23 Christians sent to Allah for disobeying Islamic Law

Originally posted by Zamatia

hey did you ever readthe bible? christians killed so many muslims in crusade and still kill everyday in palestine

Islam began waging jihad on the Christian West 400 years before the Crusades (invading Spain in 711 and invading France in 719) and continued attacking Europe for hundreds of years after the crusades finished (Vienna was twice attacked by the Muslim Turks in 1529 & 1683). Southern Europe was occupied by Islam until the end of the 19th century.

In the period running up to the first crusade in 1096, Islam invaded Sicily, Cyprus, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Sardinia and Armenia. They twice burnt the Monastery of Monte Cristo to the ground and attacked Rome in 846, forcing Pope Leo IV to promise a yearly tribute of 25,000 silver coins.

Islam & Europe timeline

Islam in Spain
Siege of Vienna




Islam was highly aggressive to the West for hundreds of years before the crusades and attacked Southern Europe for hundreds of years after the crusades.

Islam was the aggressor, not the victim.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Saying the words "I think" means he stated an opinion, not a "fact" so he is not in violation of the ToS.

Clean up your reading comprehension.

reply to post by GmoS719

Islam calls for this.
Bad religion and bad people.

So does the other side.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Bad Religion

reply to post by milkyway12

this is bs. I much rather make the Muslims die for their Allah.

Yeah much less bull#%@$ as long as it's the right people dying.

reply to post by ollncasino


The crusades only ended in 1917 apparently.

reply to post by DarknStormy


the crusade did not end. blood thristy christians are still killing muslims everywhere

Originally posted by DarknStormy

The crusades only ended in 1917 apparently.

The Islamic Ottoman empire sided with imperial Germany in WWI by declaring war on Britain, Russia and France in 1914.

World War One - Timeline

The Ottoman empire was comprehensively defeated by 1918 and was forced to retreat to a rump of their former empire, which today is Turkey (an area which was Christian for 1,000 years before it was conquered in the 15th century by Islamic invaders).

The Ottoman's still had sovereignty over large parts of Southern Europe and physically garrisoned some parts of it until the turn of the 20th century.

Originally posted by Zamatia
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

the crusade did not end. blood thristy christians are still killing muslims everywhere

Zamatia, you're quite an angry little person, aren't you.

reply to post by ollncasino


There was Jewish influence in WW1 who came from Germany when the Brits were getting their butts handed to them. They brokered a deal with the Brits to get the USA into the war against Germany, Hungary etc in return for Palestine... If this agreement did not occur, Britain would be toast right now. Now this may be incorrect but I find it funny that the Balfour declaration was proposed in 1917 and then in 1919, the brits were on their way to the Middle East or Palestine, straight after WW1.

When General Allenby go to Jerusalem, he declared that "Today, the crusades are over", or along those lines. I find it funny that he could declare that considering the Crusades were Christian wars, not to settle Jewish land . I think the Jews or Zionists in Germany knew exactly what they were doing.. It wouldn't surprise me if they got the war started with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand which we all know was blamed on Russia. But then again, maybe I'm just speculating too much. The Ottoman Empire were pushed into the war and they were the only ones who didn't manage to come out of it. They were dismembered for a reason.

What we need to remember is that the plans for a Jewish state were in the works long before WW1, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Ottomans were the target to start with. If an Islamic nation is in control of Palestine, you have buckleys of turning that territory into a Jewish country.

Heres a quote from the first British PM and you only have to read what he said to see the mindsets of these people.

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, speaking at Aylesbury on the 20th September, 1873:
"I can assure you, Gentlemen, that those who govern must count with new elements! We have to deal not with Emperors and Cabinets only. We must take into consideration secret societies, who can disconcert all measures at the last moment, who have agents everywhere, determined men, encouraging assassinations, and capable of bringing about a massacre at any moment."

Originally posted by amkia
Other side of the story would be:

Christian soldiers killing Muslims I occupied countries like Iraq and Afghanistan by hundreds of thousands in years under the name of war on terror..

What’s the different..?

really, those soldiers were CHRISTIAN, quoting the Bible and killing Muslims to further Christianity?!
With the persecuted Christians in Iraq, for example, and their numbers falling, that doesn't seem to have worked out too well, in other words you comparison is nonsense- it may have made sense several hundred years ago

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd
really, those soldiers were CHRISTIAN, quoting the Bible and killing Muslims to further Christianity?!
With the persecuted Christians in Iraq, for example, and their numbers falling, that doesn't seem to have worked out too well, in other words you comparison is nonsense- it may have made sense several hundred years ago

Now now, the very same thing is happening in Syria yet we are funding and arming the people doing it. This isn't about whether Christians are being persecuted or not, its about controlling the resources coming out of those countries at any cost, including the sacrifice of Christians.. The people doing this are not interested in your religious background from both sides.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

There was Jewish influence in WW1 who came from Germany when the Brits were getting their butts handed to them.

The British were in no danger of losing WWI until the German Micheal offensive of 1918, in which the German's redeployed 50 divisions from the Eastern front before American manpower could swing the balance. The German offensive failed. While not wanting to understate the important American contribution to victory, it was not seen as decisive.

German Spring Offensive

Originally posted by DarknStormy

They brokered a deal with the Brits to get the USA into the war against Germany, Hungary etc in return for Palestine... If this agreement did not occur, Britain would be toast right now.

My understanding is that Zimmerman telegraph in 1917, in which the Foreign Secretary of the German Empire offered to help Mexico recover the Southern US states, pushed the US into war.

It was actually British intelligence that intercepted the secret telegram and passed it onto to the Americans. No one believed it was genuine until Zimmerman, in a colossal lapse of judgement, confirmed it as true.

Naturally, the US public was appalled, as was no doubt the Mexican government.

The USA declared war shortly afterwards.

Zimmermann Telegram

Was it all a Zionist conspiracy? I don't for a moment doubt that Jewish organizations were busy working behind the scenes to achieve their goals.

I suspect however that it is easy to overstate their influence.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Now now, the very same thing is happening in Syria yet we are funding and arming the people doing it.

This isn't about whether Christians are being persecuted or not, its about controlling the resources coming out of those countries at any cost, including the sacrifice of Christians..

The people doing this are not interested in your religious background from both sides.

I must strongly agree with you.

The super rich drive national policy in the West and they tend to have no allegiance to anything but their own interests.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Zamatia

hey did you ever readthe bible? christians killed so many muslims in crusade and still kill everyday in palestine

I and continued attacking Europe for hundreds of years after the crusades finished (Vienna was twice attacked by the Muslim Turks in 1529 & 1683). Southern Europe was occupied by Islam until the end of the 19th century.

In the period running up to the first crusade in 1096, Islam invaded Sicily, Cyprus, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Sardinia and Armenia. They twice burnt the Monastery of Monte Cristo to the ground and attacked Rome in 846, forcing Pope Leo IV to promise a yearly tribute of 25,000 silver coins.

Islam & Europe timeline

Islam in Spain
Siege of Vienna




Islam was highly aggressive to the West for hundreds of years before the crusades and attacked Southern Europe for hundreds of years after the crusades.

Islam was the aggressor, not the victim.

edit on 2-2-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Again you and your trollish crap. It is really a mystery how you dont get banned from this site for trolling. Ottoman Empire was not an Islamic invasion on Europe. The Ottomans attacked and conquered other Muslim countries in the same time period aswell. They fought wars to expand their empire, just like any other empire before them. All religions have been agressors in the history, one of the biggest genocides in known history was commited by Christians on Native Americans around same time as Ottomans conquered Constantinople. ..which brings us to what ? You cant cherrypick small parts of history to further your agenda and ignore the rest.

So, while I understand there is a lot about peace and love in the Koran, this other aspect is often missed. But also overlooked is that the Bible extols the same thing. Deuteronomy 13: 7-11 requires the killing of those who would serve other gods:

If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, … tries to secretly seduce you, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods,” … you must kill him … . You must stone him to death since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God.

John 15:6 says:

If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and whither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn.

In Luke 19:27, Jesus says:

Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me.

These types of commandments were at the heart of the various Inquisitions that resulted in the mass murder of thousands of non-Christians throughout history. And note also that the Lord told Moses in the Bible, Leviticus, chapter 20, that the following offenses deserve the death penalty: cursing your parent, adultery, making love to your stepmother or your daughter-in-law, and homosexuality, among others.

www.peace-evolutions.com...

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

Again you and your trollish crap. It is really a mystery how you dont get banned from this site for trolling.

Because everything I post is factual and referenced rather than an opinion piece like yourself?

You can't argue with facts. Well, actually, you try to spin them away.

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

Ottoman Empire was not an Islamic invasion on Europe. The Ottomans attacked and conquered other Muslim countries in the same time period aswell.

Following your rather special logic, the Crusades weren't religiously motivated. Why? The French and the English invaded each other in the same time period and they were both Christian!

Your logic is very unique.

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

All religions have been agressors in the history, one of the biggest genocides in known history was commited by Christians on Native Americans around same time as Ottomans conquered Constantinople.

Thanks for conceding that Islam has an aggressive history. I commend your unintentional honesty.

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

You cant cherrypick small parts of history to further your agenda and ignore the rest.

Cherry pick 1,000 years of Islamic aggression against the West?

Invasions of Sicily, Cyprus, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Sardinia, Armenia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Serbia and Albania is cherry picking?

Your logic is very special.

reply to post by clay2 baraka


Exactly... Some people tend to forget their very own faith calls for the exact sames things... Maybe they just skim over them parts..