Reagan Warned Us About Obama

reply to post by ANOK

Please quit calling me deluded. All you have is your uninformed opinion, where is your evidence that I am wrong?

Oh please anyone can go back and read just about any thread you have spouted your commie BS on and I have shut you down with plenty of evidence logic and reason along with others. You seem to think just because you keep repeating your idiocy that some how makes it so. You live in your own little fantasy land and just ignore factual history. You cannot point to any working model of your deluded convoluted theories and never will... The same commie BS you spout has been spouted through out history and resulted in the deaths of millions. Pleas stop promoting this death cult BS!

reply to post by hawkiye


So once again please provide evidence I am wrong.

I am showing you the true history that is missing from your schools, and the out rite lies of the establishment.

Stop trying to discredit me, you never show any evidence of your claims.

You don't even know any socialists other than Marx do you? You have no idea who Bakunin was do you?

My quotes and links showing evidence are just ignored by you, what's up with that? Do you have an agenda to silence the truth?

Laugh all you want, you will never ever prove me wrong. And once again dear readers notice this poster refuses to answer my question...

How can anarchists be socialists by your definition?

So why won't you answer this question? Should be easy for someone who knows so much about this eh?

reply to post by poet1b

In the end, corporations are just another communist scam.

Im sorry but seeing as how I dont think you are meaning a corporation in some sort of existential Leninist context, I would very much like to clear something up if you dont mind.

"Finally, when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation, private property will disappear of its own accord, money will become superfluous, and production will so expand and man so change that society will be able to slough off whatever of its old economic habits may remain."

This is an easy enough quote to find by Frederick Engels, it relates to the definitions of communism and where I think you may be getting confused.

Here is another.

Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order

NOW

How in your mind do you rationalise any of that with ANY comparison to modern day mega corporations?.

Perhaps in the early days of co-operatives and what not, yes yes, I dont think you know what they are, but you could be on to something with that.

But Im just asking how is it in a million years can you equate the last 400 years from the early days of mercantilism to what we have now ultimately epitomized by global mega corporations as anything akin to communism???

reply to post by ANOK


The concept of communism was around long before Marx.

The ideal of communism, and the reality are very different.

That is why the USSR was state-capitalist and not communist, the state owned the means of production. Communism is not state ownership, that was just propaganda to demonise the idea, and to fuel the arms race so arms manufactures could make more money.

What you are saying here is essentially what I am saying. The difference being that IMO, any attempt to create a communist system will always turn out like the USSR, or China.

I would also point out that capitalism is a component of a market economy, IMO, it should not be the basis of the economy. Even property ownership should have its limits. Assets like the water supply or avenues of transportation should not be owned by any group. In order for a market system to function efficiently, there must be a fair set of evenly enforced rules which also include limits on property rights.

I understand the concept behind incorporation, and I am against any form of corporation being given the status of an individual, or the owners who control a corporation having their assets completely shielded from liability for their actions, while acting behind the corporate mask.

For example, when the banks failed, the corporate execs who made huge amount of money while riding those institutions into bankruptcy, should have had all that money taken back, and then some.

What I am saying is that the current International Corporation has morphed into a communist entity akin to the former USSR.

reply to post by Tuttle


I was thinking I should start a thread on this, probably this weekend.

I do see the parallels, as expressed in comments above. All the components are there. It is one con job morphed into another.

Ronald Reagan was probably the last eloquent president we had. If you ever get a chance read his speeches they reveal a whole new dimension to Mr. Reagan which is something our current leadership lacks

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Reagan was a big business and bank slave / puppet

The real spending and debt skyrocketed under Reagan and US had a boom on a credit card.

Not sayin Obama is better, not saying that at all. Just pointing out that Reagan was a puppet too.

This is a very good video. Thank you OP

reply to post by tallcool1


Wow, talk about misunderstanding. I never once used the word racist, you went there… Conscience much?

You missed the whole point of my post. My rant was about being tired of listening to other senseless rants and instead turn that energy towards doing something positive.

I've been disabled since 1994 (spinal cord injury C4 by paralyzed from the chest down). You couldn't be more wrong about me concerning the prior president. The first thing he did was cut domestic spending and increase defense spending basically taking any whole I had of a cure back then throwing it away. Not to mention his pandering to the religious right when it came to retarding our research on stem cells.

Neither am I happy with the present president about a lot of things. But I also understand there's limits with the office. I don't know how old you are, but I am in my 50s. I have never witnessed a president that had to deal with the adversity that this present Congress (GOP) as presented. That is just the fact. You have to be blind if you think it has nothing to do with race.

As far as I'm concerned this whole country is gone to hell since the Clinton Administration and the lack of respect the office that occurred during that time. It was in my view a Pandora's box that can never be close. Add to that a party stealing an election, something I naïvely thought could never happen in America. That's how I feel, I'm not blind. I just understand you want real change you don't cry about it. You have to get off your ass and do something about it.

I will say one thing, it is very easy to misunderstand a poster's position in this two-dimensional atmosphere.

reply to post by poet1b

I was thinking I should start a thread on this, probably this weekend. I do see the parallels, as expressed in comments above. All the components are there. It is one con job morphed into another.

Look forward to reading it, you may want to examine the history of commercial cooperatives, you may find a lot of surprising parallels to the sort of pseudo communist economics your arguing for. They were very popular in Scotland and England at the onset of the Industrial Revolution, a chap named Robert Owen considered to be the founder of the movement and a strong voice for labour reform may perhaps be worth looking into aswell.

History of the Cooperative Movement
Robert Owen

And maybe even at a stretch government bonds could be argued, though purely from an economic point of view.

The trouble with communism many seem to have is grasping communism IS NOT purely a system of economics, it is also essentialy a system of governance. It has surprisingly little to do with capitalism, other than the fact it just so happens to be a different form of capitalism and at the same time conflicts with the system of capitalism we now employ in the western world. Hence all that brainwashing about the red menace.

reply to post by Tuttle


Thanks for the links, I was planning on researching the evolution of the corporation, why not include some research on early attempts at communism.

To be clear, I don't support the idea of communism, I think it is a big scam.

I would like to see a return to cottage industries.

Speaking from one who has been to Germany after the wall fell and seen first hand the desolation, and I have been to China and have seen for myself the segmentation of the classes. Cant we just bury Marx with the NAZI's.
Limiting government has nothing to do with race. Left/Right its all baloney meant to divide and acheive power over the unwashed masses! If we really took the red pill then all the bums would be thrown out. That will never happen as some 60% of the voters don't know the constitution, probably 98 percent have never read the Federalist Papers, or for that matter the Anti federalist papers. I bet they were all taught about Marx in school!
Talk about indoctrination.

reply to post by caveman61


Do you realize that the people who preach free market and small government always increase the size of government through military expenditures, whose sole purpose is to support the global corporate empire, and stick US taxpayers with the debt.

If you voted for Reagan, you voted for communism.

Yeah George Carlin warned us too. He said that republicans were against all street crime, except Wall street. That was prophetic to say the least.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Description:

How Reagan summed up Obama in the first 5 minutes of a speech over 40 years ago.

In this clever video, the editor calls up a Reagan speech, and then contrasts his points with actual events that take place later in the Obama era. Point after point is dead on. With over 3 million views, I was amazed not to find it immediately in ATS search. I thought if it wasn't on ATS, it probably didn't matter? It's probably around here somewhere.

But regardless, excellent viewing for the politically concerned.

edit on Wed Jan 30th 2013 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)

People like Obama have always existed. He's describing a mentality, not a human being.

What's changed is we have a severe deterioration of society.

Handouts, criminals rights, and persecution of law abiding citizens.

Obama is giving out record amounts of welfare, but taking away soldiers breakfast rations in warzones.

People like him have always existed.

They always will.

It's up to other people to keep that craziness in check. Sadly, we've become too fat & too happy. People are content as long as Dancing w/ the Stars comes on at the right time and nobody threatens their right to kill an unborn human child.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


You beat me to it:

"Reagan Warned Us About Obama" - Video
www.abovetopsecret.com...
by this_is_who_we_are
started on 4/20/2013 @ 11:48 AM

Perhaps my thread should be closed in light of your thread. Kudos.