Jesus was a Buddhist?

reply to post by Akragon

Are you claiming that the gospels are incorrect?

He did not ever claim to be God... That is a fact according to scripture...

You are correct;
He did not ever claim to be "God." Sorry......I was in an excitable mood....

reply to post by Akragon

Are you claiming that the gospels are incorrect?

Well, yeah. That, also!

They are hearsay and written after the fact; and they don't agree with each other.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Akragon

 

Are you claiming that the gospels are incorrect?

Well, yeah. That, also!

They are hearsay and written after the fact; and they don't agree with each other.

Minor details don't agee with each other... the message found within the texts (meaning his words) agree with each other...

Perhaps you might show where his words contradict?

reply to post by Akragon

where his words contradict?

Whose words? The Bible's included Gospels are hearsay, and were written after the fact.
Jesus' words? Those of "Jesus' words" that are recorded are hearsay, and only recorded. Jesus wrote nothing that we know of. So, all of his "words" are presented to us by "word of mouth."

reply to post by Akragon

Perhaps you might show where his words contradict?

Akra,
really?

A person can only show how the four 'Gospels' contradict one another.
There is no 'diary of Jesus' to look to for contradictions.

You asked to discuss the vid. I watched it, and am discussing it. Did it not indicate that the "resurrection" is not indicated in the majority of the included Biblical Gospels?
Perhaps I'm confused between the two; your vid, the book I referenced, and the vid I posted. Sorry to be off-topic, btw.

reply to post by Akragon


I haven't got to see the video as of yet Akragon, but to add to the OP.

These deities Energies may be able to Return through time and if you can view them coming from the SAME CREATOR/SOURCE, then they to 1 are Brethren who Carry similar vibrational Frequencies as others not mentioned in the OP.

So to 1 its not hard to say past BUDDAH / future MAYTRIA and LORD JESUS CHRIST energies have crossed paths in the process of guiding Souls/Spirits/ Internal Energies during the Phases of Life and Death within EXISTENCE... Not to mention those brethren from elsewhere spoken of and respect/worshiped for their Positive deeds in their encounters with other CREATOR Creations elsewhere... LOVE is LOVE and LIGHT shines in many forms and Spectrums. This is why 1 tries not to allow labels to govern 1z feelings towards Higher vibrating CREATOR Creations who may be spoken of in various names here on EA*RTH.

NAMASTE
LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA*******

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Akragon

 

where his words contradict?

Whose words? The Bible's included Gospels are hearsay, and were written after the fact.
Jesus' words? Those of "Jesus' words" that are recorded are hearsay, and only recorded. Jesus wrote nothing that we know of. So, all of his "words" are presented to us by "word of mouth."

The words he supposedly said to his followers found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...

We can't debate something that can't be proven...

Why be facetious, you know what I mean...

A person can only show how the four 'Gospels' contradict one another.
There is no 'diary of Jesus' to look to for contradictions.

That was my point... He wrote nothing...

So we can only use what we have

reply to post by wildtimes

You asked to discuss the vid. I watched it, and am discussing it. Did it not indicate that the "resurrection" is not indicated in the majority of the included Biblical Gospels?

It definitely leans on the idea that he survived as opposed to resurrected...

One of the things I found intriguing was that they said he could have been drugged... so as to make him seem dead... I've always thought they gave him vinegar whilst he was on the cross... but if it was a sedative or possibly a pain killer mixed with the vinegar that makes survival more likely...

Of course this is speculation but it is a good argument....

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Claiming to be "the son of God" is equal to saying I am God to his accusers...

He did not say I AM GOD... Only that he was sent by the ONE

There are more ways to claim deity than to say specifically, I am God. One huge way in that Jewish culture is to claim to be the Great I AM, the Name God gave to Moses. Jesus said He preexisted Moses as the Great I AM. When we in this culture run the risk of missing something in that Hebrew culture, look to the Pharisees, they always bail us out.

Jesus was murdered for claiming to be God.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Actually the Gospels of Judas and Gospels of Mary Magdalyne as well as other that were not allowed to be placed in the Bible as these Gospels stated that Jesus said that we can all be Son's and Daughter's of GOD if we just follow and practice his teachings.

This was in conflict with the base four Apostles Gospels in the Bible that state that Jesus claimed to be the Son of GOD.

Since we do not have any actual original Text. or Gospels written by the Apostles and all text we do have was written by others such as Monks and other Men of Religion...the question of whether Jesus claimed to be the actual Son of GOD cannot be proven.

Split Infinity

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Do you know why the early Christians overwhelmingly rejected pseudographical texts?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

There are more ways to claim deity than to say specifically, I am God. One huge way in that Jewish culture is to claim to be the Great I AM, the Name God gave to Moses. Jesus said He preexisted Moses as the Great I AM.

IF Jesus was the Father he would know it... and thus would claim to be "the Father" instead of worshiping himself... but he worshiped One that was Greater then himself...

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


This IS a declaration of his diety, but not him saying I AM GOD...


On the other hand In john 10 you can see "the jews" making the claim that he said he "makes himself God"

And he stuffs their lies down their own throats...

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

So again we see.... he never claims to be God, and even questions those who say he did...

Through out the gospels you see SON OF GOD... he makes that claim specifically... others claimed it... His followers even asked him if he was the son of God... The Christ...

John 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

He taught it in his ministry...

John 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Satan Called him "the son of God"

Matthew 4:6
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Demons called him "the son of God'

Matthew 8
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

So my question is... why would he be deceptive?

IF he was God he would have claimed it outright as he did with his real title... but he knew better because Calling himself The ONE God would be a lie against his own Father, the one HE worshiped.

Of course then we get into the trinity... but lets not honestly...

Lets stick to whats in the gospels here if you don't mind... as it is on topic

When we in this culture run the risk of missing something in that Hebrew culture, look to the Pharisees, they always bail us out.

Jesus was murdered for claiming to be God.

You're not seriously going to take the Pharisees word over Jesus are you?

reply to post by Akragon


I never said He claimed to be the Father. He's the Son.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Akragon

 

Are you claiming that the gospels are incorrect?

He did not ever claim to be God... That is a fact according to scripture...

You are correct;
He did not ever claim to be "God." Sorry......I was in an excitable mood....

Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest

From Genesis to Revelation, scripture is very clear who came down teaching and who was rejected by many in Judea. And just as the teachers and leaders swayed the crowds to reject Jesus for an unknowable enigmatic murderer, robber and insurrectionist ....you cannot discern the same is happening today. The world does not want it's Creator and the God of Heaven, it wants to wallow in its sin and be god defining its own good and evil, and to this end the world loves the idea of an unknowable "force" which does not hold accountable nor judge us for our deeds whilst in the physical body.

Those who accept the belief in an unknowable force MUST reject the very scripture which declares from start to finish exactly who Jesus is.

"Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin." John 8:24

There is only one who can say that. Rejecting the Truth for the lie makes zero difference to the promise above, for Truth stands no matter how much man rejects it.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


In your religion the son is equal to the Father... despite the fact that the son said otherwise...

In Judaism Claiming to be the son of God is equal to Claiming to be God... even Though the one who claimed to be the son did not claim to be the God.

See where im going here?

I know im beating a dead horse because we've done this little dance several times...

Regardless... here it is again

reply to post by Akragon


He said He was the Great I AM. There is no greater claim to being God in the Hebrew culture.

That's why they wanted Him murdered.

Jesus had insisted that the duanis (powers) of God were not for him alone. Paul developed this insight by arguing that Jesus
had been the first example of a new type of humanity. Not only had he done everything that the old Israel had failed to
achieve, but he had become the new adam, the new humanity into which all human beings, goyim included, must somehow
participate. [22] Again, this is not dissimilar to the Buddhist belief that, since all Buddhas had become one with the
Absolute, the human ideal was to participate in Buddhahood.

In his letter to the Church at Philippi, Paul quotes what is generally considered to be a very early Christian hymn which
raises some important issues. He tells his converts that they must have the same self-sacrificing attitude as Jesus,
Who subsisting in the form of God
did not cling
to his equality with God
but emptied himself,
to assume the condition of a slave,
and became as men are;
and being as men are,
he was humbler yet,
even to accepting death,
death on a cross.
But God raised him high
and gave him the name
which is above all names
so that all beings
in the heavens, on earth and in the underworld,
should bend the knee at the name of Jesus
and that every tongue should acclaim
Jesus Christ as Lord (kyrios)
to the glory of God the Father. [23]

The hymn seems to reflect a belief among the first Christians that Jesus had enjoyed some kind of prior existence 'with God' before becoming a man in the act of ‘self-emptying' (kenosis) by which, like a bodhisattva, he had decided to share the suffering of the human condition.

Paul was too Jewish to accept the idea of Christ existing as a second divine being beside YHWH from all eternity. The hymn shows that after his exaltation he is still distinct from and inferior to God, who raises him and confers the tide kyrios upon him. He cannot assume it himself but is given this title only 'to the glory of God the Father'.

From Ch 3: A Light to the Gentiles

Some forty years later, the author of St John's Gospel (written c.1oo) made a similar suggestion. In his prologue, he
described the Word (logos) which had been 'with God from the beginning' and had been the agent of creation: 'Through him all things came to be, not one thing had its being but through him.' [24]

The author was not using the Greek word logos in the same way as Philo: he appears to have been more in tune with Palestinian than Hellenised Judaism. In the Aramaic translations of the Hebrew scriptures known as the targums, which were being composed at this time, the term Memra (word) is used to describe God's activity in the world. It performs the same function as other technical terms like 'glory', 'Holy Spirit' and 'Shekinah' which emphasised the distinction between God's presence in the world and the incomprehensible reality of God itself. Like the divine Wisdom, the 'Word' symbolised God's original plan for creation.

When Paul and John speak about Jesus as though he had some kind of pre-existent life, they were not suggesting that he was a second divine 'person' in the later Trinitarian sense. They were indicating that Jesus had transcended temporal and individual modes of existence. Because the 'power' and 'wisdom' that he re-presented were activities that derived from God, he had in some way expressed 'what was there from the beginning'.[25]

None of them! Not Jesus, nor Paul, nor Peter, nor the author of John said he was God.
They just didn't.
It all got twisted around later.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I am who I am and I can't change that. I am not saying I am god though.

Our Messiah did not leave a 'diary' simply because he understood the nature of man well.

If he had written it down, it could be easily misinterpretated and qouted out of text by latter ones, as history had proven even today.

Thus, he chosed 12 disciples, normal men, not authors or scribes, to EACH write down what he said and done, so that latter generations WILL HAVE 12 books, written by ordinary men, closed to him, with different perspectives, but his words and deeds will not stray from the original spoken ones, TO CROSS REFERENCE, SO AS TO DEDUCE WHAT HE SAID AND DID.

Ultimately, in the end, not every word from those books will be exactly in the manner he spoke, but IT WILL BE THE CENTRAL TENETS, of what was said and done, in relation to its context, that is ours and future generations moral and ethical guide.

Moses was fearful of his mission and task which involved confronting the Pharoh of Egypt, whom believes himself the son of RA, and sought for our common Creator's help. Moses asked - 'If pharoh asks for the name of Him whom we worshipped to and that Pharoh must submit, what shall we say', His answer was ' I AM'.

Thus when pharoh ask that questioned - who is your God, Moses answered him 'I AM'. Imagine the shock of Pharoh, and worse, when plagues and ill tidings befell Egypt by Moses' command which pharoh's mages could not even conjure up. He submitted and the enslaved hebrews fled Egypt.

'I AM' is an empowering phrase, for mortals who follows the divine moral and ethical guidelines laid out by our Creator Himself and through His divine teachers sent. Men will know that phrase when another uses it, if it holds true, for it will be his words and actions that reflects the Will of our Creator.

For simpler understanding, lets say I tell you my name is 'Nobody' and teach you to stand up courageously for your rights. And then when you confront your authorities,they will ask who taught you? You can most honestly tell them 'Nobody taught me'. See that empowerment to yourself?

Any other man who uses the phrase 'I AM' , unfortunately, will only be laughed at and derided, for his words and actions only prove that of a mad man. We all are flawed.

However, when our Messiah used it, he backed up his words and miracles performed, to show that he was indeed sent by our Creator.

And for that, he was murdered. as prophecied, for by mortal death and willingness to be sacrificed, it served a wake up call for all mankind to make the world a better place than it was before.

While we are not at Utopia today, we are most certainly on the way, a progressive distance far from that of our forefathers and ancestors, with still a long way to go, but so long as we remain true to He who lives in our hearts, and to follow His guidelines set out for our progress and evolution, we will get there, leaving none behind.

reply to post by Akragon


interesting video, i had heard about the tomb in kashmir but the buddhist connection is new. I read a book that said that he went to egypt and learnt and got initiated in some cult there, also heard about that sponge soaked in some anesthetic and the healing herbs being taken to the cave.
One thing that also interest me is the reaction of Mary Magdalene

15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?
Whom are you seeking?” She, supposing Him to be the
gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You
have carried Him away, tell me where
You have laid Him, and I will take Him
away.”

why and where would she be interested to take away a dead body? Home with her? Unless she already knew that he is just hurt but alive.
Also

16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say,
Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My
Father; but go to My brethren and say
to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father
and your Father, and to My God and
your God.’”

she wants to hug him as she found him but no surprise at him being "resurrected" and "for I have not yet ascended" can easily mean "for I have not yet died" too.
At the end he does acknowledges that he is going to his God, that means he is not god but has the same Creator as all.