Lighting strikes Dome of St. Peter's same day Pope Benedict XVI announces resignation

reply to post by flexy123

Yeh, seriously, it doesn't happen all the time. Furthermore, that building is extremely old and valuable... And if I'm not mistaken is lined with gold. They would want a lightening rod just in case lightening should hit it, to minimize damage to a monumental structure.

That... And it came on the day of the announcement. So there is special timing involved, which must be considered. Im not saying "it was a sign from god," but I habe to admit the odds are pretty dang high.

Not to mention, compared to weather in the US, Italy has, on average, far less electrical activity in its storms

Originally posted by Aqualung2012
reply to post by Observor

 

Yeah, Pietro Evasio is practically Ratzingers bff. They go way back... So not only do we have peter turkson as a poster child for the prophecy, but a Peter is actually THE front runner for the position.

So why is it some of you are so sure it wont be? I really feel like some of you either cannot grasp the odds at play here, or are simply toooooooooo weary to face it square on.

What if the "coincidences" are deliberate acts at fulfilling the prophecy? It appears the prophecy itself didn't see much fulfilment until recently, definitely not soon after it was revealed. The current pope had no connections to olives (which should be as per the prophecy) until he became the Pope and chose the title 'Benedict'. The fact that that very choice was making him fulfil the prophecy could not have been lost on the Holy Father.

There appears to be a deliberate design within the RCC to fulfil the prophecy in recent times. So I won't be suprised to see a person with a name 'Peter' or another variant becoming the next pope or the next incumbent chosing the title 'Peter' after election (although the latter is extremely unlikely).

I am much less certain about why the RCC would attempt to fulfil this prophecy. However, I don't expect either the RCC or the world to come to an end any time soon.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
What I want to know is.... if these prophecies are true.... why are the Religious people... Catholics, Christians, Muslims... whatever, letting it happen?

Surely they could easily stop this takeover by the Anti-Christ if they believe it is so??

No, absolutely not. Any Christian WANTS to see the antichrist, and the prophecy unfold, because naturally, that would add credence to their faith and to the legitimacy of "divine prophesy." (which is precisely what the Bible is centered upon)

That said, I imagine the leaders of such an establishment would undoubtedly take painstaking efforts to adhere as closely and a shockingly to the prophecy as possible.

(concerning the above comment by Observer, heh, you can see that I agree with you here)

However, it begs the question: what is contrived and what its beyond the manipulations of the most deluded and wealthy group the world had every known?

Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by Observor

 

Dan Brown writes fiction. Interesting yes but still fiction. Go look for a Robert Langdon that is a symboligist and you will only find him between the covers of Dans books. Hey Stephen King wrote end of the world stuff too. We better start looking for that walking dude too huh? Bring on Captain Trips then.

Sure Dan Brown writes fiction. Also all fiction contains some fact. I was referring merely to the Vatican protocols that Dan Brown claims in his book 'Angels and Demons', according to which papal authority formally rests with the dead Pope's Camerlengo until the next Pope is elected. May be such a protocol exists, may be it doesn't. Even if it did, it still may not apply in this case since Pope Benedict XVI isn't dead, he has resigned and hence that particular bit may not apply.

Not having the knowledge of applicable Vatican protocols in the current case, I simply was throwing an interesting possibility up for discussion/refutal.

Evidently you don't possess the knowledge to refute/confirm either.

reply to post by Observor


Yes, the Camerlengo does assume the duties of the pope during the period between elections, that is a fact. Yes, a man named Peter is Benedicts Camerlengo... So we can say confidently, without a doubt, based on facts, that:

Peter WILL be the name of the next man to execute the role of the pope, regardless of the election. (which he will probably win, based on a multitude of factors stated previously herein)

Originally posted by Thought Provoker
reply to post by Aqualung2012

 

Cardinal Bertone is the most politically-powerful Cardinal. He's the Vatican's Secretary of State. He's been around for more than 20 years, working from the inside. He and Ratzinger go way back. He's not from Rome, so he's not literally "Roman," but he was born in a place called "Romano Canavese," up near Turin, so he could still be called Peter the Roman I suppose. He was also the main target of the "Vatileaks" scandal, exposing Vatican corruption in their financial dealings; Bertone suppressed the whistleblower, the now-infamous butler of Benedict who says he was trying to protect the Pope. Bertone even hired Fox News to do "damage control" and tried to blackmail journalists to shut them up. He's as evil as they come.

Whether he ends up the next Pope or not, he damn sure wants to be. And he has the influence to pull it off. Turkson is a nobody compared to him.

Oh, PS: have you been watching all the MSM speculation about Who Will Become Pope? Even though Bertone is on the official list, I have yet to hear them mention him as a possibility. They're trying to keep him out of the public eye, for Some Reason. That makes his "election" even more likely to me.

edit on 2/12/2013 by Thought Provoker because: PS

Some news that points to Cardinal Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone as the likely
canditate. ( Not making a prediction here just passing on some facts)

Tarcisio was born in Romano Canavese, Piedmont.
Along with being the current secretary of state for the Vatican, he is European.
When Benedict XVI chose Bertone as Secretary of State, this was according to some,
stacking the deck.

Here is how; The Vatican's college of cardinals, which elects the new pope,
is dominated by cardinals from Europe, currently at 51%.
Europeans likely will vote for a European.

Pope Benedict XVI in November 2012, amidst criticism appointed six priests from
Non European countries, however in February 2012 he had already created 22 new
cardinals, including 16 Europeans, seven of whom were Italian...this still leaves
Europeans dominant, currently number over half of all cardinal-electors, 67 out of 125.
Nearly a quarter of all voters in the conclave will be Italian.
Source

One other item of interest, and intrigue. Bertone has been with Benedict, involved
with the leaks, * some of which claim that they together are continuing to
cover up the truth about The Third Secret of Fatima, in which supposedly
children saw a vision which included The Apocalypse and a great Apostasy.

Agian, not saying this makes it a sealed deal, if there is a cover up, and its
a really big deal, this could also be a reason Bertone might be elected, to carry
the secret. Another Source

www.fatimacrusader.com...

It is also said that Bertone is a Freemason, and has been photgraphed
making the classic Masonic handshake, and he was the center of controversy
over placing the The Nativity Scene in Nazareth, rather than Bethleham.

After Benedict corrected this amidst a fury, a broken column was left in
the Nativity, which some say is an Illuminati move.

freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com...

I am not religious at all, but I believe in God.


I also have read a fare share of the bible, and NONE of this whole BS structure and voting and popes and priests and nuns,garbage is ANYWHERE in there!

They made it all up

this next Pope is not supposed to be the "Anti-Christ".

The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

I believe this means he will be the last pope, but he will take care of his church in the time of the Anti-Christ.

Originally posted by Tardacus
Lightening strikes at the vatican seem to be pretty common, a very quick look at google brought up a lot of reports, here`s a few of them:

June 29, 1995, Patriarch Bartholomew then asked Christians to pray and fast to oppose the power of the Devil and to drive out demons. At that exact moment, all the faithful were startled by a lightning bolt which struck the basilica, followed by a violent summer storm.

The Glasgow Herald
December 22 1938, Rome Wednesday, A thunderstorm passing over rome this evening.A lightening rod in the vatican was struck and a number of windows and doors were shattered.

Toledo Blade
March 8 1976 Vatican City: Lightening struck vatican city saturday night and chopped an arm off of one of the 140 marble statues topping the famous colonnades in St. Peters square.

It took about 1 minute to find those 3 I`m sure a longer search will reveal a lot more.

My god you're right! That's at least, ...what... once every 20-40 years or so?

That's practically every other day!

Actually, maybe that works out to be closer to once per pope, no?

Not saying this is anything but a coincidence-- how would I know? It does seem a little freaky, though.

Pope resigns: Peter Turkson reveals vision for the Church and 'alternative lifestyles'

The cardinal who could become the first black pope said Tuesday that the Roman Catholic Church faces grave challenges in remaining relevant in the modern world even as he laid out a conservative vision of how to deal with society's "alternative lifestyles".

Two reasons for posting - one to keep the information coming and two - didn't someone here in this thread say/post something about the 'last Pope' being the 'son of a Turk'?

If that's here in this thread would someone please point out the post - I can't find it and would like to ask for some verification on that point.

Also - it's interesting (to me at least) in this article - either one, the journalist who wrote it took a lot of poetic licensee with the quotes - OR - this guy is talking like he's already the new Pope!

peace

Lightening has been striking the Vatican for years. Here are some folks talking about it in 1999.

boards.straightdope.com...

This is normal, It didn't have anything to do with the Pope and vice versa.

Originally posted by Thought Provoker

Originally posted by Aqualung2012

 

What do you predict may happen, if anything?

I predict that sin and apostasy will increase until God puts a stop to it. I predict that men of power will do anything to stay in power. I predict that Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled, in brief. Anything else is supposition, theoretical, not a prediction. I assume JP II will be raised from the dead by satanic forces because it's just about the only thing I can think of that would make a Jew or Muslim or Buddhist decide to change their religious beliefs, but it's only an assumption. For all I know, aliens could come down and pretend to be Christ. (The Vatican is not without UFO sightings.) Someone is going to pretend to be Christ, and someone else will pretend to be Elijah, and they'll both be satanic. Those are not assumptions; they're scripture. How it comes to pass can't be predicted, really. Prophecy exists so we'll recognize it when it happens, not so we'll know what will happen and when.

do you find any merit in the odd occurrences surrounding this whole event? In other words, if you believe it all to be a set up, are you saying these things are mere coincidence?

Hmmm. Well, it's hardly unusual for lightning to strike a lightning rod. It's not necessarily a Sign From God (though it sure ain't from Mary), but it's inappropriate to apply Matthew 24:27 ("so shall the coming of the Son of Man be") to the event, because HIS coming won't be for quite a while. A lot has to happen first. The lightning is probably just coincidence. Who can say?

But I do know (thanks to Revelation 17) that Benedict was the last Pope before the Antichrist. He was the seventh king. In other words, his death or resignation was always going to mark the beginning of the end, and I've been waiting for it. It all goes to hell any day now. The first Seal is already broken.

The question came up earlier as to the origin of the prophecy regarding the last pope being "the son of a turk." I can't seen to find any information on it except that its "another prophecy." Any idea?

Malachy's prophecy doesn't mention Turks or a "Black Pope." Let me see if I can find the origin... oh, good lord, it's Nostradamus. Century 6, quatrain 16:

That which will be carried off by the young Hawk,
By the Normans of France and Picardy:
The black ones of the temple of the Black Forest place
Will make an inn and fire of Lombardy.

How you get from that to "Black Pope" is a mystery to me. I can find nothing about any prophecy regarding him being the son of the Turks (or the Ottomans). Maybe people are equating "Black" with "Turkish"... which is silly. But it's all silly, isn't it? Malachy and the Bible have proven accurate so far; nothing else really has. To me, Bertone is a lot more likely than Turkson, for many reasons. But time will tell.

To OP, the above is thw closest this thread had come to an answer to the "son of a Turk" phrase.

The meaning is obvious. G-d hates lightning rods.

Or the devil loves them. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by hidingthistime
I am not religious at all, but I believe in God.


I also have read a fare share of the bible, and NONE of this whole BS structure and voting and popes and priests and nuns,garbage is ANYWHERE in there!

They made it all up

htt,

Maybe you don't realize, the Bible is a Catholic book.

The Protestant heresies aren't "ANYWHERE in there" but that didn't stop the revolters starting in 1517.

Bible Alone = not true

Faith Alone = not true

Christ "imputes" His perfect righteous and perfect sacrifice onto you and you are saved = not true

man is completely depraved = not true

OSAS = not true

reply to post by silo13


The Pope is bad news.
The lightning is probably Gods Eviction notice.LOL!
No coincidence here.

reply to post by Observor


Yea, pope" Benedict " Arnold. What an evil dark human being.
Only religion can fool the faithful. The pope, the church, and all
of its Ostrich's.

Well, color me intrigued. It seems like good ol' White Beard does have a fantastic sense of humor. Now if you will excuse me, I will be preparing for the horseman of the apocalypse.

Ok so I'm a little giddy - and ashamed of myself.

I was reading all through the net about ‘end times’ yesterday.
I’m pretty convinced the whole Pope thing holds some water - if not in a leaky bucket - but there is something to it.
Meaning - if the next Pope is Peter Romanus we‘re headed for the ‘big ride‘ or our lives.

Why? Because all religion aside - I do believe in the power of GOOD and EVIL and I really do believe there is a world/cosmic fight between the two. Which one the RCC happens to be I’ll leave up to your opinion.

So, now after reading a bunch a good stuff (and garbage) about the ‘end times’ - including the whole METEOR part of it - the crash in Russia injuring/killing 400.

Wow.

Back to why I’m ashamed? Because I’m intrigued. Because I want to see it happen. I want to be a part of the ‘big change’ and/or the end times. And that’s just wrong. Way wrong in my opinion so shame on me.

The ‘end times’? If anything is going to cause a lot of people (including me) a LOT of pain and suffering. So what in the hell is wrong with me that I want to see it happen? Have I watched too much television and FORGET that when all the chaos begins - I can’t just change the channel or turn off the boob-tube and go outside?

I’m a wretch.

But a very intrigued one!

peace