Iran set to show off new jet, home made !

reply to post by stirling


I'm always in the minority when it comes to being realistic. It's kinda fun.

As for the wings being angled down like that, one possibility (although not here) is waveriding. Although that only works when supersonic.

Most likely it has to do with the vortex coming off the wing. If they're flying low, it may help with stability down there. There haven't been many aircraft to do that, so my usually sources are letting me down.

reply to post by stirling

Its many a slip between the cup and the lip......they may never fly in this configuration.....
I see no firm delivery date as well..... so that may be never if something better comes along.....
Any idea what that wing configuration is all about?

I love that quote by the way...I recall a movie reference that used it and it does fit, eh?

Something just crossed my mind in reading your post. Iran isn't Iraq and these are very intelligent and well educated people ...as opposed to a near cult of personality forced almost at gunpoint to worship the "genius" of one man like Saddam or even Gaddafi. I also recall the details in reading about that simulated war game and how it turned out. I recall the details just as you present them. Scary...when The President is probably having people tell him we've kicked their butts in simulations and keeping a straight face while doing it.

What occurred to me though, is this..... What if that plane doesn't even exist outside what is sitting there? Bin Laden stated in the late 90's that Al Qaeda could never defeat the U.S. on the battlefield and so, he'd never try. He'd bleed us to death, one dollar at a time. What if Iran learned more than we given them credit for in being surrounded by U.S. forces in full glory for shooting wars to observe at their leisure?

$10,000 in material to mock-up an Iranian F-22 will bring HOW much in U.S. requests for funding to counter it? How many new ideas will now spring up to spend more finding ways to defeat this plane which isn't even a plane as it sits right there? Anyone recall one of, if not Patton's first Major Command of World War II? To say he was full of hot air ....would've been a hilarious understatement. Except that it served a deadly purpose and a very effective one as I recall. Perhaps they learn from our own history better than we do?

Ahmadinea~Bad is always screwing with the U.S. so who knows what he's up to -
Sexy looking bird tho..

Saw a few mentions about 'plywood'.
If we could do RAM tech in the 1940's with plywood, what can we do today..?

[(February 2010) Wiki

Radar-absorbent material, or RAM, is a class of materials used in stealth technology to disguise a vehicle or structure from radar detection. A material's absorbency at a given frequency of radar wave depends upon its composition. RAM cannot perfectly absorb radar at any frequency, but any given composition does have greater absorbency at some frequencies than others; there is no one RAM that is suited to absorption of all radar frequencies

Germany also pioneered the first aircraft to use RAM during World War II, in the form of the Horten Ho 229. It used a carbon-impregnated plywood that would have made it very stealthy to Britain's primitive radar of the time.]

Gotta agree with the 'whasckly' Wabbit2000 -

Goliath thought he had David beat..
..of course, Goliath didn't know about David's slingshot.

you know this F313 reminds me of this form days long ago ok not that long ago , but Oh what times they where the Russians are coming the Russians are coming remember? www.vincelewis.net... see if i can find a photo link, one better vid. www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by tommyjo

Originally posted by spy66

This mock up is just for show. What they have put inside on this mock up have no real meaning.

Yes, "just for show" is all well and good, but at least they could have made it more believable. At least they could have fitted an air speed indicator from an F-5. To the aviation enthusiast and aviation world in general it just makes a mockery of their claims of the intended performance of this aircraft. Yes I fully appreciate that it will tick all boxes for the Iranian happy clappers, but the presentation and build of the mock up just doesn't cut the mustard. Are they that naive that they think nobody will pick up on such detail? With the eyes of the aviation world looking on it just makes them look like amateurs.

Iranian culture is way different then ours. So its hard to tell why they present this mock up.

This mock up might not even be the real deal, but rather used for propaganda to raise money for the real project.
This mock up would surely boost up moral.

This mock up also makes us wonder what they are capable of. We are asking; can they realy build something like this. If they can keep us in the dark its to their benefit.


EDIT to add.

Their new jet looks a lot like the X-36. could it have been Irans inspiration to build this mock up?

The pictures of this thing are just hilarious. The cockpit is tiny and the pilots knees are at his chest. He is sitting nearly above the top of the fuselage. The canopy looks like something that was recrafted from an old AMC Pacer. The term "bubbly boy" and a sheet of Home Depot Lexan comes to mind....

Wow even the tiny little air intakes and the "Testors" model paint and body filler used on the fuselage are classic. Not a good moment for Iran...

Let's see it take off and actually fly and maneuver. Just as bad as their Astronaut Monkey fiasco.

reply to post by jibeho


Seriously? What part of "It's a mock up" are people not getting? It's not meant to fly, and it's not full sized. That's why they can use things like plexiglass for the canopy. As for the rest of it, those are things that will be worked out in testing. And those small intakes will work just fine with the right engine.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Sure thing, Why not build a full size mock up...?? I build full size cabinet mock ups out of scrap and luan plywood all the time to show customers how a kitchen island will fit into their kitchen or a piece will fit into a living room etc etc.. I'm cabinet maker not an aeronautical engineer.

If its just plywood and bondo.... why not build it to full scale. I'll believe this new jet when I see it actually function... They would have been better off leaving the pilot out of the "mock up" or putting a child in a flight suit into the cockpit.... If its just to make a point and a sales pitch...

This is the image I found so funny. With everyone looking on with great intensity..

l.yimg.com...

reply to post by jibeho


Do you think it matters to Iran what you think. They have no obligation to satisfy your curiosity.
I bet they dont even know who you are. That is how significant you are.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mbkennel

 

Yes, because the rest of the Iranian military will be doing what, sitting back wringing their hands in fear because the US is coming? Small boats, and WiG aircraft won't be going in alone. There will be plenty of support for them when it happens, and plenty to distract your F/A-18s from their "strafing run games" to shoot them down.

True, and vice versa.

The F-18s will be busy playing with the escorts

I think the F-18's will be busy shooting at cruise missiles while "camping" F-22's eliminate every Iranian combat aircraft coming back to return to their airbases.

and trying to keep from getting shot while defending the CSG.

I really don't see the point (from the Iranian's side) of making vulnerable small boats and aircraft instead of more missiles.

They're fine for pursuing narcotics smugglers I guess. (or maybe they are actually smuggling craft themselves?)

Small boats and weak aircraft could be dealt with by even attack helicopters and A-10's.

reply to post by jibeho


They're not the first to build a mock up to scale. They can use a scale mock up for RCS testing, or one of several other tests.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jibeho

 

They're not the first to build a mock up to scale. They can use a scale mock up for RCS testing, or one of several other tests.

It is certainly an odd scale for testing when there is a video form an Iranian news source apparently showing this plane in full flight. Fast edits and fuzzy images of an R/C plane more than likely...

reply to post by jibeho


They've said that the video of the aircraft flying are RC versions. One uses a propeller and the other uses a mini-turbojet.

Northrop Grumman built a full scale mock up of the Ho 229 for RCS testing. They usually use anything from 1/4 scale, all the way up to full scale.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Thanks for your first hand point of view!! That's what makes ATS so great for topics such as these. I learn something everyday....

Pretty slick looking plane I gotta say. Nice video of it in flight, you have to (or not) admit that this unit looks gnarly

A little embarrassed that my country has to deal with Lockheed Martin and can't produce our own fighter jets.
.... I mean, wtf? This is Iran were talkin about.

reply to post by spy66


Thanks for the reply. I retract my earlier remarks about the air speed indicator. In retrospect I think what we are seeing here is simply a mock up of a technology demonstrator. I agree it is easy to jump to the wrong conclusions about what is presented at first look.

For example the Boeing Bird of Prey had an operational speed of 260 knots.

www.nationalmuseum.af.mil...

en.wikipedia.org...

Link to the identity of the avionics.

Originally posted by canucks555
Pretty slick looking plane I gotta say. Nice video of it in flight, you have to (or not) admit that this unit looks gnarly

The flying footage is a sub-scale model. See from 04:45 where the reporter and engineer discuss the test model. The footage shows the model taking off.

Iran unveils its new fighter jets.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by tommyjo

 

I agree. It's a great design, and I like it, but the unfinishedness (hey, I just made a new word!) of it detracts so much. At least make everything fit together, use real airspeed indicators, etc.

Hi Zaphod. Thanks for the reply. I had a re-think about the air speed indicator and it would fit in with what might be fitted to a technology demonstrator airframe? Are they going down the Boeing Bird of Prey route? It would make sense - sub scale models and then a Bird of Prey type with limited airspeed to prove proof of concept and further development.

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To me this mock up look more like they have used the X-36 as inspiration?