'The Magical Battle for Britain' during WW2 and how the witches of Britain fought the Nazis.

Why would the witches only help Britain?

Also...think about the witch burnings in history... why would they help our species?

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'our species' ? they are humans
What species be you ?

Originally posted by HelenConway
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'our species' ? they are humans

What species be you ?

edit on 9-2-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure.

I always figured one was born a Witch rather then becoming one through a craft or ability.
Which reasons out to them being a separate entity from a separate realm altogether in my mind.

What say you? If we are born human but can become witch/wizard why aren't there more?

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well - personally - for what it is worth, I believe most witchcraft practices that are performed today are showmanship and ego. That is just my opinion.

However - i do think we are all born with the ability to connect with source, as such to increase flows of energy for good or bad, consciously or unconsiously.

It is just that some people are able to feel, see and interact with the invisible world consciously, whereas others who are sleepy to this realm, still get influenced they just don't know it.

Anyone can wake up - as easy as opening your eyes ?

But I will add there are consequences to opening your eyes, it is a bit like turning the light on when you have been living in the dusk and all of a sudden you can see the dirt !

Harry Turtledove wrote a series of alternate WWII novels in which allies and axis used sorcery and/or dragons

en.wikipedia.org...

"The Darkness Series is a series of six fantasy novels by Harry Turtledove. Though a fantasy the general history, geography, and combatants are analogs of World War II, or the "Derlavai War" in this universe.[1] Many of the characters are also the equivalents of historical people. Magic and other fantastic beasts, like dragons, are also stand-ins for World War II technology. Important battles in the series are also based on famous World War II battles, like the Battle of Sulingen which is an analog to the Battle of Stalingrad."

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Almost the last person prosecuted for witchcraft in the UK was Helen Duncan, in 1944.

During World War II, in November 1941, Duncan held a séance in Portsmouth at which she indicated knowledge that HMS Barham had been sunk. Because this fact was revealed, in strict confidence, only to the relatives of casualties, and not announced to the public until late January 1942, the Navy started to take an interest in her activities. Two lieutenants were among her audience at a séance on 14 January 1944 and this was followed up on 19 January, when police arrested her at another séance as a white-shrouded manifestation appeared.[9] This proved to be Duncan herself, in a white cloth which she attempted to conceal when discovered, and she was arrested.[10] She was also found to be in possession of a mocked-up HMS Barham hat-band.[11] This apparently related to an alleged manifestation of the spirit of a dead sailor on HMS Barham, although Duncan appeared unaware that after 1939 sailors did not wear hat-bands identifying their ship.[12] She was initially arrested under section 4 of the Vagrancy Act 1824, a minor offence tried by magistrates. However, the authorities regarded the case as more serious, and eventually discovered section 4 of the Witchcraft Act 1735, covering fraudulent "spiritual" activity, which was triable before a jury. Charged alongside her for conspiracy to contravene this Act were Ernest and Elizabeth Homer, who operated the Psychic centre in Portsmouth, and Frances Brown, who was Duncan's agent who went with her to set up séances. There were seven counts in total, two of conspiracy to contravene the Witchcraft Act, two of obtaining money by false pretences, and three of public mischief (a common law offence).

The last was:-
Jane Rebecca Yorke of Forest Gate in east London; on 26 September 1944 at the Central Criminal Court. Yorke was convicted on seven counts of "pretending...to cause the spirits of deceased persons to be present" and bound over.
(from wiki)

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Yes thanks for adding that, i have read before and it is a fascinating story and court case.

Originally posted by Hopechest
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I agree that we didn't join the war soon enough but it was not Russia that sent supplies and troops to Britain to save her, America did.

Had America not joined the war Russia still would not have saved Britain. America did.

And yes America did save Russia because we opened the second front in the west which made Hitler split his forces.

Silly

Well done, you sold us weapons. How brave and noble of you. What a great act of selflessness to sell a country weapons and supplies.

Without Russian or the UK, it's America who would have been steamrolled. How about that. By helping us you were only helping yourselves. Sums up America as a nation, really.

I noticed that John Dee hadn't been mentioned so I thought I would pitch in.

He might be considered to be Britain's first (he lived 1527–1608) known magickal spy, as he worked for Queen Elizabeth the first.

He was a cryptographer, mathematician and hermeticist, widely known for speaking with angels and formulating his system of scrying in the Enochian language, or Enochian Magick, as it is known in modern occult groups.



Rulers of all sorts have always consulted with those that they thought could see what others could not. It might be considered to be an early form of information warfare. It still goes on today.

Thanks for a fun thread.

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What a cool thread to post! There are countless claims of groves full of covens working against the Nazis in Britain. Most are just people of those traditions who want something cool to say about their coven but there are definitely some that were actually active during that time that were documented as being involved with either British officials or simply in cross-coven efforts.

Makes you wonder if this had anything to do with the British lifting the ban on witchcraft soon after the war, doesn't it?

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by HelenConway
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'our species' ? they are humans

What species be you ?

edit on 9-2-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure.

I always figured one was born a Witch rather then becoming one through a craft or ability.
Which reasons out to them being a separate entity from a separate realm altogether in my mind.

What say you? If we are born human but can become witch/wizard why aren't there more?

Nobody is born a witch any more than a person can be born a Christian. Witchcraft, in its simplest terms, was a way for the rural folks to practice the religions of the urban folks. It evolved into something much more and became an entire system for observing and living by the Earth's cycles and by nature's rules.

From that whole concept rose a breed of witchcraft that we now know. Don't make the mistake of thinking that "Wicca" is the end-all be-all of witchcraft or magick. For example, Crowley was a practitioner of "high magick" or "ceremonial magick" which is more of a secular version of magick as opposed to witchraft which focuses more on spirituality.

I consider the shamans of every culture to be their culture's "witches". The word itself is just more stigmatized in western European lore but it's a pretty flexible term.

Very interesting,thank you for posting,s+f.I loved reading about the old England when i was a child,and King Arthur,Merlin,and magic.Did you read the books of Andre Norton? I remember reading somewhere, that Arthur would return to save England in its darkest hour.

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Actually I mentioned him.
It's quite easy to walk in both worlds, and it's very easy to hide code in gemmatria and messages in symbols.
The book I was referring to is Secret Agent 666.

Amazing that no one has brought this up yet... there's a mainstream movie on this subject.

Bedknobs and Broomsticks -- although I love the film, I'm not sure that I would take it particularly seriously.

Fascinating read, I am going to have to look into this more.

I would never have been one for Witchcraft or even reincarnation BUT..since my eldest daughter has been able to talk she has been adamant that she is a Witch, she is almost 4 now so this has been going on for a while, long enough to make we wonder..

My wife and I are truly at a loss for where she got this from, as I say, Witches and Witchcraft aren't something we would of ever talked about.

She even tells us about the 'good witches' and 'bad witches' and also has an English accent, we are from Northern Ireland, and her accent and how she got it has been commented on by others.

My wife thinks I am slightly crazy (I think she is just too afraid to admit it) but I reckon my daughter has been 'here' before and was a Witch, so as for people being born as a Witch, I think she was (BTW she is a Good Witch )

Originally posted by HelenConway
It is real, a true story, not fiction AKA Harry Potter - it happened.[

What do you mean Harry Potter is fiction.... that is what some people want you to believe!

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They did on the first page
Great film brings back memories.

Great post! Who knows how much of this is really true, all we can do these days is rely on history books and what they tell you, but as they say history is written by the victors and I am sure that as the Allies were the victors and generally people of a Christian persuasion, would have been reticent to state that British witches helped win the war.
So know doubt a lot of this would have been covered up from the people of the time, but only coming to light many years after the fact.
Considering how terrible the war was, I am sure any nation on the planet would use any means including the occult to stack the cards in their favour.
There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the Germans were into the occult therefore not so hard to believe Britain was as well.

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Consarn it, you pre-empted me, sir!

Do you think Helen was subconsciously influenced to make this thread from her childhood memories of this film? (rhetorical)

Originally posted by Hopechest
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Absolutely the British fought very bravely and my hat goes off to them. But the fact of the matter is that without US help their time was numbered. They would have simply been overwhelmed and would have ran out of supplies.

It was only a matter of time.

Didn't help that the USA was actually supporting both sides during the early years of the war.....

Just saying...