MSM Lies by Omission: War hero arrested, charged with 5 felonies over 30 round mags

It's not called "The EMPIRE State" for nothing.

I hope he sues the NYPD for everything they're worth, there's no doubt this man who served his country honorably deserves better treatment than this.

Especially considering what he did doesn't appear to be illegal in NY, what the hell.

If what he did was considered criminal then criminal has become a misnomer for someone who enjoys the freedoms this nation is supposed to provide.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Of course NY cops figured out a way to enforce the 7 rd law. Just like they do with all other laws.

"They LIE" when making their arrests. Trust me...I know......I'm from NY

Originally posted by Revealation
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Of course NY cops figured out a way to enforce the 7 rd law. Just like they do with all other laws.

"They LIE" when making their arrests. Trust me...I know......I'm from NY

Oh yeah, I grew up there, I know. There are kangaroo courts in all those small towns, too. Wayland, NY, for example.

As a brit watching America slide into civil war footing I didn't think that it was a criminal offense owning hi capacity mags or that it had been brought into law yet?
Or have I missed that one.

This thread is ridiculous. The man was breaking the law, as noted by the charges against him. Possession is 9/10 of the law, as they say. "Oh no officer, I'm not planning on selling or openly using these drugs. I'm just holding them."

Contraband is contraband, and a respectful gun owner will abide by principles in the name of safety, not rebel against them.

Originally posted by DaTroof
This thread is ridiculous. The man was breaking the law, as noted by the charges against him. Possession is 9/10 of the law, as they say. "Oh no officer, I'm not planning on selling or openly using these drugs. I'm just holding them."

Contraband is contraband, and a respectful gun owner will abide by principles in the name of safety, not rebel against them.

That is socialist/commie propaganda BS pure and simple. First of all, the State has no right to infringe on the 2nd Amendment. McDonald v. Chicago made this crystal clear.

Originally posted by DaTroof
This thread is ridiculous. The man was breaking the law, as noted by the charges against him. Possession is 9/10 of the law, as they say. "Oh no officer, I'm not planning on selling or openly using these drugs. I'm just holding them."

Contraband is contraband, and a respectful gun owner will abide by principles in the name of safety, not rebel against them.

He was not aware he was breaking the law. He believed they were pre-ban magazines when he bought them...which is silly in and of itself. the date of manufacture should not matter, and how do you even determine their vintage?

point is, he was, to the best of his knowledge, NOT breaking any law...and the law itself is unconstitutional, and therefore invalid.

would you appreciate it if batteries were classified as contraband? or maybe empty soda bottles? they have about as much use by themselves as an empty magazine...

how do you not see how silly this is?

His mistake, should've left New York years ago.

Okay, so he was breaking the law, but does the punishment fit the crime? He had some EMPTY mags... big deal, you would think you'd get a ticket for something so silly, and that would be it. In some towns, it's illegal to eat ice cream, better arrest those guys too, right?

Seriously, he should've left that awful place years ago.

What are you people talking about about breaking the law......breaking what law....?

Here is the law...

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed."

Why do you allow yourselves to be so easily distracted?

If you believe guns are bad then change the law, amend the constitution. Feel free,,,it is a country founded
on freedom.

If you are in the other camp, then you have an existing law. Refer to it. Reference it. SAY IT OUT LOUD.
It is FEDERAL LAW. It has the weight and merit of hundreds of years of precedent and was enumerated
in THE ORIGINAL documents that founded the country.

30 round clips and pistol grips and 5 or 6 or 9 rounds......pfffft. nonsense

How long we're hi cap mags illegal?
When I was in the ARNG in NY, I kept my mags at my house along with the rest of my gear, those things always disappeared lol

reply to post by HomerinNC


It's been like that since at least Aug, 2011.

NEW YORK's ASSAULT WEAPON BAN - Part III
August 20, 2011

Penalties

Possession of a "Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device" is a violation of Penal Law sec 265.02 (8).

But most likely, since 2000 or before.

Gun Law Reform

Where the indictment charges the class D violent felony offenses of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree as defined in subdivision four of section 265.02 of the penal law and the provisions of subparagraph (iii) of this paragraph do not apply, or subdivision five, seven or eight of section 265.02 of the penal law, then a plea of guilty must include at least a plea of guilty to a class E violent felony offense.

Originally posted by Mads1987


But there are things out there, which civilians can only use to harm others. Like anthrax. A scientist might be able to learn something from it by looking at it through a microscope, but a layman can only cause harm with this, intentionally or not.
Again, heroin, morphine or similar products made from the Papaver somniferum can be used to give pain relief. But in the hands of an untrained person they are almost exclusively harmful.

So should we not try to prevent people from obtaining these things?

And at this point I must ask.... how well has preventing people from obtaining heroin worked out for us?

According to the 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, which may actually underestimate illicit opiate (heroin) use, an estimated 3.7 million people had used heroin at some time in their lives, and over 119,000 of them reported using it within the month preceding the survey. An estimated 314,000 Americans used heroin in the past year, and the group that represented the highest number of those users were 26 or older. The survey reported that, from 1995 through 2002, the annual number of new heroin users ranged from 121,000 to 164,000. During this period, most new users were age 18 or older (on average, 75 percent) and most were male. In 2003, 57.4 percent of past year heroin users were classified with dependence on or abuse of heroin, and an estimated 281,000 persons received treatment for heroin abuse.

It does not appear that our drug laws have done much to prevent people from using heroin if they so choose to. Guess what? Making new and ridiculous gun laws will not help either. The only people who will be arrested under these laws are productive people of society. If it was a true criminal, they would go out shooting and be dead or arrested for shooting at police and a 30 round magazine would be nothing more than a small blurb at the bottom of the article.

Originally posted by Mads1987
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Where does it say the boxes were empty? And isn't the problem that these can be used as part of a weapon?

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So you say that the issue is that it can be used as part of a weapon and because of this it is considered a weapon?
so everybody with fingers should have charges too? no more pvc pipe for new house builds as well i have seen pvc pipe turned into weapons, you going to outlaw pvc pipe as well? you can build the same system with water pipes as well so now rip out all you're water lines they are weapons. i seen you can use wire to choke somebody rip all you're wiring from you're house also they are now weapons. them boards holding your roof on. them are weapons too i have seen people get hit with wooden sticks and boards before them are weapons also so strip out you're house and remove all you're weapons before i lay mine down.

Originally posted by eleven44
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Oh right, the government told me it is outlawed.

I guess that makes it intrinsically bad and everyone who disagrees is a criminal.

If you want to think of it that way, then you can.
I simply see things as currently legal or not legal. If I disagree with it being illegal, I will try to get someone to change said law.

Personally, I am a fence sitter in regards to all this gun control stuff...but I am pretty much anti-go to jail overall..so will show my rebellion through words verses dumbarse actions that will get me locked up legitimately.

And Disagreement is fully encouraged...I disagree with many, many laws...but am not stupid enough to break the law (at least overtly)...

Originally posted by Shadowcast

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Lesson of the day
Do not break stupid laws...they may be stupid, but they are law.

Instead, elect people whom will try to remove said stupid law...
Legislation is far more preferred than a rap sheet.

Unconstitutional laws are not laws.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
-Thomas Jefferson

Tell that to the judge
Then explain that to Bubba.

I am sure he will be highly impressed with your constitutional philosophy..and singing voice.

reply to post by SaturnFX


If everyone thought as you did Rosa would still be at the back of the bus.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

If everyone thought as you did Rosa would still be at the back of the bus.

Carrying banned magazines is not the same as standing up against segregation.

Christ sakes...life is not meant to mirror a g-damn southpark skit...next what? peeing on the sidewalk and getting hit for it is equal to the revolutionary war? Any other great moments in history you would like to taint with minor day to day issues?

Rosa parks indeed.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Carrying banned magazines is not the same as standing up against segregation.

It absolutely is the same. There is no harm to anyone in having the magazines. His ability to travel with his own property, harmless property, is obviously impaired.

It is exactly the same. For owning a little metal box this man is being treated worse than a second or third class citizen. He's being treated as a rapist, kidnapper or murderer.

A minor day to day issue may be 5 felonies to you but not to me and not to the man facing them.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Carrying banned magazines is not the same as standing up against segregation.

It absolutely is the same. There is no harm to anyone in having the magazines. His ability to travel with his own property, harmless property, is obviously impaired.

It is exactly the same. For owning a little metal box this man is being treated worse than a second or third class citizen. He's being treated as a rapist, kidnapper or murderer.

A minor day to day issue may be 5 felonies to you but not to me and not to the man facing them.

edit on 1-2-2013 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)

It was decided that it was harmful after a few mass shootings...hense the ban. Having to reload gives the moment of opportunity to where a person under fire can bug out or attack verses sit and get shot.

You don't need a chain gun for personal protection.
And again, get politicians that will change the law you deem stupid..give your reason. the second amendment does not ensure your right to never have to reload...your lucky they haven't banned mags all together..go with whats in the chamber alone and then reload..because that is not protected...you can say it was a oversight from the founding fathers, that the days of muskets they didn't foresee magazines and gun advancement...and your right..but they probably didn't fathom a M4 in the hands of larry the conspiracy nut either.

Anyhow, I don't agree with the mag size thing...then again, I don't disagree with it either. I do see the logic in the ban..hey, lets have some nutcase only shoot down say.7 people instead of 20 before reloading.


As far as the legalities of it..he knew the law, he broke the law, he will pay for it. I have had friends deal with a similar thing for some plants. I don't agree with their fate, but its not like they were totally unaware of the stupid law in place.