Famous Egyptian Preacher: Raping Women in Tahrir Square is Justified

Story in Al Arabiya translated to English

Well Known Egyptian Preacher - Raping Women in Tahir Square is Justified

A well-known Egyptian Salafi preacher, Ahmad Mahmoud Abdullah, known as “Abu Islam,” posted an online video on Wednesday on his private television channel in which he said the women protesters who were raped and sexually harassed in Cairo’s Tahrir Square got what they deserved. He called them “crusaders” who “have no shame, no fear and not even feminism.”

Abu Islam continued: “They tell you women are a red line. They tell you that naked women -- who are going to Tahrir Square because they want to be raped -- are a red line! And they ask Mursi and the Brotherhood to leave power!”

And here is a quote from him -

He stated that the women were not assembled to protest, but instead wanted to be raped:

They have no shame, no fear and not even feminism. Practice your feminism, sheikha! It is a legitimate right for you to be a woman. And by the way, 90 percent of them are crusaders and the remaining 10 percent are widows who have no one to control them. You see women talking like monsters … You see a woman with this fuzzy hair! A devil! Devils called women. Learn from Muslim women, learn and be Muslims. There are Muslims and Muslimix

I think the translation was really .. 'practice your femininity' .. not 'feminism'

Last week we had a famous Saudi preacher get away with raping, torturing and murdering his 5 year old daughter. This week we get an Egyptian preacher screaming that women protesters want to be raped. Both using Islam as an excuse for their psychopathic sex-obsessed violent behavior. In the past we've heard from Imams who teach and preach about the proper way to beat women .. also using Islam as an excuse. More psychopathic sex-obsessed violent behavior towards women.

Christian churches - both Catholic and Protestant - have their fair share of problems with sexual predators. Children and women taken advantage of by rogue priests or ministers who prey upon those who are supposed to be in their care. Fortunately, when the law enforcement authorities find out about them, these people are prosecuted to the fullest extent possible AND the 'followers' of those people usually run as fast as possible to get away from them.

Some compare these Islamic preachers to the wayward Mormon cult leader Warren Jeffs and the Westboro Baptist 'Church'?? They are disgusting for sure, but I don't know if we can compare these situations to the situations of the Middle East preachers. Warren Jeffs is being prosecuted. The Westboro Baptist 'Church' has a very small band of followers and it hasn't broken any laws nor has it called for any laws to be broken (that I know of). Neither the Egyptian preacher calling for women to be raped nor the Saudi preacher who raped, tortured and murdered his 5 year old little girl are being prosecuted and both are still very popular.

What is it that makes these violently anti-woman psychotics popular? Why do people buy into their misogynistic crap? Is it because they claim to be speaking for allah or god? Is it because they use guilt to control people? Why can't people see how evil these 'famous preachers' really are? Jeff Warrens still has some people who buy into his sexual deviant cult. Not many ... but there are some. I can't help but think that those who still buy into it must be as sick (or brainwashed) as Jeff Warrens. Same with the men in the Middle East who are making this Egyptian preacher and the Saudi preacher 'popular'. They must be as sick and/or brainwashed as the 'preachers'.

It's frustrating and sickening that they still are 'popular'.
Anyways .. I don't get it .. WHY are these Saudi and Egyptian preachers so 'popular'??

The better question is: Why do Muslim women continue to put up with this? Muslim women leave area, only Muslim men left. 1 generation later - no crazy womanizing religion.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

In the past we've heard from Imams who teach and preach about the proper way to beat women .. also using Islam as an excuse. More psychopathic sex-obsessed violent behavior towards women.

Actually, Islam makes it clear that its ok to hit your wife, but only if she is disobedient

Koran 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Koran 4:34

Muhammad himself, blessed be his name, struck his favorite wife Aisah for leaving the house without his permission.

Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Hadith

The Koran makes it clear that it is fine to strike your wife. Muhammad, who according to Islamic doctrine led the 'perfect' life, did so himself. Perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised that some modern day Imans take such a misogynous perspective on women.

A well-known Egyptian Salafi preacher, Ahmad Mahmoud Abdullah, known as “Abu Islam,” posted an online video on Wednesday on his private television channel in which he said the women protesters who were raped and sexually harassed in Cairo’s Tahrir Square got what they deserved.

He called them “crusaders” who “have no shame, no fear and not even feminism.”

The key thing here is he called them 'crusaders'. In other words, enemies of Islam. The Koran makes it clear that female POWs can be raped by the soldiers of Muhammad.

Specifically, the Koran speaks of Muhammad's soldiers raping the captured women of male POWs they had taken captive in battle. The Muslim soldiers were naturally uncomfortable raping women in front of their POW husbands.

Luckily, a verse came down from Allah, through Muhammad, authorizing Muhammad's soldiers to rape the women.

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Koran 4:24

It should be noted that the phrase "those whom your right hands possess" means captured women.

Allah in the Koran did authorize Muhammad's men to rape women captured in battle.

It isn't so surprising that some modern Imans speak of the rape of 'crusader' women in Tahir Square as being justified.

reply to post by ollncasino


Also the bible says many things to harm women.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."


(Deuteronomy 22:28)"
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

My point is the quicker we forget all those dusty old books or the Abrahamic Religions the better for women it will be, before the masculine Gods we have now we worshiped female Gods.
People who follow any religious book to the letter or uses a book to justify hurting women needs a good slap.

Originally posted by ollncasino
The key thing here is he called them 'crusaders'. In other words, enemies of Islam.

Which is absurd. Muslim women protesting bad laws in their country or protesting corruption in the government of their country ... they are not 'enemies of Islam'. Women are smart. Women can see bad government happening just as much as a man can.

I think this Egyptian preacher is afraid of women.
He wants to keep them subservient.

The Koran makes it clear that female POWs can be raped by the soldiers of Muhammad.

Yes. How convenient for misogynistic and violent psychopathic men ....

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Also the bible says many things to harm women.

Moses in the Old Testament was a real gem .. wasn't he?? He told the Jews that they couldn't commit adultry and they couldn't murder .. but then went and told his soldiers to mass murder ALL the enemy, including the children, but that they could keep the teenage girls (as sex toys) for themselves.

You are right .. clinging to the Abrahamic old books is NOT compatible with the year 2013.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Anyways .. I don't get it .. WHY are these Saudi and Egyptian preachers so 'popular'??

Because they're preachers, you said it. That are devoted to god/allah/yahweh, they translate the deities words and laws, they are the medium to the omnipresent being. Thats why..

Why don't they just leave the country?

Well.. it aint that easy for one and most people are also not smart enough to break free from they're religious constraints. I'm not saying that as an opinion, its a fact.. Most people are religious, scientists and highly intelligent individuals tend not to be.

I think women should just stay out of Tahir Square for now.

If Antoine Dodson can rightfully persuade people not to come into an area because "they're raping everybody up in here" then you have to agree with the preachers. Women keep getting raped during the protest, its common knowledge, you go in Tahir Square your asking for it. I get that.

It just sounds more like a warning to me than it does free for all rape permission being granted in Tahir Square.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Really good documentary here on how we used to follow female gods until the men took over and made Gods into war like gods.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Also the bible says many things to harm women.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."


(Deuteronomy 22:28)"
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

My point is the quicker we forget all those dusty old books or the Abrahamic Religions the better for women it will be, before the masculine Gods we have now we worshiped female Gods.
People who follow any religious book to the letter or uses a book to justify hurting women needs a good slap.

edit on 10-2-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Good find there 'bravo' probably one of the best posts of the week.. star to you sir..

Originally posted by ollncasino

Muhammad himself, blessed be his name, struck his favorite wife Aisah for leaving the house without his permission.

Yeah well -- Mohammad should try that s**t with my ole lady. Prophet or not, he'd end up with a butter knife in his ...... brain.

reply to post by FlyersFan


God! he's in the wrong religion, he's a prime candidate for recruitment into the Catholic Church.

I like how you idiots missinterpret Verses of the Quran, Bring false Hadiths and sometimes edit them. And then you bring something that's totally out of context and claim it's what Islam is. You don't know who the Egyptian government is and neither the people. You'll never know, because your sitting behind a computer taking conclussions with refference to conspiracy sites which probably never tell the truth. And then you expect not to be hit back by what you say?

Some people in this forum have the pure intention of trying to ruin religion for the rest of humanity, the so called devil minions. Islam provides nothing other than peace, Those who want dissorder and confusing can forget democracy, because animals don't know what democracy is.

reply to post by Misbah


"Islam provides nothing more than peace". Not for its women, who want to live as equals. Rather than that, they still have men treating them like dogs. They are not pets, they are people of equal worth who should have an equal voice in their society. Anything less is forbidden - forbidden by common sense and by truly peaceful people.

Originally posted by Misbah
I like how you idiots missinterpret Verses of the Quran, Bring false Hadiths and sometimes edit them. And then you bring something that's totally out of context and claim it's what Islam is. You don't know who the Egyptian government is and neither the people. You'll never know, because your sitting behind a computer taking conclussions with refference to conspiracy sites which probably never tell the truth. And then you expect not to be hit back by what you say?

Some people in this forum have the pure intention of trying to ruin religion for the rest of humanity, the so called devil minions. Islam provides nothing other than peace, Those who want dissorder and confusing can forget democracy, because animals don't know what democracy is.

I agreed with your first paragraph, but not the second. Islam,like any other monotheistic religion, encourages war. Not just any war, but HOLY war, with an obvious "good guys is us" vs. "bad guys is non-believers" paradigm. No belief system that encourages such hatred and fanaticism belongs within humanity.

Truly disgusting.

I guess it just goes to show that the more times change, the more they stay the same.

Hopefully there are more of us progressing and teaching the correct way to our children than those that follow this horrible way of thinking.

Let's hope so.

That preacher is insane and had corrupted Islam TOTALLY.

Look at the context of the situation.

Prophet Muhammad had NEVER taught muslims to violate women, in ANY way, but only when in self defence which is a right of BOTH men and women.

The Egyptian women had their rights violated not only sexually, but mentally in the male dominated space. Speaking out PUBLICALLY to adress the issue is the RIGHT of a muslim woman seeking justice when justice had been perverted in other arenas such as the home and the courts.

Shall then muslim men violate the women yet again in the square? These women are not captives, but muslims who had believed in the faith and are only seeking redress about their treatment. Muslim women in a Islamic dominated states are NOT slaves to be ill treated.

Very clearly now, for all true muslims who love and honor Allah, to see WHO are the devils running Egypt today.

Furthermore, had war been declared and officially sanctioned by the People of Egypt today, against anyone? NONE!!

Only criminals and the devils declare war upon society EVERYDAY, misusing Islam for their own purposes, justifying their hurt and harm of innocent humans around the world, bringing immense sorrow and pain to the prophet if not Allah Himself.

If true muslims still refuse to be awaken, to stand up to the devils, then Islam will be destroyed by Allah Himself, just as He destroyed the Caliphate so that muslims be free to progress and evolve.

True muslims must also know that for those who blaspheme Islam, what the penalties are. That preacher is an apostate as well as his supporters. True muslims must know what to do, have the courage to do it, and to settle the issue now before it is too late.

Originally posted by Misbah
I like how you idiots missinterpret Verses of the Quran, Bring false Hadiths and sometimes edit them. ..

I like how some idiots get on here and don't bother to respond to the actual topic of the thread .. the Egyptian preacher who is calling for women to be raped in Tahrir Square just because he thinks they aren't good submissive lil' Muslims. Tried to avoid that ... didn't ya'??

Islam provides nothing other than peace,

Yeah .. okay ... I see LOTS of peace over there ... sure ..

How about you explain why this preacher who is calling for rape of women in Egypt is so popular ..and why is the Saudi preacher who raped and tortured and murdered his five year old daughter so popular.

reply to post by FlyersFan


he makes me feel ashamed when he says they 'deserved it'
no women deserves rape no matter how she is dressed.
Btw he is the same guy who burnt the Bible so this is just another event when he proved that he is an @$$H0le.
The question about why he is famous is because he has a following of people who are angry and want to find someone to blame, blaming Bible for what some people did, blaming woman for the acts of animals that raped them, actually animals may take offence to this comparison.
I will also like to clear that he dint 'call' for women to be raped. I have no desire to defend him but that exaggeration has lead you and others here to judge Islam by the act of this guy.
You are doing an excess and very close to join the camp of this guy in behaviour where a radical anti-islamist feels that muslims 'deserve' to be nuked.
Islam is a different religion than Christianity but muslims have the same right as others to choose and follow their faith but yes it should not harm you or force you, that i agree and stand for and if required i would agree to fight for.

as I know rape, suicide and children without family is widespread in EU and USA and some other parts of this world ! and usually all of them are fruits of alcohol.
I really doubt that people are raping each other in Tahrir square, but they are protesting for something else !!!!!