"Prophecy of the Popes" By St. Malachy - Exposed?

Wikipedia link en.wikipedia.org...
Another good link www.catholictradition.org...
One More www.remnantofgod.org...

Let's start and focus on only the two last "prophecies".

266: The Glory Of the Olive

Which is attributed to the still current Pope, Ratzinger.

The Order of St. Benedict has claimed by tradition that this Pope will come from within the Order; St. Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of world comes about, his Order will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil; The Order of St. Benedict is also known as the OLIVETANS .

Too bad that Ratzinger is NOT from the Order of St Benedict, therefore he certainly also does not "come from within the order". The Pope choose his name for other reasons, to which comes from the Latin word meaning "the blessed", in honour of both Pope Benedict XV and Saint Benedict of Nursia.

Since the still-pope does NOT come from the order of St. Benedict, the entire explanation of that "prophecy" and the interpretation of what "The Glory of the Olive" is supposed to mean is entirely unclear.

Saying that the prophecy is "correct" based on the Pope's chosen name and the link to the order and the name for the order "Olivetans" to me seems VERY FAR FETCHED.

268: In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis.

It's almost funny how there is discrepancies about this last prophecy. Wikipedia splits it up into two:

In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit.
Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis

while other sources citing the entire text as one. My rather limited knowledge of Latin makes me believe that this is one text and I don't know why Wikipedia splits it up in two. Looking for an "original" source of the text is difficult seeing that St. Malachy lived in the 11th century.

"In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus"

"S.R.E" stands for Holy Roman Church. This line can be read as "in final/extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church reigns Petrus Romanus"

others read it like

"In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman"

which is a difference, although a subtle one.

In that last prophecy, "Iudex tremêdus" is sometimes translated as the "dreadful judge"....and sometimes as "formidable judge".

Who is that supposed to be? God? So what, is he a dreadful judge or a formidable judge?

If a "dreadful judge" is judging his people it sounds like some apocalyptic scenario where God then judges all the sinners (when all the tribulations are done with)....and when I read it as "formidable judge" it sounds more like something positive where at the end justice is being served.

HOWEVER - the biggest problem is that the last prophecy was not even prophesied by St. Malachy, but according to some, added later (in the 19th century) to the "prophecy" by the Order of St. Benedict because they did not want one of theirs being the last pope, so they added this last sentence.

Point here:

If I read those two "prophecies" I have problems attributing that one to the current pope, and the last one gets even more suspicious knowing that it wasn't even prophesied in the first place, rather added in later.

The general consensus is that Malachy made no such prophecy, the primary evidence being that the "mottos" prior to the claimed discovery of the text are pretty much spot on, while those for Popes who were elected after the discovery largely require a bit of a stretch.

The technical term is Postdiction.

i think it will be peter turkson

His list of coming popes is very old so everyone would have noticed if it suddenly changed.

In my eyes, St Malachy is the one and only proof of the "paranormal" and skeptics just sound silly trying to disprove.

a reply to: zipang00

Take note that the current english wikipedia is mighty weird

heres one of the weird negative things said:
"Efforts to connect the prophecies to historical popes who were elected after its publication have been more strained.[6][7][12] For example, Pope Clement XIII is referred to in a prophecy as Rosa Umbriae (the rose of Umbria), but was not from Umbria nor had any but the most marginal connection with the region, having been briefly pontifical governor of Rieti, at the time part of Umbria."
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So Barack Obama/Cheney/whatever & USA or Detroit only has a semi quasi "marginal connection" too then, ok whatever you say, thanks for the facts.