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Originally posted by beckybecky
According to data compiled from the government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), as many as 145,000 children or more have died...
as many as 145,000 children or more have died throughout the past 20 years as a result of this multiple vaccine dose approach
Federal law protects pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits by parents who claim that vaccines harmed their children, the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.
The court ruled 6 to 2 that going before a special tribunal set up by Congress is the only way parents can be compensated for the negative side effects that in rare instances accompany vaccinations.
The majority said that Congress found such a system necessary to ensure that vaccines remain readily available, and that federal regulators are in the best position to decide whether vaccines are safe and properly designed.
Originally posted by beckybecky
According to data compiled from the government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), as many as 145,000 children or more have died throughout the past 20 years as a result of this multiple vaccine dose approach, and few parents are aware of this shocking fact
The 1133 reported male deaths out of a total of 20,174 male cases and 723 reported female deaths out of 17,630 female cases yield mortality rates of 5.6% (95% CI, 5.3–5.9%) and 4.1% (95% CI, 3.8–4.4%), respectively. The male-to-female mortality RR of 1.4 (95% CI, 1.3–1.5) is statistically significant
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
OP, expect the same cast of characters to come out and bash you on your thread.
However, S & F for you, for putting this out there. The whole vaccine myth is flawed, but since there is so much money in it, it is to the benefit of the manufacturers to continue to push it.
Don't let 'em derail this thread by attacking the source, or telling you that you do not understand "real science", etc. The sources they would accept as "reputable" are the same ones that are Pharma-supported.
Vaccines are not all that safe, otherwise there wouldn't be a VAERS and a "special tribunal" set up to shield the manufacturers from all the lawsuits.
Federal law protects pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits by parents who claim that vaccines harmed their children, the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.
The court ruled 6 to 2 that going before a special tribunal set up by Congress is the only way parents can be compensated for the negative side effects that in rare instances accompany vaccinations.
The majority said that Congress found such a system necessary to ensure that vaccines remain readily available, and that federal regulators are in the best position to decide whether vaccines are safe and properly designed.
www.washingtonpost.com...
When federal regulators, such as those in the FDA, were previously employed by Pharma, and there is an established revolving door in which FDA employees can go work for Pharma and vice versa, you can be sure the regulators will always side with the corporation.
If those who believe in vaccines wish to get them, and inject their children and grandchildren, then fine. However, the push to vaccinate everybody is suspect to me.
If vaccines work so well, then those who get them should have no fear of those who do not.
Originally posted by tnhiker
Regardless of the poor reporting by two websites
Originally posted by alkali
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
OP, expect the same cast of characters to come out and bash you on your thread.
However, S & F for you, for putting this out there. The whole vaccine myth is flawed, but since there is so much money in it, it is to the benefit of the manufacturers to continue to push it.
Don't let 'em derail this thread by attacking the source, or telling you that you do not understand "real science", etc. The sources they would accept as "reputable" are the same ones that are Pharma-supported.
Vaccines are not all that safe, otherwise there wouldn't be a VAERS and a "special tribunal" set up to shield the manufacturers from all the lawsuits.
Federal law protects pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits by parents who claim that vaccines harmed their children, the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.
The court ruled 6 to 2 that going before a special tribunal set up by Congress is the only way parents can be compensated for the negative side effects that in rare instances accompany vaccinations.
The majority said that Congress found such a system necessary to ensure that vaccines remain readily available, and that federal regulators are in the best position to decide whether vaccines are safe and properly designed.
www.washingtonpost.com...
When federal regulators, such as those in the FDA, were previously employed by Pharma, and there is an established revolving door in which FDA employees can go work for Pharma and vice versa, you can be sure the regulators will always side with the corporation.
If those who believe in vaccines wish to get them, and inject their children and grandchildren, then fine. However, the push to vaccinate everybody is suspect to me.
If vaccines work so well, then those who get them should have no fear of those who do not.
Are you suggesting that we not question an extremely biased source that is known for crappy reporting?
The study says that from 1990-2010 there were 39,082 infant cases reported. Of those, there were 6279 hospitalizations and 1881 deaths. Not 145,800 deaths. There is absolutely no evidence to even remotely support the claim of 145,800 deaths.
Distribution of infant cases reported as hospitalized or as a death to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) by year, 1990–2010. Note: 1990 was a partial year of VAERS reporting.
Originally posted by beckybecky
confidential study conducted by Connaught Laboratories, a vaccine manufacturer, indicated that ‘‘a fifty-fold under-reporting of adverse events’’ is likely.
Originally posted by beckybecky
But you are totally wrong and misrepresenting the facts.Why?
look:-
[A] confidential study conducted by Connaught Laboratories, a vaccine manufacturer, indicated that ‘‘a fifty-fold under-reporting of adverse events’’ is likely. According to
David Kessler, former commissioner of the FDA, ‘‘only about one percent of serious events [adverse drug reactions] are reported.
If, according to the study’s report above, only 1 to 2 out of 100 adverse events is reported, then the numbers reported by VAERS need to be multiplied by 50 to 100!
do you what factor of 50 means?
google it.
But you conveniently "forgot" the UNDER REPORTING of vaccine deaths by 50 times.Explain that.edit on 25-1-2013 by beckybecky because: more facts.
Accuracy of reports
VAERS is a passive surveillance system, and the large number of reports to VAERS increases the likelihood that some reports may not be adequately checked for accuracy, especially the less serious ones. Some reports to VAERS do not include full medical record documentation and may contain errors. The VAERS forms often have missing or incorrect data, including age, sex, vaccines administered, and adverse events.
Less serious vaccine adverse events (e.g., swelling, fever, or redness at the vaccination site) are more underreported than more serious vaccine adverse events (e.g., hospitalizations and death).
To begin with, both of those studies you quoted are speculative (google it). If you multiply the numbers reported to VAERS by 50 or 100, the number of children who experienced an adverse event would be 1,954,100 or 3,908,200, respectively. The number of births in the US is approximately 4,000,000 per year. This would suggest the percentage of children that experience an adverse event is, at the very least, near 50% and could be as high as 98%. No peer-reviewed studies, using real numbers, have shown anything remotely close to this.
Originally posted by alkali
reply to post by beckybecky
In the spirit of honesty and being that I expect others to admit when they're wrong, I must confess that I made a rather large error in my assessment of the data. My screw up was in the following paragraph:
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HOWEVER, I stand by the rest of my post. The numbers you quoted by Connaught Laboratories and David Kessler are speculative, under reported adverse events tend to be less serious, and the data from VARES is inaccurate. Therefore, reaching the conclusion that 145,000 infants have died from vaccines is absurd.
Originally posted by beckybecky
You forgot to divide by 20.
145000 divide by 20.
so the figures are accurate after all.7200 a year die.so they are correct.you forgot to divide by 20.
it says 145000 killed over 20 years by vaccines.but you forgot that.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by alkali
so let me get this straight ... using your numbers, 94,000 (potentially) infant/youth deaths directly resulting from vaccines is acceptable ??
just checking