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Alchemy And Marriage
"...and they shall be one flesh." The sexual act is the very consummation of marriage.
Papers have nothing to do with it. So, if you join physically, you are married.
"Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
But if you want a quote from Samael Aun Weor, here you are:
"If a woman leaves her husband, then she is not free from him, neither is he free from her, since when a marital union is already established, this remains for the whole of eternity." - Homunculis, Paracelsus
Really, the human personality is contained within the semen, because the semen is the astral liquid of the human being. For this motive, every sexual union is indissoluble.
The man who has sexual contact with a married woman remains in a permanent bond with part of the karma of her husband, for that motive. Fluidly, the two husbands of the woman remain connected by means of sex."
"What is best is to eliminate every atom of lust that traps our consciousness. Only in this way can we liberate ourselves from the unfortunate Karma cultivated through past sexual connections.
Everyone that we have a relationship with, from sexual down to the mundane, has a Karmic bond with us. The only difference is the intensity of that bond. A sexual connection is a strong and eternal Karmic link.
You are bound by your own seed to the Karma of the other individual. Therefore, you will have to suffer the consequences and pay your Karma. You can do this consciously, by eliminating every speck of lust inside you!"
"But if they(bachelor Initiates) cannot control themselves(through Pranayama), they should marry, for it is better to marry(and Transmute Sexually through White Tantra or Alchemy) than to burn with passion(like the hypocritical Pharisees within the Sphere of Lilith who hate Sex)." - 1 Corinthians 7:9
Alchemy As An Outsider
Matthew 19:3-12
And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
My own case is an example, My Wife and I met July fourth. By Her birthday (7-22)
we were living together. Sept 27th we were married. That was 26 years ago.
Originally posted by MacDonagh
What is the point of marrying? I don't need a piece of paper to say how much I love a person. It's ridiculous, not to mention a hit to the pocket.
Originally posted by krossfyter
so let me get this straigh.... one is married (spiritually) if the couple is phyiscal with each other... joined?
sans the legal (man made) aspect.
Originally posted by krossfyter
so according to this... if one is intimate with only one person ... okay they are married... and thus okay for sexual relations... thus in a biblical standpoint not going to hell.... because they are married... even if its not legal?
Originally posted by krossfyter
once you accept Christ you are clear.
Originally posted by krossfyter
the deal is.. you have to taken it all together as a whole. thats my opinon. i do not believe the bible is literal all the time... nor is it one dimesional.... its very circular. we only view it as literal because we are programmed by linear society.
Originally posted by saint4God
Ya, but that doesn't give us a license to sin.
"For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord."
- Jude 1:4
Originally posted by saint4God
I'm finding out the Bible is more literal than I thought over time. Nevertheless there are parables and wise sayings also inclusive.
Originally posted by saint4God
Biblically speaking, people were to be married before having intimate relations.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by MacDonagh
What is the point of marrying? I don't need a piece of paper to say how much I love a person. It's ridiculous, not to mention a hit to the pocket.
If you're not a believer of God, then I agree. It was an institution that was established in Genesis. Beyond that, there's no point.
Originally posted by krossfyter
not a license to sin... i agree. one just goes on living there life in sin... struggling trying to not enter sin (attitude is the important ingredient here).... but one enters it anyways because one is human.
Originally posted by krossfyter
fine. i finding the opposite actually. ive been a believer in Christ for 10 yrs now... (not long i know)... and the more i live the more i find out that its circular... how else can one deal with the contradictions in the bible? these are only contradictions if one takes it in a linear literal fasihion... but.... if one is more circular with it... then it comes together better. but thats my opinion.
Originally posted by krossfyter
but according to what you said one is intimate with one person then they are married/joined?
Originally posted by krossfyter
so how can one be married then be intimate... they have to be intimate first... then they are married. cause and effect?
Originally posted by MacDonagh
So one who doesn't believe in marriage, doesn't believe in God?
Originally posted by krossfyter
thats another thing... how "getting that paper" -marriage the final act on one being married according to the bible?
Originally posted by krossfyter
im talking about a man made construct. i understand that its not the paper its a symbolic gesture... however cant there be a symbolic gesture in perferct accordance to the bible without the paper.. or man made construct route?
Originally posted by krossfyter
just like reaching God..... some people think that to reach God one has to go to church... worship there.... but we all know that thats not true... we can reach him anywhere we are... the building of the church.... helps those who would otherwise have a hard time reaching God to reach God.
its just a tool.
Is it acceptable to live together when your not married?
Having said that, I would never recommend that two people in a romantic relationship live together. There?s just too much temptation involved.