Majority of smokers do not have lung disease?

You heard that right folks!

If you didn't believe in the power of special interest lobby groups around the world - think about how insane this headline sounds to you...do your research if you are particularly piqued by it - are you going to continue to put 2 and 2 together to get 5? Obviously, this does not make sense...think of how liberating it felt to blame 'passive smoke' on the lung cancers being contracted by non-smokers, on smokers...

Use your brain and have a think about what kind of toxins get breathed into the lungs in a modern city...do you reckon none of this is causing lung cancer?

A melbourne councillor has proposed the banning of smoking in the whole of the CBD, and areas under the purview of the central melbourne council precinct...
One wonders what illuminated thought process would continue to allow (given the 'seriousness' of thier efforts) the continued presence of cars, trucks, close proximity telecom relay dishes etc...while dumb citizens sit on street corners drinking thier soy lattes as the fumes waft lovingly into thier lungs...passive smoking?

You gotta wonder about the intelligence of humans sometimes...

A99

Originally posted by ajay59
I actually considered the possibility that with all the different ways TPTB are trying to kill us off such as, chem trails, GMO foods and the like, maybe cig. smoking counters it all so they want us not to smoke. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants were it to be true?

I don't know.. but consider this, My mother smoked for 50 yrs (non-filtered cigarettes). She decided one day to quit and never smoked another one. Over 4 yrs later she died of lung cancer. She was Dx'ed in Feb. and gone 5 months later.

My sister contacted the cancer society and a member there told her in confidence that it was probably my mothers quitting that lead to her disease. Now I know how ludicrous that sounds, but.. her explanation was this; your mothers body had adjusted to the inhalant, but when she quit her body could not adjust to the lack of inhalant after becoming so adjusted for so many yrs..

So, I don't know much, but I feel that smoking is bad for me and even though this is going to sound like a cop out.. I'm leery of quitting completely now as I know of several such cases where people got sick after quitting.

It's more than smoking that causes cancer though.. the cells in the body have to/need to go through much before cancer can take over in the body.. it's amazing how much it takes to develop and grow into cancer that metastasizes, so..who gets cancer and who doesn't is a crapshoot IMO.

I wish this was all definitely true. I miss cigarettes.. I just love them, and the act of smoking. I love sitting out on the deck in the summer and spring with my friends on the weekend, chatting away and smoking a cigarette. I also love going outside to smoke a cigarette, and bring a book to read. Winter, summer, any time of year. I also loved to reward myself after working hard, or to take a break during working to have a cigarette break.

I used to smoke about a pack a day, but three years ago I stopped for 6 months without even one. Since then, I only smoke socially, one cigarette every few weeks with my friends. I really miss it.. I don't miss the smell of it, I always smoked outside and wearing this robe I dedicated to smoking, so that only that robe smells like smoke, not my clothes.

My one friend recently got one of the electronic cigarettes to try, and I tried it one day.. That thing is really interesting. But still not the same as a real cigarette. I just don't miss that whistling sound I would get every time I let a breath in or out. Once I stopped, that sound went away.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


They should start an organization of long time smokers who quit and have them go around to middle schools and high schools around the country and talk to kids about how they feel after they quit smoking. Maybe it would stop some kids from ever picking up the habit. I think a lot of high school kids pick up the habit because of peer pressure, thinking it makes them look cool or because they're following the habit of a parent who smokes.

I think the percentage of high school students who smoke, has gone way down since I was attending high school.

I think its probley ok in moderation. I smoked for about 10 years. I quit about 6 months ago and feel much better. I started building muscle faster and have tons more energy. I guess I just got sick of doing something that can hurt me. I'm glad I quit. When the world falls apart and it comes down to civil war or something I'll start smoking again. . Good luck peeps!

You are right in that lung cancer is not the big worry, the misconception is because cancer charities and foundations hijacked anti-smoking campaign for their own gains.

that doesn't mean smoking is safe, the danger is real, but cancer doesn't rank up there

reply to post by ZeroReady


I am a smoker and I'm starting to lose my breath more and more now. I just can't quit, but you did the right thing by quitting. It's not just the lungs affected by smoke. I was told that my high cholesterol is because my liver is producing more cholesterol, which is somehow caused by cigarettes.

I have Peripheral Arterial Disease in my legs - smoking did this.

Cigarettes are all bad and no good. I hate smoking - I love smoking. It's a sickness.

I started dipping at the age if 12. Thanks to an older brother, my best friend got sick of spit cups, so she handed me a cigarette, been smoking ever since. Still enjoy a dip every now and then. Guys at work spit on the floor ( which I find to be disgusting) I wish I could quit. If I get stressed out enough, or have a whole lot to do, I can go a week without eating and not even blink. Been that way since I was a kid. Can control myself enough not to eat, but if I don't have a cigarette, my ol' man would wouldn't know what to do me.

reply to post by WeRpeons

They should start an organization of long time smokers who quit and have them go around to middle schools and high schools around the country and talk to kids about how they feel after they quit smoking.

You know, that's really not a bad idea. I have years of school yet to go in getting to the degree I am working toward so I'd have the time to see the results of the effort. I ought to mention this to Student Government and see if perhaps it could go somewhere at the college? If not there, perhaps the University when I move up to it. I know we have a 0 tolerance no tobacco policy on campus. Indoors/Outdoors, doesn't matter. It's nice actually and now that I think about it? I haven't actually seen anyone smoking outside of their own vehicles in the parking lots. No one bothers anyone out in the lots...and that's probably how it ought to be.

The point though is that this is sure a positive environment to get such a thing going. Thanks for the idea! Heck, I'd be happy to go to classrooms myself after getting through public speaking and finding I actually enjoy it.

Originally posted by ZeroReady

Only about 20 percent of smokers actually develop the worst effects of smoking, noted Hachem.

I have a mate who is a commercial diver and has smoked for over 20 years. I went spearfishing with him and he can stay under the water for well over 2 minutes on a single breath.

I don't know what percentage of people are "immune" to the effects of smoking, but he is sure one of them. He is a freak.

i have smoked for over 40 years. i 2002 i came down with the auto immune disease Sarcoidosis..
this is a lung disease in many except in smokers.

for smokers they very seldom get it in the lungs

I did not have pulmonary sarcoidosis in the lungs i have it in the lymph nodes and neurosarcoidosis only.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

reply to post by ZeroReady


Just wanted to add a relative works for a lab that adds ...well additives to tobacco and said "don't ever smoke cigs with additives... ."

Now, never mind that they will burn in hell (and they sorta deserve to as they aren't the most warm and wonderful of folks) but the non-additive smokes are MORE expensive than the ones with all sort of well researched chemical additives for taste and extra addictiveness... that's effed up.

The point though is that this is sure a positive environment to get such a thing going. Thanks for the idea! Heck, I'd be happy to go to classrooms myself after getting through public speaking and finding I actually enjoy it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


It could be a rewarding experience especially when you realize you've made a difference in someone's life. Don't be surprised if in the future some man or women walks up to you on the street and says "I remember you, you're the person that prevented me from taking up smoking when I was in high school." It certainly makes you feel good inside.

reply to post by ZeroReady


Just switch to weed and you won't have to worry about anything except a urine test.

MODS: Cannabis is legal in Washington State. Thanks.

Lima-1, out.

Originally posted by Baddogma
reply to post by ZeroReady

 

Just wanted to add a relative works for a lab that adds ...well additives to tobacco and said "don't ever smoke cigs with additives... ."

Now, never mind that they will burn in hell (and they sorta deserve to as they aren't the most warm and wonderful of folks) but the non-additive smokes are MORE expensive than the ones with all sort of well researched chemical additives for taste and extra addictiveness... that's effed up.

The natural cigs sold in stores still have the fire safe paper on them. Nasty stuff IMO. They have roll your own stores in Florida, not sure about elsewhere. You can get a carton for less than $30. The tobacco has no additives and taste much better as well. Takes about 20 minutes to buy the tobacco and then go the club next door to roll them in the automatic machines. You are allowed to smoke as you roll. My mix is half red and half gold in a Ramback filter. Makes a tasty cigarette.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

They have roll your own stores in Florida, not sure about elsewhere. You can get a carton for less than $30.

They're trying to tax the roll-your-own stores here in AZ so that they'll be less, less expensive- apparently the big tobacco company lobbyists are hard at work...

Can't smokers (i.e. someone insuring against being a burden in old age) be left alone?

Trying to e-smoke but it just isn't the same ...sigh (*cough*) ahhhk... pah-too!

My BIL used to smoke, heavily until he died of pancreatic cancer about 6 years ago. He lived in a 5th wheel for the last two years of his life because he was always broke. You can’t even imagine the heavy coating of crap on the walls, ceiling and everything else in the 5th wheel. The stench was horrible. While taking a wet soapy sponge and wiping down one large stroke on the smoke coated walls, the sponge had massive ‘stuff’ on it. Look in bars where smoking is allowed, the ceilings and wall are coated with the pollution. The stench is disgusting. If all that crap is on the walls, I can only imagine what’s in the lungs. I’m sure we have all exhaled through a tissue. No one can tell me that crap isn’t affecting the lungs. This isn’t rocket science. Some people drink all their lives and don’t have liver disease. Some people smoke all their lives and don’t suffer ill effects. But that’s the way the cookie crumbles. A majority of people who smoke will suffer from it somewhere down the line, one way or the other. I'm an ex smoker and thankful I was having a hard time breathing because of heavy smoking. It scared me pretty bad even though I loved smoking. In fact that is what I hear from most smokers and ex smokers, they LOVE smoking. We each have our own motivations to help us overcome if we want to.

Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
reply to post by ZeroReady

 

Just switch to weed and you won't have to worry about anything except a urine test.

MODS: Cannabis is legal in Washington State. Thanks.

Lima-1, out.

edit on 31-1-2013 by OperationIraqiFailure because: (no reason given)

Legal or not, still against site T&C to speak of it. Please don't get my thread shut down.

Well they may not have lung disease, smoking is tobacco is still bad for you. Before pestilent was used on tobacco, very few people died from smoking, and tobacco grew very tall, this was a very long time ago.. Coming from a ex-smoker I quit last year, during my I have had enough era I quit smoking and drinking still occasionally drink but nothing near the times where I would smoke and drink and live unhealthy. I just woke up one morning and said what the hell am I doing. For those wanting to quit smoking and have tried everything like I had, try chantix..

I have not smoked in over a year now, and have no desire to smoke again...

The smokers may not have lung disease yet cancer etc, but it increases the chances significantly, also smoking is very very bad for your heart...

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Bicent76

There is NO proof that smoking is bad for your heart. If a never-smoker has a risk of heart disease of 1, the risk of heart disease for a smoker is 1.67. That difference is clinically insignificant.

This is our badly they are lying about smoking and the risk of heart disease

tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.ca...


If they would lie this badly - its because there is nothing there in the first place.

Tired of Control Freaks