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Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Originally posted by jimmiec
Do we want the system we have that allows a few to get rich selling gimmicks, with nothing vital or essential to either prosperity or happiness provided?
So who forces anyone to buy these valueless gimmicks?
Are you forced to buy them? Anyone you know?
You are free to determine what is valuable to you. If people buy my products and services, I accumulate wealth. Is that stealing from the poor?
"allows a few to get rich" gee that sounds easy, so why haven't you ever tried it? Who stops anyone from going into business? I mean, besides Big Gov't that stifles progress with endless regulation and tax?
The same Big Gov't your sort seem to turn to for your every need and want.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
(A series of random excuses as to why someone can't better themselves.)
No system is perfect, but when it comes to fairness and providing the most benefit to the most people, free market capitalism is much better than the alternatives.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
(A series of random excuses as to why someone can't better themselves.)
No system is perfect, but when it comes to fairness and providing the most benefit to the most people, free market capitalism is much better than the alternatives.
Random excuses?
So being born into poverty is no excuse as to why you cant do better?
Oh my lord, the mentality of some people is truly laughable
You sir, have brought a tear to my eye! Been a while since ive heard something so stupid
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by wantsome
401K ha thats a joke What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.edit on 7-2-2013 by wantsome because: (no reason given)
Capitalism, Dont you love it? Not about service. Not about supply and demand. All about profit.
Who cares if you need cheaper gas? The providers to your needs want more profit. Screw you, you're no one! You dont matter! Profit matters!
capitalism is what created the boom in the country in the late 1800's. its what made all goods and services you have today!
WOW, here you are, on a computer created by capitalism, complaining because your gas, that is made for you from another country halfway around the world, refined, shipped, and trucked into your local gas station, so you can conveniently drive down the street and pump it into your car, cost to much. WOW
dont buy it, make your own if you hate capitalism so much. Get off the internet and computer and make your own.edit on 7-2-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)edit on 7-2-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by wantsome
401K ha thats a joke What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.edit on 7-2-2013 by wantsome because: (no reason given)
Capitalism, Dont you love it? Not about service. Not about supply and demand. All about profit.
Who cares if you need cheaper gas? The providers to your needs want more profit. Screw you, you're no one! You dont matter! Profit matters!
capitalism is what created the boom in the country in the late 1800's. its what made all goods and services you have today!
WOW, here you are, on a computer created by capitalism, complaining because your gas, that is made for you from another country halfway around the world, refined, shipped, and trucked into your local gas station, so you can conveniently drive down the street and pump it into your car, cost to much. WOW
dont buy it, make your own if you hate capitalism so much. Get off the internet and computer and make your own.edit on 7-2-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)edit on 7-2-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)
Obviously the difference between me and you is that i actually understand the cost of capitalism in terms of humanity and the earth. You seem to be calling me a hypocrite because im writing this from a computer but what's even more of a joke is your assumption that this computer can only be made under a system of capitalism. Talk about head up your own ass.
Been a while since ive heard something so stupid
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
So being born into poverty is no excuse as to why you cant do better?
Truth be told, we are seeing capitalism. We are seeing the free market. From what I take of capitalism, it is a system that awards people who execute the most heartless strategies for monetary gain. The individual or entity who can attain property (in a sense you can even include intellectual property) and resources, produce those resources into commodities, and distribute that production for the largest profit possible will receive the biggest rewards. There is no inherent human or environmental considerations within capitalism. It's a really nice circular logic you have going here as well. You claim that it is a specific version of capitalism that's the problem, yet you take a condescending position against those who would seek to regulate capitalism (Liberals, Marxists, and pseudo intellectuals), in order to correct the overwhelming imbalance taking place. Capitalism is working perfectly fine. It may not be working for you, but it's a system that's working exceptionally well for a select few, and it is those select few who have the most influence in the upper echelons of power. This is why you see no changes within the system. To believe that it's just a "bastardization" of capitalism that's the problem is just as naive as believing that there is such a thing as an invisible hand that will naturally correct an imbalance within the system. I honestly don't know what a good alternative is, but I do know capitalism is a system that has put millions upon millions into utter poverty and destitution. You don't have to look any further than the U.S. to see about 50 million people who live at or below the poverty level, which is around $17,000 a year. That is not an aberration, that is the status quo.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by jimmiec
The only reason we hear a lot of criticism about capitalism is because pseudo intellectuals are parroting what they've heard from Marxist professors and talking heads.
Truth be told, we are seeing crony capitalism; a bastardized form of capitalism that we've allowed the elites in business and government form. True capitalism works just fine. Corrupt people who have circumvented the safeguards we have in place are the reason we have the corruption we see today, not because capitalism is fundamentally flawed.
S&F
Originally posted by TheWrightWing
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
China is a capitalist nation now, are they? Funny, the citizens who are forced to live and work in government facilities might disagree. They'll come around eventually.
The banks for were forced to lend to broke people, under the name of Social Justice (Another word for imposing Marxism on the Free Market with the intent to collapse it)
That this collapsed the economy is a surprise to no one, especially those who anticipated that very outcome. This is what happens when Gov't interferes where it has no business.
Perhaps you should try working for well-paying capitalists for a change? Or risk your capital yourself and start your own business. See how easy it is to become wealthy for yourself.
Yes, people work for money, how else would they spend their lives?
You mean by not working and pursuing their interests? To many like me, and nearly everyone I know, that is their job and they're paid well.
Unless you mean idle freeloaders should be supported by the working class?
Can't afford education? Last time I checked public school was free for everyone and libraries are a treasure of information.
Not to mention the fortunes of skills and knowledge given away for free on the internet.
Take some responsibility for yourself and stop being a comfortable victim waiting around for someone to hand success to you.
If you still work for poverty wages and only grumble about it, then yes, you are stupid and deserve what you get. If you take your life by the reigns and work towards success, you also deserve what you get. See how that works?
I don't hire worthless people, why would I?
I hire skilled people to make my business more valuable to my clients. I pay them well, my time and capital is at most risk, so I get the most reward. They are free to open their own agencies and risk theirs. Any success would rightfully be theirs, too.
If being a rich, greedy, wealthy capitalist is so easy, have a go at it yourself.
Originally posted by GD21D
I honestly don't know what a good alternative is, but I do know capitalism is a system that has put millions upon millions into utter poverty and destitution.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by jimmiec
The only reason we hear a lot of criticism about capitalism is because pseudo intellectuals are parroting what they've heard from Marxist professors and talking heads.
Truth be told, we are seeing crony capitalism; a bastardized form of capitalism that we've allowed the elites in business and government form. True capitalism works just fine. Corrupt people who have circumvented the safeguards we have in place are the reason we have the corruption we see today, not because capitalism is fundamentally flawed.
S&F
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by jimmiec
I have been trying to communicate this to people for some time.
I am for a better world. I am not a liar though.
It will take everyone placing their expectations of standard of living WAY down for that to happen.
No more weekends out, no more toys, no more frivilouse shopping. No more toys , no more great health, no more stress free time, none of it.
The third world would then have to rise GREATLY and the western world and emerging economies would have to VASTLY reduce their way of life.
Not every child will get an education. No vacation,.....EVER. Not every curable disease will be affordable, not everyone will be able to own almost anything.
You will work much more, and pay MUCH MUCH more for everything at its fair price, so as to not exploit anyone.
Resources would be at their fair price so you may not be able to afford gas, heating, exotic foods, certain comfort technology.
I dont have a problem with that, since I live what I believe and that is my life anyways.
can all these people advocating for the third world really go without drug money, drinks, fun, party time, toys, expensive clothing, free time, a social life, ALL OF IT?
or are they hypocrites that speak of the evils of capitalism over cocktails or 100 dollar dinner bills and on thousand dollar computers that are the equivalent of several third world workers monthly pay?
edit on 7-2-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Originally posted by jimmiec
Do we want the system we have that allows a few to get rich selling gimmicks, with nothing vital or essential to either prosperity or happiness provided?
So who forces anyone to buy these valueless gimmicks?
Are you forced to buy them? Anyone you know?
You are free to determine what is valuable to you. If people buy my products and services, I accumulate wealth. Is that stealing from the poor?
"allows a few to get rich" gee that sounds easy, so why haven't you ever tried it? Who stops anyone from going into business? I mean, besides Big Gov't that stifles progress with endless regulation and tax?
The same Big Gov't your sort seem to turn to for your every need and want.
Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
So being born into poverty is no excuse as to why you cant do better?
Some folks will find all the excuses they need, humans are adept and fabricating a copious supply.
Many of the most successful folks I know, including myself, grew up in poverty. Some of us had enough and took it upon ourselves to resist the seductive loop of generational poverty, aided and abetted by progressive types who seek a reliable voter base.
Why do leftists create so many poor who are dependent on Big Govt? Job security. If we didn't have poor people, who would vote for Democrats?
Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
So being born into poverty is no excuse as to why you cant do better?
Some folks will find all the excuses they need, humans are adept and fabricating a copious supply.
Many of the most successful folks I know, including myself, grew up in poverty. Some of us had enough and took it upon ourselves to resist the seductive loop of generational poverty, aided and abetted by progressive types who seek a reliable voter base.
Why do leftists create so many poor who are dependent on Big Govt? Job security. If we didn't have poor people, who would vote for Democrats?