SCI/TECH: Russian Expert Fears Flu Epidemic May Kill Over A Billion People This Year., page 1

posted on Oct, 28 2004 @ 11:27 PM

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As the attention of most of the people in the world are on the US elections, and on the debates between the American candidates for the presidency of the US, most of the world doesn't seem to be aware of other more serious issues, like this year's flu season. Dmitry Lvov, head of the Russian Virology Institute stated at a press conference on Thrusday that we are at the brink of a major flu epidemic, one that could kill over a billion people in six months. Although the expert did not say exactly when it could start, he did mention that it was highly likely it will start this year.

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�Up to one billion people could die around the whole world in six months,� Lvov said. The expert did not give a timeframe for the epidemic, but said that it is highly probable that it will start this year. �We are half a step away from a worldwide pandemic catastrophe,� the academic said.

The Russian expert said that U.S. researchers possessed data suggesting that if a pandemic hits, up to 700,000 people will fall ill in the United States. He said that the population of the United States can be roughly compared to that of Russia and thus the number of cases will be approximately the same.

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Lvov also said that the epidemic will most likely be caused by bird flu stem and that the death rate of those who contract this flu is 70%. He also called for the Russian authorities to prepare for the epidemic, and that the country will need a reserve of 300,000 beds in hospitals if and when the epidemic breaks out.

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mockan

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Muaddib
Dmitry Lvov, head of the Russian Virology Institute stated at a press conference on Thrusday that we are at the brink of a major flu epidemic, one that could kill over a billion people in six months.

www.mosnews.com
�Up to one billion people could die around the whole world in six months,� Lvov said. The expert did not give a timeframe for the epidemic, but said that it is highly probable that it will start this year. �We are half a
(snip)

I've got this little campsite in Death Valley National Monument, where
there are no people, and no birds, for 40 miles in any direction. A few
plastic pipe containers buried upright with dried food for a year. A
couple hundred gallons of water stored safely. I put it together
during the year 2000 computer software scare, when it seemed like
a good idea to have a hide out if things really went to hell. If people
start dropping like flies don't come looking for me because I will also
be packing. extra DIV

FlyersFan

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 07:53 AM

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A billion people? Sorry, but I think the Russian
Virologist has been drinking too much vodka.
It won't happen.

vapor

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 09:34 AM

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it's all coming together. first us scientists are allowed to "experiment" with the spanish flu. then out of no where there is a huge shortage of flu vaccine. and now this... interesting.

soficrow

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
A billion people? Sorry, but I think the Russian
Virologist has been drinking too much vodka.
It won't happen.

FYI - the evolution of this flu has been tracked since 1980 when a human disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) first was found in domestic turkeys in the USA (see Pubmed, Julian).

By 1996, FMD had spread to quail in Japan.

By 1997, it had evolved to H5N1 bird flu in Hong Kong.

...somewhere during this time, researchers in Brazil documented the presence of FMD in avian reovirus - a contagious but non-deadly bird virus - showing the evolutionary path.

Also FYI - FMD causes mutations in the stem cells for connective tissue, via an actin protein. ...actin is present in virtually every cell of every species on the planet - it appears that FMD uses actin and actin related proteins to cross species and kingdom barriers, and to hitch-hike on viruses, bacteria etc to spread. Numerous diffrent mutation tracks have evolved over the years, bird flu being only one.

.....also FYI - US agencies and institutions like the Mayo Clinic and CDC have been issuing dire and urgent flu warnings since 1997...as has the World Health Organization. ...every epidemiologist and nation in the world knows it's coming, and has for several years.

However, many leaders in government and industry support a policy of 'benign neglect.' The theory is that a major plague will take care of the world's overpopulation problem, weed out the weak - and leave behind a superior and immune human population.

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GradyPhilpott

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 12:52 PM

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Well, I'm not buying it. The Russian media is full of ridiculous assertions on a daily basis. What was the last one reported here? Was the girl with x-ray vision? I would think, though, that all those over-population alarmist would find this to be good news, indeed.

soficrow

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Well, I'm not buying it.

FYI - Grady - just a small sample:

1999 - WHO - "Influenza pandemic preparedness plan. The role of WHO and guidelines for national or regional planning." Geneva, Switzerland, April 1999
www.asean-disease-surveillance.net...(WHO).doc

September 23, 2004, "Warning on flu pandemic"
"Scientists working for the World Health Organisation fear that the arrival of the flu season in Asian countries could see the human flu virus merge with a lethal strain of bird flu that is already in circulation, producing a more deadly flu virus that could rapidly infect humans, leading to a global outbreak."
www.guardian.co.uk...

"Avian Influenza Outbreaks Create Concern About Human Infection Mayo Clinic Researchers Warn"
www.mayoclinic.org...

"The Next Influenza Pandemic: Lessons from Hong Kong, 1997"
www.cdc.gov...

Also, RE: the FMD link.

Julian LM. The occurrence of fibromuscular dysplasia in the arteries of domestic turkeys. Am J Pathol. 1980 Nov;101(2):415-24. PMID: 7435545
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Braga IS 3rd, Tanaka S, Itakura C, Mizutani M. Fibromuscular dysplasia in intramuscular arteries of Japanese quail (Coturnix coturnix japonica). J Comp Pathol. 1996 Feb;114(2):123-30. PMID: 8920213
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

From the Brazilian Journal of Veterinary Research and Animal Science ...
www.scielo.br...

Well there you have it. The sketch, with references. But hey. Don't let the facts get in your way...

mad scientist

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 01:47 PM

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Maybe he has some inside info on altered flu viruses being created during the massive Soviet bioweapons research program. If he's was a virologist during the time if the Soviet Union chances are he worked in the military program possibly in Biopreparat.

soficrow

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by mad scientist
Maybe he has some inside info on altered flu viruses being created

....The living cell is the most well-equipped laboratory in the world. Nothing man-made can touch it. We do not need bio-weapons programs to endanger us. Nature does the job with only a small infusion of stupidity, hubris and pollution from da boys. Already done.

But FYI - the FMD epidemic originated in the early 1900 in the USA - probably with a contamination of the original mass vaccines (probably by a scrapie prion). ...The contamination may or may not have been accidental, but it DEFINITELY came from the USA.

DENY IGNORANCE. Please.

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nimda

posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 04:08 AM

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I think this story about the epidemic virus that would kill over a billion people could be true and scientist already know that, specially the Russian government & the CIA.
Take this as an example then tell me your opinion
epidemic began in Asia and soon spread to Europe where it killed well over 25 million people in less than four years.
The epidemic spread between 1347 and 1350 .

Muaddib

posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by soficrow

FYI - the evolution of this flu has been tracked since 1980 when a human disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) first was found in domestic turkeys in the USA (see Pubmed, Julian).
............

Soficrow, I continue to see you exagerating information to fit your own agenda....

Let me quote...

First described by Leadbetter and Burkland in 1938, FMD is an arterial disease typically affecting the renal arteries in 85% of patients and often presenting as renovascular hypertension

Excerpted from.
www.emedicine.com...

There goes your evidence that FMD was first discovered in domestic turkeys in the US since 1980....

I saw your other response after posting this.... Your earlier post seems to suggest exactly what I said above...

I do fail to see the link between FMD and H5N1, how did you reach this conclusion? or who said this is the case? where is the evidence for this?

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soficrow

posted on Nov, 4 2004 @ 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by FlyersFan

FYI - the evolution of this flu has been tracked since 1980 when a human disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) first was found in domestic turkeys in the USA (see Pubmed, Julian).

By 1996, FMD had spread to quail in Japan.

By 1997, it had evolved to H5N1 bird flu in Hong Kong.

...(in 2001), researchers in Brazil documented the presence of FMD in avian reovirus - a contagious but non-deadly bird virus - showing the evolutionary path.

Also FYI - FMD causes mutations in the stem cells for connective tissue, via an actin protein. ...actin is present in virtually every cell of every species on the planet - it appears that FMD uses actin and actin related proteins to cross species and kingdom barriers, and to hitch-hike on viruses, bacteria etc to spread. Numerous diffrent mutation tracks have evolved over the years, bird flu being only one.

.....also FYI - US agencies and institutions like the Mayo Clinic and CDC have been issuing dire and urgent flu warnings since 1997...as has the World Health Organization. ...every epidemiologist and nation in the world knows it's coming, and has for several years.

However, many leaders in government and industry support a policy of 'benign neglect.' The theory is that a major plague will take care of the world's overpopulation problem, weed out the weak - and leave behind a superior and immune human population.

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Muadib - see above. ...FMD first was acknowledged in people in the USA in 1938 - it spread to animals, and first was discovered in turkeys in the USA in 1980 - after which its evolution in birds was tracked...

All of the references are on the PubMed database for the US National Institutes of Health.

...may I suggest that you make the effort to educate yourself, at least minimally, before you start slinging your little arrows?

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