Chris Kyle, Navy Seal Sniper, murdered

One less institutionalised murderer.

No sympathy for him, I hope it hurt as he lay dying and I hope his last thoughts reminded him of the pain and killings he'd inflicted on the 200+ people he'd killed.

Originally posted by Rezlooper

Originally posted by Aleister
Chris Kyle, a Navy Seal who write the book "American Sniper" had been murdered at Rough Creek firing range in Texas on Saturday, February 2. He was the American sniper with the most confirmed kills, 160, all of them coming during the Iraq engagement. His alleged murdered was captured hours after the shootings.

Source:

www.yourglenrosetx.com...

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Whoa, doesn't sound like a random killing, but not enough information out yet though. He wrote a book about his kills, did he reveal something he wasn't supposed to? Maybe he was eliminated for it. Or, maybe someone retaliated for those 160 Iraqi's he killed.

why eliminate him after the book is published ?

makes no sense, none at all

maybe he was just a horses ass or slept with some guys wife

reply to post by syrinx high priest


His book is pretty new, a 2012 publication date, so he must have had some interesting book signings. A question, do these type of snipers get to keep their rifle after leaving the service? With 160 notches on his it must have been like an old friend to him, or a well loved pet - like a cobra.

Originally posted by Aleister
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His book is pretty new, a 2012 publication date, so he must have had some interesting book signings. A question, do these type of snipers get to keep their rifle after leaving the service? With 160 notches on his it must have been like an old friend to him, or a well loved pet - like a cobra.

but the cat is out of the bag. there is nothing to gain by killing him. I doubt they get to keep it, but I have no idea

if it is a retribution killing it may be someone who had a personal connection to one of his victims.

lets let the reports come out before we declare a conspiracy tho

then we can call the reports lies and a cover up

lol

In the book, Kyle describes how Iraqi insurgents nicknamed him "the devil" and placed a bounty on his head

well there's motivation. still not sure that's it tho. the killer didn't have much of a plan , was captured easily, and 2 men were killed. Kyle may have been wrong place wrong time, maybe the other man was the target

but I'm sure somehow this will come down to obama taking our guns

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True, you're probably right. I was just thinking out loud more than anything.

Another vet suffering from PTSD loses control. This is a huge issue. I would love to know what drugs the VA had this vet on. The gun will be blamed yet the medication that we are giving our vets is pushing them over the edge. This is a huge issue. I truly believe that our vets are not getting the help they need. Chris Kyle had the support and mental stability to deal with the 'horrors' of war but to many vets are coming back at lose ends and not able to cope. It will be interesting to see this story unfold.

Originally posted by AuntB
Another vet suffering from PTSD loses control. This is a huge issue. I would love to know what drugs the VA had this vet on. The gun will be blamed yet the medication that we are giving our vets is pushing them over the edge. This is a huge issue. I truly believe that our vets are not getting the help they need. Chris Kyle had the support and mental stability to deal with the 'horrors' of war but to many vets are coming back at lose ends and not able to cope. It will be interesting to see this story unfold.

Now that's a very good point, and psych drugs could become part of the story because of the high-profile of the victim. A good avenue to explore further.

I can't believe how many vile and hateful posts are here about this soldier. WTH, are we back in Viet Nam, spitting on soldiers at the airport? This guy was doing his job as a soldier, not making the policies that got him over there in the first place. As a soldier, he is an instrument of the Government. Please keep your venomous hate barrel pointed downrange at the appropriate target(s).

As for him bragging: Quotes surfacing all over the web show a person who did NOT want to talk about kills. He in fact didn't want to include his total in the book: The publisher insisted. Chris said he'd rather brag about the number of people he saved.

"It was my duty to shoot the enemy, and I don't regret it. My regrets are for the people I couldn't save: Marines, soldiers, buddies. I'm not naive, and I don't romanticize war. The worst moments of my life have come as a SEAL. But I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job."

I can't provide a link for the quote (Facebook memorial quote), but likely his book.

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I read on another one of the numerous threads on this subject (this thread was the first among equals) that Kyle's longest "kill shot" was over a mile away. I wonder if he did it on the first try.

Another question among many. Who was the other guy shot? I "heard" he was a neighbor of Kyle's, who came to help him. That's probably the most tragic story in this overall tragedy.

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I see them as just and accurate, the man was a murderer plain and simple.
How do we know, he bragged about it.
Funny that you bring up Vietnam though, another illegal war built on "bad" intel just like all others.
I place the blame on the government, but I place shame on those who followed ignorantly, then continued after finding out they had been lied to.
Has anyone ever wondered why so many of our kids are coming back doped up and with PTSD, or have just committed suicide??
They realized they are not the freedom fighters, but are a corporate tool.

As for him bragging: it was in his book, he did not have to give in to so called "pressure" from the publishers.
If he was that interesting, he could have sold his story to a number of other publishers or gone independant.
The only people he saved were our boys and girls who got dropped into the same bad spot as he did.
I have never been threatened by a brown man in a robe and sandals riding a camel carrying a Mosin Nagant that lives in a cave! The brown mans rifle does not shoot all of the way to the US.

Life, she no fair, man. Since a thread that came after this one (there were four threads that I know of on the same subject, two of them posted hours after this) has reached the front page, can a moderator close this thread and direct it to the other. It should have been caught earlier, but hey, she no fair. The OP there could have done the right thing, but I didn't hear a peep out of him.

For continuation of this discussion, go to:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

From Kyle's book:

It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her. It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child... She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what. My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day. Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there. People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?" The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives. Everyone I shot in Iraq was trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government.

Another view:

US snipers in Fallujah were widely reported as shooting at anything that moved.

Ms Mulhearn, 34, said the situation in Fallujah was reaching the point of an humanitarian crisis.

Many families were stuck there with few supplies because US soldiers would not allow them to leave, she said.

"Even during a so-called ceasefire, Fallujah was under siege with bombing, missiles and mortar attacks," she said.

"But the worst form of attack was the US snipers hiding on rooftops who kill hundreds of civilians as they tried to move about the city."

The official number killed in Fallujah is 600, but the total number of civilian casualties is likely much higher. The official tally only reflects those deaths reported by the cities mosques and clinics. But American snipers and bombers have killed many people while they are inside their homes.

The doctor says his ambulance was attacked multiple times as it sought to bring aid to residents stranded in their homes. Once when it was trying to retrieve dead bodies for burial and a second time when it was attempting to bring food aid to homes cut off by American snipers

"I see people carrying a white flag and yelling for us saying 'We are here' just try to save us but we cannot save them because whenever we open the ambulance they will shoot us. We try to carry food or water by constrainers. As soon as you carry food or water, the snipers shot the containers of food.

www.commondreams.org...
Abu Muher said US warplanes were bombing the city heavily last Saturday prior to his departure, and that Marine snipers continued to take their toll, shot after shot, on residents of the besieged city. "There were so many snipers, anyone leaving their house was killed," he recalled.

Abu Muher, along with two other men from Fallujah who arrived in Baghdad last weekend, said American warplanes had dropped cluster bombs on a road behind their houses in Fallujah. One of the men was too afraid to permit his name to be used in this article. "My neighbors saw the bomblets," he said, "and I heard the horrible sound that only the cluster bombs make when they are dropped on us. My home was hit by their shrapnel. I was too afraid to leave my home to look for myself because of the snipers."

Abdul Aziz, the 15 year-old son of Abu Muher, stated, "I saw two of my neighbors shot by US snipers when I went outside one time. I also saw some of the small cluster bombs on the ground that were dropped by the warplanes of the Americans. Most times, we were too afraid even to look out of our windows."

news.infoshop.org.../04/15/5024786
MR Now, we have been hearing there is a cease-fire. Is there a cease-fire in effect?

LG No, quite the opposite. Effectively they are fighting. The US has snipers around the city from the West into the center, in houses all around the main streets and are picking off people on the streets, cars and ambulances.

MR Do you mean they are actually firing on ambulances?

LG Yeah, I mean, indeed. My colleague and I and some international volunteers from the United Kingdom and the US had to take over the responsibility for getting patients out of bomb damaged hospitals to one of the remaining make-shift hospitals, which is actually a converted doctors surgery effectively - because the ambulances were being shot at by the US forces. In fact, my colleague who is not very far away from me at the moment, was in one of the last functioning ambulances in Fallujah when he was sniped driving. I think they fired four or five rounds at it, just missing him, I think the ambulance was destroyed. When we left, that was this morning, that was the last ambulance - more or less - in Fallujah.
...
MR What's the scene been like today? You said you left Fallujah this morning, what was it like?

LG The hospital I was at this morning had a normal night. There were Drones and Helicopters overhead scoping targets, shelling and bombing, mainly of houses in civilian areas. The wounded trickle in, but at a slow rate, it's what people can bring in. There aren't any ambulances so, if anyone has a car and can make it through the snipers, they can get someone to hospital where there are some, some, equipment, but not very much. I am now standing in the office of an Italian NGO trying to rustle up some medical aid and we have boxes of surgical equipment which they desperately need in Fallujah. They don't even have scalpels, few bandages, they don't even have anesthetics.

Whether a lodge or firing range I did not get those details.
There was a video playing that looked unrelated as if people were caught on video surveillance
for a brief period. Just three friends and two asked another that was depressed to go to a
range do some shooting. I got the idea that two were turned on at a shooting range.

These ranges are found at various locations and knowing a few shooters found out the
foreign security guards might show up at any time rattle off a lot of expensive shells.
My buddy picked up the shell casings after the crew left with their exercise. A lot of
people can't shoot off that many shells as being too expensive and sounds like a common
practice among the more frugal gun shooter is the pick up their own shells.

In light of recent shooting I wonder if others were spared in the act of kindness to help out
a buddy. If he had financial problems I wonder if he had rejected shooting at that time.

ED: Sure a Lodge for firing weapon would have a practice area like a cliff.
Ed+: Staying with another family in their country house I went with them to fire off
some rifles. Low and behold we fired at old light bulbs in front of a cliff to take any
wild shots.

You'd think a guy who was one of the most celebrated snipers in US military history would be able to better defend himself at a GUN RANGE, which is where he was shot.

My question to you is this. If one of the best trained shots in the US military couldn't protect himself with his gun, what makes you think that you can?

apnews.myway.com...
The situation is starting to get clearer now.

He is sporting a traditional Islamic beard.

He was evidently one of those that fell for the Islamic propaganda and converted to Islam.

I am sorry to have to inform them, but PTSD is not the name of his affliction. The name of his affliction is “taking the side of the enemy.”

He is a traitor that our system won’t recognize as such, because it’s politically incorrect to do so.

He probably followed behind as they walked from the truck. He would have pulled his gun out and shot both of them point blank in the back. All in the name of Jihad.
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A traditional Islamic beard is where the beard is unkept/untrimmed while the mustache is well kept, or totally shaved.

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
apnews.myway.com...
The situation is starting to get clearer now.

He is sporting a traditional Islamic beard.

He was evidently one of those that fell for the Islamic propaganda and converted to Islam.

I am sorry to have to inform them, but PTSD is not the name of his affliction. The name of his affliction is “taking the side of the enemy.”

He is a traitor that our system won’t recognize as such, because it’s politically incorrect to do so.

He probably followed behind as they walked from the truck. He would have pulled his gun out and shot both of them point blank in the back. All in the name of Jihad.
...............edit..........
A traditional Islamic beard is where the beard is unkept/untrimmed while the mustache is well kept, or totally shaved.

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You might want to do a bit of research on PTSD. I can't even bring myself to write any more than that after reading that post.

Unless of course you're being sarcastic.

It would appear that the guy had recently been in a psychiatric ward where he was suicidal and was even tazered after an aggressive episode. Personally i just think it was way too soon to be given a gun to shoot.

Did Chris Kyle or whoever arranged the shoot consult with the guys doctors first?

A really bad judgement call on those who thought it right to take him to a range that day.

CX.

A murderer get's murdered! Karma bite's again.