The end is very near

reply to post by Wertdagf



Atheists. Gotta love em.

I respect your opinion. I disagree, and I don't hurt people, so no worries my friend.

reply to post by BSFC123


But lets imagine im right....

You wouldnt hurt anyone or yourself would you?

How do you think you would feel realizing it was all a lie?

reply to post by Insomniac


The end would be a prediction. I know it isn't about a second sun appearing and a flying hoard of sixty foot tall crystal aliens attacking us, but it is still a prediction.

Originally posted by BSFC123
reply to post by georgeandrew

 

Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't leave any room for that. The "believe whatever makes you happy" idea is diametrically opposed to the truth of the Bible.

Ten years ago I was meditating and trying to dive inside my own mind for answers. What I found there pushed me towards Christianity.

The Bible tells Christians to be prepared for people to hate us and ridicule us. It also tells us to speak the truth.

Most cults are like that.

line 2

reply to post by BSFC123


Indeed it is, but wrapped up around a lot of preaching... It wasn't the predictive element I was commenting on.

reply to post by Wertdagf


Let's imagine you are right. OK.

Prophecy is all somehow coincidence. The odds of that are pretty much so large that I doubt the odds can be calculated. And I don't mean vague prophecy, I mean prophecy that a child can understand.

If you are right, there is no moral law other than our society says there is. That in itself is a scary thought.

Life is precious. IF you could prove to me that there is no God, I would act as a Christian, because I was raised with Christian values. If the world ever truly stopped believing in God, you'd see... well, you'd see what is going on now. Generations from now, the world would be a horrendous place.

Vonnegut had some great things to say about it. Said we should tell more lies to make people feel good, because the truth is just so damn horrible. If there was no God, I would agree with him.

But there is, so I don't : )

reply to post by Insomniac


Well, maybe God wanted you to read that.

ZING!

Kidding man, seriously didn't mean to post it in the wrong place.

He may have though. This one time annoyance may plant a seed and one day you'll be like...that guy was a total idiot, but maybe he wasn't completely full of BS.

reply to post by BSFC123


But they did tell lots of lies.....

The world we live in is the example of a world where people lie to their children from the moment they understand language. What we have is a society that cant distinguish right from wrong without a imaginary friend to tell them what to do and say.

The very thing your so afraid of is the reality that lies have created. You said it yourself, that you couldnt distinguish a world without god.. from the one we live in. That you would expect to see the world as it is without god. Not that the people in that world didnt believe a god existed/

reply to post by Wertdagf


I agree with you to a point.

The fact that the Bible has been proven correct so many times, prophecy wise, historically, and the knowledge there that could only be divine (or alien, as many here would say)....that's a hard thing to disprove. To say that man made it up and somehow coerced the events that ir predicted perfectly..that's a stretch?

But you can believe as you like. Eventually one of will be proven wrong. Christianity teaches love. Atheism teaches, again, self.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by BSFC123

 

I dont think your going to be very happy with the truth.

God is santa claus for adults. Religions are invented to control people.

Just promise me you wont hurt yourself or others once you stop being so ignorant.

I don't understand this. A person comes in to post their "prediction" baised upon his knowledge and life experiences and you feel the need to ridicule that person by calling them "ignorant"? It is the foolish of fools to come right out and say that there is no God. Hey I got an idea, why not think a bit more outside the box instead of pushing the "God" thing aside as ignorant beliefs.

Pladuim

Originally posted by BSFC123
reply to post by Insomniac

 

Well, maybe God wanted you to read that.

ZING!

Kidding man, seriously didn't mean to post it in the wrong place.

He may have though. This one time annoyance may plant a seed and one day you'll be like...that guy was a total idiot, but maybe he wasn't completely full of BS.

I doubt that you've planted a seed, but I'm not annoyed, nor do I think you an idiot or full of BS, it's just that I think preaching has its place and in my opinion this isn't it.

reply to post by Pladuim


Atheism is more of a religion than Christianity in many ways. It is pretty ironic. Yet, another sign of the end times predicted by the Bible...man will follow the form, but do away with the belief.

But like I said, I respect anyone's opinion, even if I do disagree.

im a Christian too and to me your a little too much.. just saying.. i see what your talking about with the the middle east, im keeping an eye on that too that too. do me a favor though and give me the exact bible verse of the rapture? im just curious because i keep hearing about the rapture but im pretty sure it doesnt say that anywhere in the bible dude.

Originally posted by BSFC123

You do actually have some good points in your OP, even when I usually are not very keen on "religious" postings.

But you make a mistake (in my opinion) centering your entire belief around the concept of SIN. I read that a few times throughout your post.

It is my firm opinion that sin (or at least MOST of what we say is a "sin") are man-made concepts, as are concepts such as "good" or "evil". I know this might be very hard to understand, but I hope you will one day.

God has better things to do than judging Man for their "sins". Sorry, God (or whatever creator, if there is one) is better than that.

*** The "truth" is NOT about sin and it's NOT about judgement.

If you reduce your belief to be only about sin and the punishment for sin, you are limiting yourself and your entire religion!

God does not punish and he does (imho) not judge.

Life is given as a learning experience, and "sin" will always be a part of it. Why? BECAUSE WE ARE JUST HUMANS. Sin, in this life, serves the purpose to teach us something. We cannot EXIST without sin in one form of the other. God knows that. Ask yourself WHAT the purpose of life is and how "sin" could play a role with having a *very specific purpose* which ULTIMATELY will help us grow. (Yes, think about this!)

Addendum:

"The End Is Near".

it is entirely irrelevant. People preach about "the end" , "rapture" or whatever since Millennia. Its irrelevant and nothing but a misinterpretation, if not an outright lie.

Why?

Because "the end" is ALWAYS near. Everyone's life can end at any time. People, animals, plants, nothing is forever. We are born and there will be an end. For some sooner, for some later. Whether there is a set date for a rapture, what does it matter? What matters is ONLY what you have learned in your life.

Everyone will find out "the truth" at some point anyway, everyone will have their own "judgement day". (Of course the term "judgement" is misleading because there wont be a judgement, I just used the word so you know what I mean.)

Why would there be a need for a tribulation if anyone will die anyway at some point? Are the millions who die EVERY DAY in wars, due to illnesses, accidents or simply die due to age not enough? Life Death. Without death there is no life, Life is finite. On a cosmic scale maybe irrelevant, ridiculous short even. In the time a planet is born and might die later...billions of people will have been born and died again. Because this is what life is. And this is why there will not be a tribulation, its entirely not necessary.

The concept of "God's punishment" is a kindergarten-level idea. God has no interest in punishing. He has an interest that we LEARN something, to be ready for "the truth" in the afterlife, for a reality beyond this physical existence. We do not learn from punishment. The learning must come from ourselves.

The concept of sin and judgement is a lie, a distortion of the REAL message behind many religions.

reply to post by Insomniac


My apologies, sincerely. My prediction comes with a way to avoid itself : )

I really don't mean to come off as a televangelist or anything.

reply to post by MikeHawke


The term, Rapture, comes from a Latin word that means to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out. It is a Biblical word that comes right out of the Latin Vul­gate translation of the Bible. The word is found in 1 Thes­salonians 4:17. In the New Ameri­can Standard Ver­sion, the English phrase, “caught up,” is used. The same phrase is used in the King James and New International Versions.

www.raptureready.com...

Originally posted by BSFC123
reply to post by Insomniac

 

My apologies, sincerely. My prediction comes with a way to avoid itself : )

Please don't apologise, there really is no need.

I really don't mean to come off as a televangelist or anything.

No danger of that until you start asking for money.

reply to post by Insomniac


Thank you so much. You said exactly what I wanted to but couldn't find the right words.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by BSFC123

 

But lets imagine im right....

You wouldnt hurt anyone or yourself would you?

How do you think you would feel realizing it was all a lie?

edit on 23-1-2013 by Wertdagf because: (no reason given)

The same way I did after almost 30 years of Christianity. I felt a freedom I hadn't felt for decades.

reply to post by BSFC123


Thank you for your message. I pray that it reaches many hearts because time is indeed short. I loved what you said about The Law being written in our hearts because that is undeniable and in the secret space where silence and darkness find us regardless of where we are in our lives .................we all know that and feel that.

That was beautiful.