Pastor to waitress: I GIVE GOD 10% WHY SHOULD I GIVE YOU 18%?

reply to post by lupodigubbio


I have to say the people that are stating they do not believe in tipping or having to make up for the restaurant low pay are misunderstanding the pay scale in food service, ore specifically your servers! In some states the waiter/waitress are paid $2.30 an hour per state guidelines because they getting tips, so not tipping is causing the waiter/waitress to work less than minimum wage...kind of like slave labor.

This "Pastor" is ignorant, people that don't tip/tip too low are ignorant.

With that said I always go to a restaurant expecting to leave a good tip, and depending on service that amount lowers. I drink a lot while i eat so If you are not on top of my refills that will affect your tip, same goes for getting my order and how polite/attentive the server is.

If the pastor were white and the server black, the NAACP wouldve already gotten involved.

Originally posted by 321equinox
reply to post by lupodigubbio

 

This is like comparing apples to wombats. Tithing a percent of our earnings to the church is in no way similar to calculating an adequate tip based on the complexity of our meal.

I agree with Tuttle though. It should be the responsibility of the employer to pay the waiters/waitresses a fair wage to begin with. A tip should be just that - a little something extra in appreciation for good service, neither required, nor predetermined. As customers, we are there to purchase a meal, not pay the help. In spite of that, I still tip accordingly.

Lets disseminate that logic:

Wait staff here in NY get paid roughly $5.00/hr plus tips. Because the owners of the restaurant pay that low wage, your meals are far cheaper than they normally would be if owners had to pay minimum wage.
Would you serve meals to people and be a slave to their every whim for 30 minutes to make $300/wk minimum wage?? Would you listen to the customers stupid questions, get their kid milk every 5 minutes, refill your water, bring them sea salt because its safer than regular salt...all for a few hundred bucks a week!? Nope...you wouldnt, noone would.

The purpose of tipping is specifically because you get a SLAVE to cater to your every whim for as long as you wish. I will bring your food, I will act as if I give a # about your kids, I will bring you a clean fork after your kid picks his nose with his, I will then clean up the massive mess you made, wash your dishes, and as you leave I will wave goodbye and act as if you and yours are the greatest things since an egg-white omelet.

For all of this, I cant believe some of you wouldnt give atleast 20%...twenty measly cents per dollar so you dont have to lift a finger for anything for as long as you sit in my section. They have fast food places for those of you too cheap to pay a virtual slave.

For those of you that don't tip, GET BENT.

god needs Money?

SERIOUSLY


He also has some swamp land in florida
going cheap too, its a steal!
honest


next thing you know this God feller will be tellin folks how to vote

PS:
I suppose that after the farmer that grew the food, the illrgal mexican that harvested the food, the packer,the trucker, the cook, and finally the waitress that serves it, this clown will thank god for the food...
the same god that brought the drought thats killin crops like crazy....

In UK were we don't expect or have to pay any tips from anyone ever!.
Its up to the employers to pay better wages in them kind of job areas and not down to the customers.

If we have a meal in a restaurant we don't tip nothing. I guess some small minority of wealthy people do and that's just to flash their money around rather than have some feelings for a low paid worker.

You can still get great service without the expectations of having a tips. The only places I know where servers get tips is at the Race's, 10 bob millionaires buying bottle's of champers with their race winnings and the like.

I used to work at a famous race course as a porter many years ago in the private stands. When the Arab prince's visited (they had there own private box) they would tip all the kitchen staff who served/cooked for them, The tip would be in the thousands and it would be shared out amongst the staff.

Its something I have always seen in TV and Movies that come out of america like hotel workers holding there hands out to customers after carrying bags to the room and so on.

reply to post by Scuzzlebutt


You mention "slave" and the way you talk you act like wait staff are slaves to the restaurants and arent free to look for other employment, maybe in a field where you wouldnt have to whine so much.
How much skill does it take to carry a tray of food to people and fill their glasses with tea?
Wait staff are unskilled workers and should be paid unskilled wages, which is minimum wage.

reply to post by lupodigubbio



lmao!

And I thought I heard all the God excuses in my life.

I guess it was just God's will, oh wait no it's Free will this time, but using God as a crutch.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by Scuzzlebutt

 

You mention "slave" and the way you talk you act like wait staff are slaves to the restaurants and arent free to look for other employment, maybe in a field where you wouldnt have to whine so much.
How much skill does it take to carry a tray of food to people and fill their glasses with tea?
Wait staff are unskilled workers and should be paid unskilled wages, which is minimum wage.

That has got to be one of the most ignorent statements I think I've read on this site. You must be probing for fight or apparently never worked in the food services business. Having to put up with ungrateful sods at a restaurant is anything but easy. And in this country (the USA) tips are expected for good service because the wages are so fracking low. You couldn't survive on the wages alone.

You sound like someone who's never done a hard days labor in there life.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by Scuzzlebutt

 

You mention "slave" and the way you talk you act like wait staff are slaves to the restaurants and arent free to look for other employment, maybe in a field where you wouldnt have to whine so much.
How much skill does it take to carry a tray of food to people and fill their glasses with tea?
Wait staff are unskilled workers and should be paid unskilled wages, which is minimum wage.

How hard is it to bring someone their food!!?? Waiting tables is one of THE hardest jobs on the planet.

I get a section consisting of 5 tables on a Friday night. Two 8 tops, and 3 four tops. At 7pm, all of those tables will be full. Thats 40 people that I must serve AT THE SAME TIME, and I must do this in under 20 minutes.

So inbetween me taking orders, I have to bring all my tables soup/salad\drinks as well as whatever stupid things you want like a coffee refill, ketchup, or some other asinine thing. I must do all of this with a smile on my face and I must use every second to my advantage so I can make sure your food is piping hot and served on time.

I must memorize the nights specials...all TEN of them, including all ingredients and preperations because assholes like you need to question every aspect of your $20 steak. Of course, you will complain when it comes. It'll either be too pink, too cold, or whatever other crap you can think of to complain and get a break on the bill.

This waste of both our time will lead the table next to you to have to wait even longer for their "slave" to return and refill their water.

I also have to memorize every single beer brand, liquer brand, and wine brand. Not only that, I must be able to answer all questions regarding those wines. What type of grapes were used, region it comes from, dry, wet, and what meals on the menu go with certain wines.

Tell me oh Wizard of Smart...where do you get off telling me my job is easy?? Are you capable of doing any of the above? Can you memorize whole menus of specials in the ten minutes you have before your first table sits? Can you carry a tray, one handed, which has four entrees, condiments, drinks, through a crowded room without dropping it? Could you wait on complete strangers, listening to their asinine gripes for 10 hours and give proper service? NO.

Waiting tables is far more than grabbing a sandwich off the line and carrying it to a table...grow up.

You are tipping me because in spite of all the bull I get from complete strangers, I will go get you ice on your whim with a smile. I will go out of my way to make sure you are happy despite the fact of what my personal feelings of you are.
You tip because I could ignore your constant stares trying to get my attention because you have another complaint.

If you have money to eat out anywhere, you have money for a tip. Its redundant to claim that you are too poor to leave a tip, but have enough to eat out. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. The priest is an asshole plain and simple so quit serving this thread # and calling it caviar.

And dont claim my job is "easy" and anyone could do it because you most assuredly could not with your current attitude.

reply to post by twohawks


Nope, never had to wait on anyone and never will.
Ive worked hard enough in my younger years to get to the point where I dont have to work as hard but I earn more.
Its called obtaining a skill and then be good at it, it takes no skill to carry trays, I should know, my x wife does it now and she has none what so ever

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by twohawks

 

Nope, never had to wait on anyone and never will.
Ive worked hard enough in my younger years to get to the point where I dont have to work as hard but I earn more.
Its called obtaining a skill and then be good at it, it takes no skill to carry trays, I should know, my x wife does it now and she has none what so ever

Well kudos to you for being old and living in a time when there were actual jobs paying an actual living wage! Way to demonize those of us who cant possibly afford a higher education to then try to find a living wage job in an economy where there are a thousand applicants for every opening.

To make egregious statements that because you did it, everyone can, goes a long way to showing you may be older, but you havent yet grown up. In just your two recent posts I can see why your wife is an ex.

Cant help but point out that your avatar is a video game personality and your screen name comes from yet another video game. Perhaps its time to let go of childish things and leave the virtual world for the real one.

If you dont wannt tip, that is your perogative for sure, but dont complain about the #ty service you recieve afyerwards. Get your own water, ice, food and you wont have to worry about wasting money on tips...you can save it for the next xbox game!

I rarely go out of my way to name call just for the sake of name calling, but you sir, are retarded and obviously still alone or youd be doing grown man things instead of playing COD all day.

reply to post by Scuzzlebutt


Star for you Scuzzlebutt, I couldn't have put it any better myself. It is unfortunate that in your business you have to put up with people like this. Apparently skill doesn't equate to brains in this world.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by Scuzzlebutt

 

You mention "slave" and the way you talk you act like wait staff are slaves to the restaurants and arent free to look for other employment, maybe in a field where you wouldnt have to whine so much.
How much skill does it take to carry a tray of food to people and fill their glasses with tea?
Wait staff are unskilled workers and should be paid unskilled wages, which is minimum wage.

Many places do pay their wait-staff lower than minimum wage because tips are assumed. The tip percentage is factored into that. When I was waiting tables (for well below minimum wage) a nice tip was 12%, and now it is closer to 20% because the wage payed doesn't keep up with the economy.

Also, waiting tables is hard work. In many of the places I worked if I got a 15 minute break in an eight hour shift I was lucky. It never stopped until the last hour or so of my shift when I had to do all of my other re-stocking and checking. All that for 2 bucks an hour. So, okay; not technically slave labor, but about as legally close to it as you can get.

Also, you are correct. It is unskilled labor (technically). So just about the only other job someone with no skills can look to get (particularly a woman), is right back in the restaurant business, especially these days. Heck, right now you are lucky to get that. Waiting tables can be a good opportunity if you are willing to bust your rear, have good people skills, (and really thick skin) to rely on those tips and make better than minimum wage in the bottom of the employment tier. But it is just an opportunity; for many people it doesn't work out that way, because it is HARD, and people are jerks.

I am willing to put down money that you have never in your life waited tables for a living. Currently, I make my living as a self-employed free-lance artist (best job I ever had); but I have worked as a hostess, a cocktail waitress, in a pet shop, a bartender, a secretary, and a stripper (2nd best job I ever had), and I have never EVER worked as hard, (or had to put up with as much abuse) as when I was waiting tables in sit-down family restaurants. It is brutal.

reply to post by Scuzzlebutt

If you dont wannt tip, that is your perogative for sure, but dont complain about the #ty service you recieve afyerwards. Get your own water, ice, food and you wont have to worry about wasting money on tips...you can save it for the next xbox game!

I never said I didnt tip, if you read my other posts youll see that I do tip accordingly, depending on quality of service.
And what does playing video games, have to do with anything about this topic? Yea, I go to work I come home and my form of entertainment is playing video games with my son, big deal, Its better that than hanging out in bars.
I dont know what youre trying to accomplish by pointing out my name and avatar comes from video games, embarrass me, make fun of me, harm my credibility? Doesnt bother me.
I didnt go to college either, so stop using that as an excuse.
Sooo, yea. Im done here. Ill leave as soon as you bring me my sandwich

reply to post by Scuzzlebutt


So your customers are just a burden then? God forbid they would want to know what was in their food, have a drink or (gasp) want ketchup! I think you'll find your low wage job would turn into a no wage job without those pesky customers wanting to purchase food at your place of employment.

And yes, I'm from the UK, which is obviously different in terms of minimum wage to the US and no, mostly I don't tip waiting staff anymore than I would tip a shop worker or the refuse collector as they all earn at least the minimum wage and most of the waiting staff I have encountered are totally disinterested, bang your plate down in front of you and getting a friendly smile seems to be totally out of the question. I have on occasion left some of the change from my bill, when the staff have done a good job and made me feel like a valued customer, but nothing like 18% or even 10%.

Having a meal is supposed to be pleasurable experiences, not one of impatience or filled with anger. It is a time to relax and enjoy the company, regardless if alone or with company.

The cook is too busy to serve as he will be cooking away. Thus born service staff, to help bridge the difference between the cook and the customer.

Keeping prices low is a priority, and thus service staff gets little. For the attention the service staff had offered to customers, they do deserve considerations for tangible renumerations as appreciation for their services and the ensuring of eating out remains a pleasurable experience.

If the service staff is paid well, most likely the food will be charged high. Most high end restaurants do pay their staff well, and the staff there are entitled to tips still for good service and attention often demanded by the well paying patrons of such elegant establishments, that their trip had ben a problem free pleasurable experience.

Perhaps, in non-tipping nations, where min wage justifies miserly conduct by consumers and dour attention by service staff is the norm as there are no incentives to perform better or will be tangibly appreciated, that meals are not meant to be pleasurable experiences, just something to pile ito the tummy, and then leave?

With the state of our progress, one day, robots will take over service jobs. Would you prefer to have a dour cold mechanical robot, or one made up of plastic with a plastic smile and prepared replies to serve you, OR a warm and friendly human with a smile that lights up from the eyes to ensure you enjoy your meal?

Sigh.....15 pages over a miserly no-obligation few dollars issue. I shake my head in despair on how far we had evolved as a caring egalitarian society......

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Scuzzlebutt

 

And yes, I'm from the UK, which is obviously different in terms of minimum wage to the US and no, mostly I don't tip waiting staff anymore than I would tip a shop worker or the refuse collector as they all earn at least the minimum wage and most of the waiting staff I have encountered are totally disinterested, bang your plate down in front of you and getting a friendly smile seems to be totally out of the question.

It may (or more like not) occur that if the wait-staff had the expectation to earn a tip for friendly, good service that you (as the customer), may receive friendlier, better service...

Just a thought.

reply to post by redhorse



But how would they know before presenting the bill whether they were going to get a tip or not? Good service should come first, then a tip.

But like I said, tipping is not the norm in the UK anyway

The American system is stupid using tips to top up to minimum wage. Then making tips mandatory, any restaurant that does that won't get my business. More corporate greed and both the customer and the server get screwed over.

At least Ron Paul wanted all tips to be tax free for servers.

reply to post by Grimpachi


It's always their personal pity party; that's the nature of (fake) religion.