Joe Arpaio hired a convicted child-sex criminal for armed school “posse”

2 out of 3400?

Well clearly they must all be evil men and women bent on hurting children....



No, but seriously.

The whole idea (arming schools) is idiotic, but this article from Salon is really a hit piece. Should you have security at schools? Yes, in areas that are known to be gun violent or gun heavy.

Should you have a 3400 people scaring children by pretending like they need people with guns around them 24/7?

No...

~Tenth

Originally posted by Monger

Originally posted by neo96

Don't think it is there is a plethora of examples to be found.

Are some youth violent sex offenders? To borrow a phrase, you betcha. Are most? Absolutely not. Saying so is just shy of retarded. It boggles the mind, the kind of ignorance that goes behind a statement like that.

edit on 2/13/2013 by Monger because: (no reason given)

Seems our government disagrees since we need more laws to stop people from hurting each other.

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Nope the facts say no sex or violent offender is in their schools.

Someone else disputing that ?

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Kali . . . Kali . . . Kali . . .

Why haven't you participated in this conversation the other few times it's come up? This is an old story that keeps getting rehashed every month . . . for the last couple of years. It's essentially BS and the local news digs at him every chance they get . . . so, every month every complaint is run on the news, as if it is "new".

Here is the last thread on this same subject . . . Also, mostly lies.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is my response for that thread . . .

As an AZ resident, I'm no fan of Sherriff Joe. That said that article is bs. The majority of the posse members are ex/retired LEOs and military. They weren't put together for this, they already existed and help out all of the time. No one says a word until now... Why? The aren't patroling the schools. They are observing from a distance, like across the street. Sheriff Joe isn't responsible for that stab about not looking for child rapists, that was bad work by CPS.

Overwhelmingly, the parents at the schools they are keeping a eye on have been appreciative of their help.

The only ones complaining are doing so on the basis that they hate Joe. Apparently, also making stuff up and calling journalism.

It's also funny that not only two years ago, this same channel was accused of always defending Arpaio and being a mouthpiece for him. Ever since they have been running a monthly story about how bad he is . . . yet, their "investigations" never seem to go anywhere past the nightly news and whatever progressive rag (Salon) that runs with the story to follow up.

Old . . . debunked . . . lies . . . that's what you are so outraged over. As I said, not a fan of his . . . but, living in AZ I can tell you if anyone really had anything on him, he would be gone by now. His opponents have been going hard after every rumor of impropriety, yet can never follow through to actual evidence.

Keep up the good fight though . . nothing like being a cyber-warrior to promote lies about the opposition.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by neo96

 

Still doesn't discount the fact that the very idea doesn't seem to bother you.

As long as you get your gun nuts like "Sheriff" Joe intimidating kids every day. Thankfully, the schools were smart not to request his "services".

Did I say it didn't bother me?

Sorry didn't know people would have to scream they were outraged thought that was common sense, but I forgot common sense isn't common in this country anymore.

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These members are not in the actual schools and do not interact with the kids . . . Any report that says otherwise is a lie.

I know . . . I see these guys every day.

Originally posted by solomons path
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

These members are not in the actual schools and do not interact with the kids . . . Any report that says otherwise is a lie.

I know . . . I see these guys every day.

I wasn't disputing that fact. I may not like Joe, but I do understand how media loves to make a mountain out of a molehill and attack people on entirely ridiculous levels.

He's been a victim of both his own stupidity and the media.

I was disputing the need to scare children by pretending they need armed guards for protection.

~Tenth

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You do have a legitmate beef here and bonus material:

Segal himself Joes trainer was accused of rape if I remember correctly.

reply to post by Rising Against

But, as I also pointed out, the issue I have is with the claims that most are this way. Again, this is incorrect. To make such a claim requires the extraordinary evidence to follow suit, Neo. See, It's because to make such a claim so boldly is just wrong and wholly unfair too. It really, really is.

Previously posted where they can find all the examples a person could ever want. This thread isn't long enough.

Youtube/facebook/ even the nightly news unfair do not think it was people think I am wrong they will, but I don't.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

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I understand your point . . . However, they aren't in full battle gear patrolling the campus. That's media hyperbole. See my response above from the previous thread on this issue, as to how they are "monitoring".

I'm willing to bet, a lot, that most kids don't even know the posse member is anywhere near there.

Also, I grew up in AZ and ALWAYS had a PHX PD officer ON campus through junior high and HS. It was normal. They parked by the office and did paperwork and would even drive around campus on a golf cart. In fact this was standard for PHX PD back then (86-96). Where were any complaints about "not feeling safe" then. Certainly none from news orgs or anti-gun crowds . . . In fact, I know Scottsdale, Chandler, Tempe, PHX always have an officer near or on campus, unless they get called away in an emergency call.

The only reason this is a story is because it is Joe . . . the stories don't even get the policies right, let alone how it's performed.

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Really? lol

But some are nervous about the idea, and even more concerned about who Arpaio authorizes to carry out actions on his behalf.

"They have guns? No, I don't like that and I can't believe something like this would be implemented without speaking to parents first," Susanne Ross told 3TV.

The posse began patrolling on Monday, and officially rolled out Wednesday, but not all school officials received advance notice.

The article was posted January 9th, not months or years ago.

Arpaio told ABC/Univision in December that it was not up for debate whether the schools had posse members posted outside.

So Schools have no choice?

Sheriff Joe says:

"It doesn't matter whether they like it or don't," he said. "I'm still going to do it. I can't imagine criticism coming when they're given free protection."

Forced patrolling of schools by volunteers with little to no background checks?

abc

Granted some of the crimes are petty, but some are not. And certainly one child sex offender getting through "screening" is more than enough to think there could be more.

reply to post by solomons path

I understand your point . . . However, they aren't in full battle gear patrolling the campus. That's media hyperbole. See my response above from the previous thread on this issue, as to how they are "monitoring".

No I didn't expect them to be all dressed up for the occasion or anything..

I'm willing to bet, a lot, that most kids don't even know the posse member is anywhere near there.

Somehow that makes it worse to me.

They have a police office in every high school in my town and we aren't that big of a place. I don't have any problem with limited police presence in schools for a variety of reasons.

I'm against groups of armed folk, that answer to no real authority, creating a situation of fear among the young in our communities. Kids aren't as stupid as we like to think they are.

The idea is is just bad and not necessary, that's my problem. I could care less who was involved.

It should not have started and now should be stopped. They are creating a situation where now there are potentially 3400 strangers with access to school grounds.

Kudos for trying to come up with a way for protecting kids though, I mean A for effort and all.

The idea is to have a visible law-enforcement presence around the schools.

Source

That's wrong, you can do that without a bunch of people. 1 or two would suffice. Trained professionals at that, make it all the better.

~Tenth

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As I said a month ago . . . the only parents that have complained do so because they hate Joe. This is not new to AZ, only new to his posse members. Yet, everyone of them that complains calls the news orgs . . . it's called vocal minority. You also don't seem to be familiar with the ongoing campaign by Hispanic groups and supporters that call the news every time the Sheriffs office starts any new program . . . whether they have to make stuff up or not . . . just, to bring more bad press against Joe.

I also didn't say that his posse has been at schools before Sandy Hook . . . Just that this complaint (Salon) is old, debunked, and rehashed for shock. However, city PD's have been on campus in full uniform at least since 86 . . . because I would see them every day.

I welcome you to come out to AZ and you and I can go visit schools all across this great state . . . And you can mark down all of the times we see any "armed presense", not wearing a city PD uniform. That way you can write your own scathing article about the evil LEO's in AZ and how they are making kids unsafe. Truth is, if any kid feels unsafe it's probably due to their parents making a big deal out of nothing and fear-mongering their kids.

Keep pumping out those lies . . . after all everyone know that AZ is just filled with right wing racists looking to scare and control everyone.

Must be why you are on this site huh . . . after all, it's based out of Scottsdale and two of the owners live in AZ (unless I'm mistaken?).

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You may not realize this . . . but, the sherrifs office is only responsible for the districts outside of any "city" boundries. They are mentioned in your last source and they are all outlying rural areas. So, again, if this is such a travesty . . . Why aren't the parents of the city schools complaining about a constant "armed presence"? The PD's are there constantly.

Also, I know the media likes to portray these guys as a rag-tag bunch of "armed" citizens . . . vigilantes if you will. But, that is not the case. The majority of posse members are retired Military and LEO's . . . the same people who would have been doing this as their sole job, a few years ago. So, now that you are retired you no longer know how to observe, report, and intercede if need be? Again, I see these guys everday in the Anthem (from your source) and Lake Pleasant area . . . doing what they do. As I said . . . before about not being around the kids anyway (from your source):

The patrols will not be on the campuses, but rather in the area surrounding the schools. The idea is to have a visible law-enforcement presence around the schools.

My biggest problem is that this doesn't seem to be a problem with any LEO, not associated with Arpaio. So, what's the difference. That this isn't a concern (armed presence) in the city (where many students come from poor neighborhoods), is very telling . . . Are the kids that go to school where PHX PD is stationed terrorized all day as well? Do we not care about their educations and emotions? Or is the real issue that Joe is a polarizing figure and people lie to try to give him bad press . . . ?

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He deserved every second of media coverage that he got, especially if it was negative.

The man is a pie-in-the-sky cowboy that instead of doing his job and representing his constituents, prefers to chase after the POTUS and pursue fame.

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I didn't see that it had been posted before and I did use the search function. However before the thread is closed I've got to say I'm stunned and that's not easy for me to be on ATS anymore.

There are plenty of very legitimate worries about Sheriff Joe, this is just the latest in a long line of them. None of which I have seen debunked as claimed by a 'non-fan'.

Armed volunteers shouldn't be creeping around schools, especially not with such shoddy background checks, I don't care how long the program has been running or how many of them are ex-LEO's. Not all of them are stand up citizens that's for damn sure and one child sex offender slipping through is one too many.

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Goodness, 3,450 armed posse? Are they volunteering to do this? And for how long are they volunteering to do this? If they aren't. where on earth is Arpaio getting the money to fund these guys??

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The thing that amazes me the most is the hypocrisy of ATS members when it comes to Arpaio. If any other law enforcement agency in the country provided mandatory armed guards there would be an uproar about fascism and talk of the NWO. However since this is Arpaio the people on here act like this is just another reason he is a hero. It just baffles me how Arpaio is able to be one of the most corrupt and despotic politicians in the country and yet garner the respect from a group of people that think every politician is bought and paid for and will label any police action whatsoever as tyranny.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by solomons path

 

I didn't see that it had been posted before and I did use the search function. However before the thread is closed I've got to say I'm stunned and that's not easy for me to be on ATS anymore.

There are plenty of very legitimate worries about Sheriff Joe, this is just the latest in a long line of them. None of which I have seen debunked as claimed by a 'non-fan'.

Armed volunteers shouldn't be creeping around schools, especially not with such shoddy background checks, I don't care how long the program has been running or how many of them are ex-LEO's. Not all of them are stand up citizens that's for damn sure and one child sex offender slipping through is one too many.

But, that's just it . . . there aren't "armed volunteers creeping around schools". They are doing the same thing they do every day . . . asked to patrol a certain area, due to lack of actual "deputies". The media wants to paint them as such, but they won't even be on the campuses or interacting with anyone that isn't breaking the law. The point is to have someone in the area, if any calls come from a school. I don't expect you to know the exact procedures of this because all you have to go on is media hit pieces and Joe does himself no favors by how he responds to questions.

However, my offer stands. Come on out to AZ . . . weather in the mid -70's . . . we can start up north in Anthem, New River . . . and work our way south to Queen Creek. You can write a follow up article for Salon, detailing the insidious threat of these "armed volunteers".

I've voted against Joe in every election his name has been in . . . but, this is not one of the programs that should be getting chastised. Birther stuff, his attitude, etc . . . he deserves every ounce of criticism coming his way.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Kali74

 

The thing that amazes me the most is the hypocrisy of ATS members when it comes to Arpaio. If any other law enforcement agency in the country provided mandatory armed guards there would be an uproar about fascism and talk of the NWO. However since this is Arpaio the people on here act like this is just another reason he is a hero. It just baffles me how Arpaio is able to be one of the most corrupt and despotic politicians in the country and yet garner the respect from a group of people that think every politician is bought and paid for and will label any police action whatsoever as tyranny.

Only this program isn't like anything you just described and as I have said . . . the city PD's have been doing this at schools for over 2 decades.

But, if you want to believe lies in the media, for affect . . . sure, run with it.