Depictions Of Alien Greys - Never in Science Fiction

Originally posted by Amanda5
reply to post by HomerinNC

 

All I know is that there are conventions where science fiction fans dress up and live out their favourite characters and an entire consumer market for all types of goods. I have seen people I know pull out their dolls - still in the packet. I recall a doll and the complete language guide to a character of Star Trek - everyone in the room laughed out loud when we explored the language.

These same people are then not interested in the concept of Intergalactic Visitors and Craft being real - in any way! Just look at The Big Bang (the television series) and the main male characters are all scientists - all highly educated scientists at that - but - is there ever mention of the reality of sentient lifeforms elsewhere. No - the show centres on the personalities of the characters and their love lives/non existent love lives/quest to find love. The show is a success but if we took a poll of all the viewers - it would probably amount to nothing more than entertainment. I am speculating not making a definite opinion.

So this thread started as an experiment and people wandered straight in and announced their observations beautifully - but - what I want to know now - is - how many of those people see their observations as merely entertainment and how many actually think deeply about their world and the Universe that extends beyond whatever room the television is plugged in.

I know that people are intelligent but how many actually think about the depictions that are beamed at them via the television. I love human nature and behaviours and thinking as it never ceases to amaze me and to stimulate my intellect. Anyone care to comment!?

Much Peace...

What if the aliens try to be like us.To mimic our behavior because they do not have a culture of there own.

Have to give another shout to

this was a fantastic series and is full of The Greys

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Thanks everyone so far. I knew there would be a result. You guessed it I am not a devoted science fiction fan but have watched a fair amount of Star Trek and the odd episode of Babylon 5. I have watched Close Encounters of The Third Kind and other movies.

Science fiction is a thing of the past. These days, fantasy is shamelessly grouped with sf. Sf is science... to base a fictional story upon.

What I want to know now is why is it so hard for people to believe that the depictions of Grey Aliens could actually be real. I use the word depictions as opposed to photographs because entertainment science fiction is supposed to be just that - fiction!

Because that part is pure fiction, there is no science fact I know of that proves grays exist.

How is it thousands upon thousands upon thousands of science fiction devotees can immerse themselves totally in the entertainment genre but not accept the real actual evidence that we have been visited by sentient beings that do not look like us and live elsewhere?

Maybe it is because those devotees want the science part included. I as a science fiction devotee want a big piece of science fact, theory or even hypothesis to make the fiction part enjoyable. I can't stand a story with sloppy science. It am not a devotee of “fiction science”. The science part comes first for a reason.

I have known people who are science fiction fans to the nth degree but bring up the conversation that it is all the work of talented artists and not an iota based on fact - and they switch off. As a person who has had a lifelong fascination with human behaviour I find this particular mindset remarkable. Anyone care to comment?!

I enjoy the stories, consider the possibilities portrayed in the piece of sf art I consume. Maybe even look deeper into what is presented as factual science to see how deep the artist did research the material used but at the end of the day the science can't make the fiction part science as well. No matter how well written, filmed, photographed etc something is, it IS entertainment.

Trying to make it more than that is a bit silly.

I always start off in threads like this by saying I personally am not convinced that aliens are visiting our planet, but I view all evidence as objectively as possible. Anyway, from what I understand, the depiction of the "grey" type of alien everyone is familiar with first appeared in reports from individuals. This is also true for flying saucers. While the term was not coined yet, the same shape seems to be consistently reported. The whole "craze" had not taken off yet, but it seems there were still some people making reports to journalists, just not many.

So from what I understand a lot of what appeared in science fiction, including the appearance of the grey aliens, was based off of what were supposedly accurate eyewitness testimony. Now personally what I would like to see is a handful of reports from the 19th century detailing flying saucers and giving descriptions of alien beings. That would boost credibility in my mind. There was the Aurora incident in the late 19th century, but that was not a saucer shape, but was more elongated...But that is the 2nd most commonly reported shape. So I dunno.

The information I presented above should not be taken as factual. It is simply what I remember from doing sporadic research some years ago, so I could be wrong. And like I said, I don't buy that aliens are visiting at the moment, and I have never seriously researched the subject like I have other subjects.Actually, the only two subjects I research heavily are the paranormal, and sasquatch, as I have had multiple encounters with the former, and one encounter with the latter...If anyone wants to talk about those subjects, message me anytime, as I really enjoy those conversations.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Anyway, from what I understand, the depiction of the "grey" type of alien everyone is familiar with first appeared in reports from individuals.

According to Wiki:

The science fiction writer H. G. Wells, in the article "Man of the Year Million" in 1893, describes humanity transformed into a race of grey-skinned beings, stunted and with big heads. In his 1901 book The First Men in the Moon, Selenites, or natives of the Moon, are described as having grey skin, big heads, large black eyes and wasp stings. He also briefly describes aliens resembling Greys brought down to Earth as food by the antagonists of his more popular novel The War of the Worlds.

In 1933, the Swedish novelist Gustav Sandgren, using the pen name Gabriel Linde, published a science fiction novel called Den okända faran (The Unknown Danger), where he describes a race of extraterrestrials: "[...] the creatures did not resemble any race of humans. They were short, shorter than the average Japanese, and their heads were big and bald, with strong, square foreheads, and very small noses and mouths, and weak chins. What was most extraordinary about them were the eyes – large, dark, gleaming, with a sharp gaze. They wore clothes made of soft grey fabric, and their limbs seemed to be similar to those of humans." The novel was aimed at young readers, and it included illustrations of the aliens.

In 1965, newspaper reports of the Betty and Barney Hill abduction brought Greys to international attention. The alleged abductees, Betty and Barney Hill, claimed to have been abducted by alien beings and taken to a saucer-shaped spaceship in 1961. The term "Greys" did not come into usage until many years later, but the alleged beings described by Betty and Barney Hill generally fit many of the common traits of the so-called Greys. From a star chart reported by Betty Hill, Marjorie Fish, an elementary school teacher and amateur astronomer, concluded that the home planet of these beings was located in the Zeta Reticuli star system (allegedly the fourth planet of one of the stars of the Zeta Reticuli binary system). The Greys are therefore sometimes known as Zeta Reticulans.

Apparently described by Wells in 1893... hmmm

The Hills case was always fascinating to me.

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The hills case was fascinating indeed. As well as the movie, 'fire in the sky'... I believe that was the title of the movie. It was filmed her in oregon not far from me... That case has interested me since I was a youngster. Those are my two personal favorites. :up


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If there are any beings that may look real, it is the Greys. Many accounts, even some drawings from ancient monuments or civilizations resemble them. And it is such testimonies that brought them to pop culture and not the other way around. Pop culture did not make people start making up stories (at least those cases that remain unexplained and are not proven hoaxes/lies)

Thank you everyone for chatting away - I didn't think this thread would move past the first few posts. I love love love the fact I have no stars for the opening thread. I have never joined in to garner stars but sometimes it crosses my mind that someone has enjoyed what I have posted.

Please continue this thread as I am always interested when people open up and discuss their thoughts without fear or threat. This is the type of atmosphere I enjoy when I speak with people.

Back to the topic I am interested to hear more from people who believe there is a correlation between the characters that are depicted within the entertainment genre of science fiction - and - as one poster discerned for us, the fantasy genre that has amalgamated into the sci fi genre. Could that have been on purpose - to muddy the waters? Are the powers that be mingling the genres as a purposeful direct aim - with what intention I wonder? To make people more confused and less certain of what they think they have come to know??

I am enjoying - very much - reading the comments from everyone, Thank you for participating. I wasn't sure if anyone would be interested after the first few posts. I have friends who tell me I do not think like other people - I just put that down to being creative because artistic people are always a little bit different to other people - but - mainly because I am in the awakened state.

Keep the comments coming should you be enjoying this thread.


Much Peace...

Reply to post by Amanda5

People that think differently are usually more interesting to me. Us artistic people do tend to use both sides of our brain pretty well too... So back to what I posted earlier. The movie 'fire in the sky' didnt that have grey aliens in it? Then again that was based on a supposed true story. So that wouldnt necassarily qualify as sci fi as per your thread title. Hmm... You got me thinking about this now.


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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Amanda5

 

I guess you never watched the Stargate series:

Actually, I'm guessing you have not really watched much sci-fi at all.
Depictions of Greys, and grey-like aliens are all over science fiction.

Independence Day aliens had a resemblance going back to the grey archetype.
Babylon 5 had at least one episode with a snippet of a human attempting to sue a grey alien in court for damages and ridicule accrued by the abduction of a great great grandfather.
They're all over science fiction media either outright, or as an archetype base for something very similar but not quite.
Close Encounters of the Third kind from the 1970s?

Come on! Have you watched ANY science fiction?

edit on 16-2-2013 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)

SG1 i loved that and correct me if im wrong but his name is THOR ,

I like where this is going..

The movie The Fourth Kind hinted at the Greys, if you remember, they showed that pale white owl with the huge dark eye regions, people describe this owl during regressions during abductions

There was a movie in the 70's that showed not only the Greys, but other aliens that were seen in other accounts

I am suprised no-one has mentioned the sax players in the Cantina from Star Wars (ep IV).

Originally posted by Amanda5
This thread is about an observation I have noted. Star Trek and Star Wars and all manner of science fiction enterainment depict sentient life forms as sometimes almost human like or with variances to the human form or even blob like forms, such as is depicted on The Simpsons. The Simpsons depict aliens as speaking blobs who constantly drool and travel in a personal glass covered dome, within a spacecraft. I suppose Et comes close but he was depicted as very height challenged and even the smallest Grey Aliens are purported to be three to four feet tall with clearly discernible legs - ET from memory shuffled along with hardly any recognisable legs!

My point or rather my observation is that I have never seen a character on a science fiction movie or television show that looks like a Grey Alien. Is it just me or have my eyes not viewed very much science fiction? Has anyone else noted that the Grey Alien so often depicted within the media, mainstream and alternative is never depicted in science fiction entertainment.






I randomly selected two images from the internet as depictions of the Grey Aliens that are utilised within the media but - seemingly - not science fiction entertainment. Maybe I have missed out on viewing science fiction entertainment that includes depictions of Grey Aliens so maybe members would like to comment on my observation and agree with me, disagree with me or just comment.

Much Peace...

It must be you, because there is a multitude of sci-fi shows that depict Aliens as "greys", or closely resembling them.

while there are lots of examples as people have given, there could be a simple logical explanation for this. The grey alien is cliche!

I would think that most sci fi directors/writers would want to avoid the cliched image of the grey. It could be seen as being uncreative, it's a pretty tired image of an alien as alien images go.

What about the Greys in Star-Gate, portrayed as Nordics no less!

Ma bad allready above.

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there were greys in close encounters of the third kind but I think that the greys were witnessed before that movie

reply to post by cconn487

The chances of finding ET life is astronomical. The chances those same ET look exactly as we believe them to be would be next to impossible.

I would love to be alive to see you eat our own words. I do believe that life is not as rare as "they" paint it and if by chance you get an ET that does indeed look as generally depicted by reports, I would be extremely interested in observing your reaction and response...

I know that it is impossible to prove a negative but there are situations that silence can becomes deafening and inaction is criminal to a point that it restricts possible more reasonable conclusions.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by HomerinNC

 

The preferred term is trekker.
Not that I care. Cuz really, I don't. Really.

c'mon phage...your love of the "trek" is finally revealed, us oldsters always knew it, but discretion was used.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by HomerinNC

 

The preferred term is trekker.
Not that I care. Cuz really, I don't. Really.

You must be younger that I thought.


It's Trekkie for us TOS purists... confirmed by Roddenberry himself.



I'm not a dork.