The end is very near

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

Originally posted by abeverage
Why do Christians believe they are going to escape this mess most of them made?

Why do they think they will escape tribulation?

Why do they need to feel they need to be rescued by Jesus?

Why do only about 1/6 of the world's population think they are God's chosen and what...to hell with the rest?

Why do they believe that Jesus will not destroy every single Christian for not being good stewards of this beautiful Planet?

If Jesus does return I think the Christians will have a lot of explaining to do on why his home was robbed, gutted and pretty much burnt to the ground by them...

edit on 24-1-2013 by abeverage because: (no reason given)

Jesus said in his own way there are the Christians who wear their Christianety as a garment and there is Christians who are Christians at the core (In fact there are for instance Buddhist that are Christians at their core).

The core matters the garment does not. Both god and Jesus can see right thru to the core so clothing yourself in a holy garment is just a show of vanity from my point of view.

They are also clothed in ignorance! They are sheep being led by unruly deceitful shepards that has made them fearful, greedy and self-centered, prideful, warmongers.

If even 1/2th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will not fight my Brothers I will turn my cheek instead!

Wars would cease...

If only 1/4th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will be not greedy! I will feed and clothe the poor!

Poverty would cease...

I could go on and on...but to me a Rapture will not occur for an 1/8th or even a 1/16th of these so called "Christians"!

So few would be "Caught up" that would not be noticed....

Dear OP,

Your wrote touchingly, and am glad you are prepared.

However, we must never live life with fear, but with hope, for our Creator is merciful and loved us all. He had given us chances, but we must not dissapoint Him. There is still much to do, as many more are trying to correct errors in order to progress and evolve.

No mortal will know when is the end, near or far. Only our Creator alone knows, for He is the only one who can pause or push that button.

What we see happening around the world are but the results of our choices - financial disasters, arab springs to end tyrannies, mass demostrations against corruptions, etc.

These are signs of awakening, and many are responsible for such awakenings, of not the end, but for errors to be corrected or be truly faced with the end if we fail.

We do not know the end, but we do know, through teachings passed down by ancestors and forefathers, on what we have to do, and we must continue to carry out what needs to be done, regardless if the end is near or far.

You and I whom had tasted and lived life, may be prepared to die, but I am sure you and I have no wish to see others, the young and the future generations not be given a chance.

Let us not seek for the end, but live upon real hope and works, a hope that mankind's error can be corrected despite the catcalls from cynics. a real hope that had been proven by our forefathers efforts which had resulted mankind's continued existance.

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It is not in the english translation of the bible at all.

Originally posted by NotTheIButTheIAm
reply to post by creatives

 

It is not in the english translation of the bible at all.

It's in no translation of the bible anywhere because there is no word exactly like 'rapture' in ancient languages. The closest is the greek word "harpazō" which was translated into the latin word "rapiemur". It means "caught up quickly and forcefully".

It's used in only a single verse in the greek scriptures, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and that verse is quite clearly not talking about pre-tribulation rapture. Pre-tribulation Christians do have other verses they use to justify their position, but none of these actually use the word.

reply to post by BSFC123


Let this body be destroyed. What of it?

When you speak of being saved are you referring to the body being spared pain and death?

Fear can only be on the level of the body. When you are unattached to the body and its comfort where is the call for fear?

Was Jesus's body spared the tribulation?

Rise above your body and even your mind and you will find god.

When that's the case, then whatever may befall this body as the result of the outer environment is unimportant. There's no need to fear anything in this world. There's no need to cling to the health and well-being of this temporary body.

Let events take their course without being concerned.

This is what it means to be taken out of it .......to be saved.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

You reject judgement, therefore you reject sin which is why you reject good and evil. But in doing so, you reject God who IS good. You end up equating God with sin and evil. In your utopia, every spirit just goes on as if nothing changes. You therefore reject any concept of "sorting" in the higher spiritual world. Earth is the time when said spirits are confined to a body and are not free to "roam about". Understanding that gaining mastery over our desires and thoughts and conforming them to God's will is a huge key to understanding how He goes about raising His children.

You are entirely correct if you say that the KEY is to gain mastery over our desires!!

"Good" and "Evil" serve a purpose SO WE CAN at some point learn to gain mastery over our desires! We first need to learn what true "good" and "evil" is on the way to get there! It is essential for us to learn.

There is no doubt that "good" and "evil" are ideas which are extremely abused by Man who ab-uses the concepts to its own, egoistical purpose but which has NOTHING to do with the true purpose they really have.

>>
In your utopia, every spirit just goes on as if nothing changes. You therefore reject any concept of "sorting" in the higher spiritual world.
>>

Not really. (Some) spirits DO in fact go-on as if nothing changed, because they did NOT learn. This is the reason they might be born again, given another opportunity to learn, RATHER than being punished or damned to a "hell" which would be a big waste of time. The spirit would not "learn" anything by burning in some "hell", neither would there be any "benefit" for the one who does the punishing. Do you seriously think that your God would get a "kick out" of punishing immature souls?

You also state that "my God" is neither good nor evil, while YOUR God is, while your God is about love while "mine" supposedly is not. You are entirely wrong!!

Why?

Because the "truth", the actual message behind religion is INDEED about love. THIS is exactly what we have to learn, this is the fundamental reason that we even exist in this physical plane in the first place, with all its hardships, desires etc. IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS with the purpose to "mature" as a soul by experiencing all the desires as "human being", even by being tempted by sins and ultimately learning to overcome all this as the ultimate goal.

I can also not say I reject any sorting in the higher spiritual world. This doesn't make any sense because without this "sorting" we would not even EXIST here in the first place. If we were all perfect spirits already, we would not have the need to go through a physical life. The fact that we EXIST in the physical is only because we are not perfect and still need to learn - so yes, there is a criteria why some might "have to" go through the physical life first, while others will not have to do this because they are mature enough or learned already (maybe in a previous a life).

But you simplify because you see the sorting only as a means to separate spirits for them to be "punished". And I reject the idea of punishment, at least in the traditional sense what some religions propose. POSSIBLY that life itself is already the punishment...its the punishment and learning process, all in one.

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Well, when Obomby raptures us to FEMA camps, I'll believe, OH YES I"LL BELIEVE!!!. Sorry, got enraptured in the moment.

Please cometh sooneth Lord Jesus ^ ^

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For your information the Jews are going to rebuild the Temple . They have already rebuilt an Altar . Why do you think they wanted to control the City ?
As for the Gog and Magog war Persia is old Iran and Iraq , the land of Magog is the land up around the Black Sea . I suppose Rosh included in the group attacking Israel isn't Russia ? What do you think is going on over there ? You just can't deny it and it will go away . Oil and Gas will skyrocket to unimaginable prices that will shut down our economy we will likely be involved in a nuclear exchange with Russia .Your life will change when Iran Israel happens .

As for the Global issuance of the E-money you cant be serious . This NWO is going to happen .When was it that you thought that North Korea was going to impliment anything that went along with the world ? You supposed the NWO is going to go away?The Bankster Elite is the NWO and they control the worlds economy .
In the Bible the Antichrist will control this system and will cause every man to take the mark .The 10 kings of the earth ( Banksters) will give their power to the one . These will be the same people who owns the FED Reserve and IMF and World Bank . They are Askenazi Jews every one .

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England is NWO central with the Rothschilds fully in control over there .I haven't heard of the Bitcoin until now but YES it could be used. The World Bank has a system called Special Drawing Rights as a reserve currency now .The Banksters or the Gog Magog war or something could easily collapse our world and their plan could be implimented .I will not take the mark . I have been preparing myself to walk away from everything I have and some of my loved ones who would not understand why I would do so . I choose the Lord Jesus over my material things . Our government has a plan in effect to take care of those that pull out ofthe New Society . Its called FEMA Camps. All you can do is to prepare to endure away from the people . Some see it being a survivalist and the government does not like that .

reply to post by BSFC123

Christ is coming soon

If I was given a fraction of a penny every time I heard or read this I would be a Trillionaire. Pathetic hoping on a MAN to come save you, that for all we know....never existed.

Christ came.
he took one look around and thought
"# this!" and left.

reply to post by abeverage

They are also clothed in ignorance! They are sheep being led by unruly deceitful shepards that has made them fearful, greedy and self-centered, prideful, warmongers.

If even 1/2th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will not fight my Brothers I will turn my cheek instead!

Wars would cease...

If only 1/4th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will be not greedy! I will feed and clothe the poor!

Poverty would cease...

I could go on and on...but to me a Rapture will not occur for an 1/8th or even a 1/16th of these so called "Christians"!

So few would be "Caught up" that would not be noticed....

Everything I have seen tells me that you are dead right.

I am convinced that the numbers will be even far less than that

One man was shown that the rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.

Here are a few quotes I have read that convinced me of this:

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

The two angels escorted me to Hell. They said, “Now you will visit Hell.”…There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven!

Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai

And in the end, most people will unfortunately receive the Mark of the beast. Many Christians will get it because they were never warned by their Church. (Revelations 13:15-18) This is why The Lord is saying that less than 1% of Pastors and less the 10% of Christians will hear the trumpet sound.

LINK

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by BSFC123

 

Which way to the donation box?

Also I love the English language. "Christ is coming SOON."

Soon.

In comparison to what? The Age of the Universe?

In our young lives we are taught there are no monsters in the closet or under the bed and that imaginary things cannot hurt us. We are taught that reason and science help us define our world and our place in it.

Then Sunday comes along and hoards of us want a creator of everything to scoop us up and take us away to ever lasting good times in his house beyond all creation.

At our core we are obviously afraid of just how small we are.

So OP, if your beliefs allow you to sleep each night and interact with the world in a positive fashion, well good for you. For myself though, I'm doing fine without all the trappings.

You could be right, but you could easily be wrong as well. Either way doesn't matter a whole lot anyhow. The Bible could be proven to be 100% a work of fiction, or there could be 100% proof it is entirely "real" - what matters is the beliefs people derive from it (or from whatever set of beliefs anyone has.) the only thing "real" is what we perceive and how we perceive it (Quantum Physics.) those who understand that, don't bother with whether something "actually" happenedm because it simply doesn't matter.

Now, while I may not be like most believers, with our current understanding of quantum physics, as well as current and future technologies, everything in the Bible which isn't allegory could easily be very real, scientific, and rational, especially if you are able to read it with a deeper/higher level of understanding than the average person. Many people dismiss the whole thing because they are higher-level thinkers who are still interpreting the Bible in the same way Christians of the 6th century would (as most Christians today would.) Every single time, this will obviously result in outright dismissal. If I was from some secluded tribe and one of my fellow tribesman told me about a giant metal bird which climbed many times higher than Eagles fly without moving its wings, I would describe this "bird made of silver", with "God's symbols" on its skin, which raised into the sky by the will of God alone. Centuries later, when my tribe finally discovered flight, and the rest of the world had gone extinct, the religious beliefs our tribe had created back in the day would still be considered by some of the less-intelligent tribesman to be exactly as originally described. No logical explanation for it, but they would continue to believe. The more intelligent would say that they were simply wrong, and we know there is no such thing as a metal bird with immobile wings rising in the sky on God's Will alone, and would thus dismiss all of the stories and beliefs of the old days. A select few would think, "maybe they were seeing something akin to our modern airplanes, that came from who-knows-where, and this is the best they could describe it.

My summary: the Bible, may be more true than non-believers (obviously) could ever imagine, and about things far more "real" and less supernatural than nost believers do. I think "believers" and "non-believers" are two sides of the same "wrong" coin. The few of us who think as I do (and did long before reading Sitchin, or Ancient Aliens blather, etc.) reside on the edge of the coin. Not in the middle, but on that area that nobody seems to pay any attention to - and I feel that is the most logical, reasonable place of all in the question of religious beliefs.

Originally posted by BSFC123
Christ is coming soon.

First time anyone has claimed that...must be true.

. The events in Syria, Egypt, Israel, and the entire Middle East are lining up for the beginning of the Tribulation, just as the Bible foretold.

Yes, just like during the crusades, when things were closer to the biblical end times.

I am terrible person, a sinner, a person who doesn't deserve to be saved at all...Christ saved me in grace. I am not any better than I was before, I was completely saved by His sacrifice.

Guess that's one way not to take responsibility for your past actions..easier to say Christ loves you than to apologise to those you have wronged.

we gave up God's perfect world for a world of sin.

I don't remember being given that choice. I was born in a hospital..which so happened to be on the world of sin and whatnot.

I don't buy into manmade religion.

Man made the bible
By default, if you are going on about Christ..you have.
You just don't attend the workshops (church)

Creation points towards a creator,

Yes, and water points towards wet. Creation points towards a creator, but earth science points towards evolution.

This world is immersed in sin, the love of sin, evil being called good, cults, the unbelievable advancement of technology...all predicted perfectly by the Bible!

Says the guy using a computer on the internet..yes..tech bad.
And the world is fine..loving really. Sure, some sore spots, but I see 20 smiles to 1 frown every day..and that's the average.
Your issue is you personally are focusing in on the negative and it outshines the positive for you. That makes you a negative person overall..
Does god like negative mindsets that are constantly poopooing his creation? just wondering.

I pray for all of you, please read the Gospel of John

Gods name is John?

Now some of you can make fun, say these Jesus people are nuts and ignorant about what is really going on.

I see em more like some person on a diet whom then goes in everyones face about how they got a perfect diet and everyone else is fail because they don't follow your diet...not realizing different body types = different diet requirements.

But regardless, God wants to save you from the coming Tribulation.

Pass.
I think I prefer freedom and self determination verses decide which pawn to play on a deity chessboard.
If someone asks you to kneel, that would of course be the person not to kneel to overall.

But thanks for the "the end is nigh!" warning. Only been going on for about 10k years now..surely one day somebody will be right.

I've always had a thirst for some answers, to the many questions, that have puzzuled me for most of my life. For a while I studied the bible and especially revelations. Somethings really struck me as being true. I've always found the thought that the creator ( I'm not really comfortable with the name "God" ) is watching over me comforting. Maybe this is just a massive delusion, but a gut feeling suggests that it's not. I've never found the need to go to church and sing some hymns, this has always struck me as being rather a waste of time.
I had to read the bible when I was very young, as I was forced to endure sunday school. Even then the bible struck me as a means of controlling the masses. Although I believe there may have been a original manuscript, hence some of the prophecies and predictions, I can't help but feel that the majority of the modern bible has been tinkered with many times.

Please don't persecute me, just my opinion.

Originally posted by BSFC123
reply to post by Insomniac

 

The end would be a prediction. I know it isn't about a second sun appearing and a flying hoard of sixty foot tall crystal aliens attacking us, but it is still a prediction.

So if it's a prediction then there's a chance it won't happen, right? You make it sound as fact that your prediction will definitely happen...

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by abeverage

 

They are also clothed in ignorance! They are sheep being led by unruly deceitful shepards that has made them fearful, greedy and self-centered, prideful, warmongers.

If even 1/2th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will not fight my Brothers I will turn my cheek instead!

Wars would cease...

If only 1/4th of the so called Christians stood up and said NO! I will be not greedy! I will feed and clothe the poor!

Poverty would cease...

I could go on and on...but to me a Rapture will not occur for an 1/8th or even a 1/16th of these so called "Christians"!

So few would be "Caught up" that would not be noticed....

Everything I have seen tells me that you are dead right.

I am convinced that the numbers will be even far less than that

One man was shown that the rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.

Here are a few quotes I have read that convinced me of this:

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

The two angels escorted me to Hell. They said, “Now you will visit Hell.”…There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven!

Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai

And in the end, most people will unfortunately receive the Mark of the beast. Many Christians will get it because they were never warned by their Church. (Revelations 13:15-18) This is why The Lord is saying that less than 1% of Pastors and less the 10% of Christians will hear the trumpet sound.

LINK

Well if there is a Hell and I doubt there is, seems like everyone I know will be there. Reminds me of the Rich on Earth the 1% of elites LOL Heaven is an Elitist club! Figures!

Even if you are "in" the right church (LOL) the odds are it isn't you who goes to heaven, you (not you but anyone) are not not good enough for this place. No you will be sent to torment for all eternity because of that one time you fell asleep during that one important sermon! Nope you will Roast in the Pit because you had a wicked thought!

I don't think a loving Father would send all his children to punish in flames for all eternity because they just couldn't be good enough. I am a Father and I do not continually punish my children, there is discipline but not in ad infinitum! That is a HORROR and Abomination of Love! That is the opposite of LOVE that is HATE and I know the difference and I know what pure LOVE is! And Hell or being sent to Hell being Just or whatever you want to call it involves NO LOVE! Even when you have done horrible things you can still be loved!

Sorry if that is what you believe or anyone else for that matter! I reject that belief 100% and I would reject a Terrible, Angry, Petty, Deceitful, Jealous, Deity who does not understand that...

LOVE = FORGIVENESS

it doesn't matter how near the ultimate end is. In reality, the apocalypse is whatever happens to individuals and communities that ends their own personal worlds, notwithstanding the stability of other civilizations over the mountains or overseas. If you live in a town that is wiped out by a tidal wave that takes your family, your job, your home, and everything you know, your world has ended. If it takes your life, then you have lost everything. A man is not incorrect in predicting an apocalypse if his personal world is destroyed. Unfortunately, that also means the relevancy of some major global apocalypse means very little. It means little because lesser disasters for whatever reason precede major ones. Even if there is a second coming of Christ, it doesn't matter to the vast majority of human beings - most will have lived and died centuries ago, and many will die in lesser disasters, earthquakes, floods, volcanoes, civil wars, famines, war, and genocide before he arrives.

It makes eschatology a bit anticlimactic.