No Proof is NO PROOF for Inexistence of God.

reply to post by sajuek

Originally posted by sajuek

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sajuek

 

I ask more than enough annoying questions

I've fixed your post for you.

And yes, I'll give you that much.

So I ask the annoying questions, and you post the immature posts. Good to see we understand one another. Oh, and I edited my post back to the way it was - before you decided to express your disdain for my personality.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sajuek

 

I have theories, ideas, and opinions. I have educated guesswork and substantial suspicions. In other words, I have everything I need to build a fairly solid case supporting whatever idea I happen to be defending at the time.

So no, I don't have any degrees. But I have a discerning mind that can ask more than enough annoying questions to make up for that.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

I was speaking to people at work yesterday and they said anyone who thinks love is an 'intangible idea' can't have any children.

Tell them I said that if they have ever held pure, raw love in their hands, they should see a doctor for their schizophrenia. And how many of those people hold degrees in philosophy, chemistry, or psychology? Any of them?

I would appreciate if you'd limit your guinea pigs to the unbiased, professional variety - because I can inject any of those people with a chemical compound that would make them fall in love with a dead porcupine. See what they think of love then.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Are radio waves an "intangible idea"? You cannot hold them in your hands either.

Very poor argument there.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Are radio waves an "intangible idea"? You cannot hold them in your hands either.

Very poor argument there.

Not poor at all. See, radio waves are information, just like emotions. An electrical signal that produces a particular response in the machinery that catches and translates it - much like the biology of our bodies. Radio waves can be produced, if given the right set of tools. And love can also be produced, given the right chemistry set.

In that line of thought, it could be said that love is no more genuine or thoughtful than Viagra or a select pheromone. So radio waves cannot be held in your hands. But you can hold the device that transmits them. Likewise, you can hold the chemicular compound for inducing infatuation. Is it genuine? Is it authentic? Will it produce the same emotions you experience when you hold your wife while dancing?

Maybe. Maybe not. The fact remains the radio waves are both an idea and an object, a measurable force. The object is defined by the idea, and the idea defines the object. Love is defined by how we feel about it, and how we feel about ti defines how we look at love.

There's a huge difference between the concept and the product. You can see it every time you draw a picture. It looks fantastic in your mind, but then you look at the paper and think, "What the hell did I just draw?"

reply to post by AfterInfinity


But you implied that if someone couldn't hold something in their hand that it wasn't real or they had a mental disorder.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

But you implied that if someone couldn't hold something in their hand that it wasn't real or they had a mental disorder.

No, I am saying that the ability to express or create something based on an intangible idea produced within our imagination makes us akin to gods.

Ideas are intangible. When they are perceived in the physical world, it is only an expression or representation. The ideas in my mind, the ideas represented by these words, each word with its own particular function and identity, are intangible. These letters and words were assigned to these ideas so that they could be communicated, creating the groundwork for recording history and the progress of the imagination. Building the future.

This is what makes us gods, the ability to create using only the power of the mind. Everything that exists today, was made possible using our imagination. Without our mind, everything simply exists. There is no meaning, no direction, no change, because we wouldn't be able to imagine change, wouldn't desire it.

That is my point. If there is any god at all, it exists within us as a collective. If you need evidence of that, look around you and try to visualize where we would be without imagination. The stone age? They were making tools. The bronze age? They were still making tools. The dark ages? They were busy terrifying themselves and each other with their ignorant imagination.

How far back would you have to go to find mankind without imagination, without any form of seeing what might be or could be? That's my point. Godliness exists within us, not outside.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


To you love is an intangible idea. You have never felt love.

I feel love.

Sorry you will never change my mind on that one.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Tell them I said that if they have ever held pure, raw love in their hands, they should see a doctor for their schizophrenia. And how many of those people hold degrees in philosophy, chemistry, or psychology? Any of them?

I would appreciate if you'd limit your guinea pigs to the unbiased, professional variety - because I can inject any of those people with a chemical compound that would make them fall in love with a dead porcupine. See what they think of love then.

edit on 22-2-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

I don't need to tell them anything more about what you write - they laughed enough when I told them you believe love is an 'intangible idea'
Do you actually know anything about the condition of 'schizophrenia' ?
And you have no idea what type of people I work with.

So this injection you have that makes people fall in love with a dead porcupine - how does it make a person 'feel'?

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Is hunger and thirst an intangible idea in your opinion?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I have copied and pasted this for your information:

Is love an idea, a feeling, an act, a state of being or a construct? Does love exist?

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

Imagine an invisible, undetectable force that's powerful
enough to override your sense of reason yet draws you
to someone with an almost animal passion. These aren't
Cupid's mythological arrows, but real shots of human
pheromones.

health.discovery.com...…

Welcome to The Scent of Eros:
Mysteries of Odor in Human Sexuality -

'Scientists in Philadelphia have established for the first
time that the human body produces pheromones, special
aromatic chemical compounds discharged by one individual
that affect the sexual physiology of another'....

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Do pheromones work in human sexual attraction?

They may be odorless and colorless and their function may be
mysterious, but human pheromones at last have the zest of
scientific truth. Researchers at the University of Chicago
have demonstrated that compounds swabbed from the
'underarms' of young women at different times of the month
can alter the length of other women's menstrual cycles,
compressing or expanding the cycles in predictable
fashion....

www.ishipress.com...

www.cnn.com...…

What is the force that lights the fuse between two
complete strangers? What current pulses through their veins,
engorges their hearts, occupies their minds and numbs their
texting fingers? Ah, if only

I knew. As magic formulas go, sexual chemistry must surely
be the most valuable. It's intoxicating effects are more
pleasurable and more powerful than any drug and when it hits,
it hits hard. There are the rushes of ecstacy, the gut wrenching
anticipation, fluttering, dizziness, and the diminished
concentration that turns day-dreaming into a full-time job.
And then there are the side effects. A positively Colombian
annihilation of appetite and its confidence- boosting by-product,
weight loss. And it is free. And it is legal. It is bloody amazing.

But no one knows what "it" is. Scientists have managed to
map our genetic blueprint. They understand the subtleties
of hormones and the complexities of the emotional brain.
But the thing that makes two people click remains a mystery.
Theories abound as to what, or why. Those looking for a
magic bullet (or Cupid's arrow) tend to favour the notion
of pheromones - scents secreted by the sweat glands in the
'armpits' and pubic hair. And the relatively recent discovery
of the vomeronasal organ, a small chemo-sensory structure in
the human nose, lends the concept some weight.

findarticles.com...…

Science of Love - Cupid's Chemistry:

There are, in fact, three distinct stages of love; each with
their own characteristic emotional profile and scientific explanation.

First is lust. Lust is driven by our sex hormones testosterone
and oestrogen. These hormones are what get us 'out on the pull'.
After lust comes attraction. This is the love-struck phase;
the time when we lose our appetite, can't sleep, and can't
concentrate. This is what we know as falling in love.

www.thenakedscientists.com...…

From yahoo answers.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Imagine an invisible, undetectable force that's powerful
enough to override your sense of reason yet draws you
to someone with an almost animal passion. These aren't
Cupid's mythological arrows, but real shots of human
pheromones.

That is lust.... Not Love...

"animal attraction"...

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Imagine an invisible, undetectable force that's powerful
enough to override your sense of reason yet draws you
to someone with an almost animal passion. These aren't
Cupid's mythological arrows, but real shots of human
pheromones.

That is lust.... Not Love...

"animal attraction"...

edit on 23-2-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

Do you have the opinion that 'love' or lust are intangible 'ideas'?
Does one have 'lust' for their child or 'love' ?

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Science of Love - Cupid's Chemistry:

There are, in fact, three distinct stages of love; each with
their own characteristic emotional profile and scientific explanation.

First is lust. Lust is driven by our sex hormones testosterone
and oestrogen. These hormones are what get us 'out on the pull'.
After lust comes attraction. This is the love-struck phase;
the time when we lose our appetite, can't sleep, and can't
concentrate. This is what we know as falling in love.

www.thenakedscientists.com...…

What about this which is in the same post you replied to?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Imagine an invisible, undetectable force that's powerful
enough to override your sense of reason yet draws you
to someone with an almost animal passion. These aren't
Cupid's mythological arrows, but real shots of human
pheromones.

That is lust.... Not Love...

"animal attraction"...

edit on 23-2-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

Whatever name you give 'it', is it an intangible idea?
Or is it actually experienced bodily? Felt.

Or do you have nothing more to add. Aferinfinity and I are trying to ascertain whether 'love' (or 'lust' to you) is an 'intangible idea'.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Love is not lust. Lust means I want to have sexual intercourse with you. Love means...well, it means something different for everybody.

But love is intangible. Like I explained to typical, you may come across physical expressions of it, physical representations, just like you are reading these words - which are physical representations of ideas arranged in order to convey a particular meaning. But in the end, they are only facsimiles of an idea that is trapped in your skull. And try as you might, you can only settle for a rough sketch of what is in there. But some people...some people can translate it to another medium and make it just as beautiful as the original idea. They know how best to translate without making sacrifices. These are people who are able to discern the workings of the universe, and when they speak, their eloquence forms phrases that hold the spark of imagination and truth even to this day.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Ok I understand that you may believe love is an intangible idea. If you have never felt it, or experienced then that would be your conclusion.
I feel love.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Are fear, hunger and thirst 'intangible ideas'' in your opinion?
Is lust an intangible idea?

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Are fear, hunger and thirst 'intangible ideas'' in your opinion?
Is lust an intangible idea?

i·de·a
/īˈdēə/
Noun

A thought or suggestion as to a possible course of action: "the idea of linking pay to performance".
A concept or mental impression.

in·tan·gi·ble
/inˈtanjəbəl/
Adjective
Unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence: "cyberspace or anything else so intangible".

ex·pres·sion
noun ik-ˈspre-shən
Definition of EXPRESSION
1
a : an act, process, or instance of representing in a medium (as words) : utterance
b (1) : something that manifests, embodies, or symbolizes something else (2) : a significant word or phrase (3) : a mathematical or logical symbol or a meaningful combination of symbols (4) : the detectable effect of a gene; also : expressivity 1
2
a : a mode, means, or use of significant representation or symbolism; especially : felicitous or vivid indication or depiction of mood or sentiment

I cannot be any clearer. You have asked me the same question several times, and the above definitions make my meaning as clear as can possibly be. Ideas are intangible. This does not make them any less real, but yes, they are intangible. Emotions are ideas. The only tangible aspect of emotions is how they are expressed in the physical world, also known as "translation".

Should I post the meaning of translation as well?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Are you saying that fear, thirst and hunger are 'intangible ideas? Not sure from your post with definitions on it whether you answered yes or no. Could you clarify? Are they not felt? And acted upon?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

Ok I understand that you may believe love is an intangible idea. If you have never felt it, or experienced then that would be your conclusion.
I feel love.

edit on 23-2-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

reply to post by AfterInfinity


If you believe that thirst and hunger are ideas (just thoughts) then you have no feeling in your body.