia move to promote the first Latin American cardinal in the history is a good gesture and shows willingness of change within its own structures. Perhaps that is what is needed, not new division lines.

Hope cardinal Sherer if elected pope will be the shepherd who will lead the catholic church towards the so much needed change, or repentance if you will. Of course to find the proper language with the other apostolic churches and other Christians who do not belong to a church with apostolic succession, nevertheless carry the same Gospel and Baptism of Lord Jesus. Perhaps Vatican -3 is needed too.