Agnostic = Nonsense

Here is how merriam-webster defines agnostic...

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that? If God doesn't reveal His traits to you and plays no roll in your life nor communicates with you, how can you say you do know of His trait of unknowablility. You can't and your speculating.

However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).

First off the first Agnostic tribes believed in God and didn't believe in church that's why they where one of the first one's killed in the crusades. I am Agnostic i believe in a God i just don't believe whats written in the bible is truth. You can't prove either way that God exist nor doesn't exist so why argue and fight about its being nonsense.

Originally posted by speeddr2000
First off the first Agnostic tribes believed in God and didn't believe in church that's why they where one of the first one's killed in the crusades. I am Agnostic i believe in a God

Sorry, that is a contradiction -- if you believe in God (any god,) you're not an Agnostic, you're a Theist. If you say that you think that there's a God, but we know nothing about him, and can't know anything about him, you're closest in position to a Deist.

To the OP -- being an Agnostic is not nonsense, it's a perfectly reasonable position to have. Admittedly, it's not a strong position, but there's nothing wrong with that.

So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that?

Because the only thing anyone can really know, is that there isn't anything you can know.

reply to post by iSHRED


Yeah, titles are nonesense. You can hide behind them, or hold them up as a shield, but what it comes down to is that every individual has a slightly (or majorly) different Perspective of *reality*/spirituality.

Originally posted by iSHRED
Here is how merriam-webster defines agnostic...

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that? If God doesn't reveal His traits to you and plays no roll in your life nor communicates with you, how can you say you do know of His trait of unknowablility. You can't and your speculating.

However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).

I bolded the applicable part here. I don't know, I don't want to know, I don't care to know. Simple enough for ya?

God, is just a term. Term for explaining things we don't know.
God's powers are magnetism, electrical forces, strong and week nucleus forces
God's flash is matter, and his world the space
God's will is gravity

We don't know how all of this is created and we can't create our self any of it, create it out of nothing. We are only allowed to "play" with it.

No rules, expectations or punishment or whatever humans tell you in religious books

The true rules are already set and nobody can avoid them!
How far we can bend the rules, well, it is also already decided, we just have to discover it,,,

I definitely agree that God is knowable.

See my signature!



Hah, some people, "Oh I'm so wise because God is a stranger." Yeah, right.

I don't know how you would label this, and it doesn't really matter.

Whether or not a god exists is irrelevant.
If there is one, fine. If not?, just as well. It changes nothing. It doesn't effect how I view the world, and it doesn't alter my behavior.
Everything is, the way it is

I don't require a god to justify my existence or give meaning to my life. The fact that I am is sufficient.

Being agnostic is being wise enough to say "I don't know for sure"


Sorry that's too complex an idea for you. Keep working at it, maybe one day you'll realize you don't know everyhing either

reply to post by iSHRED


ok, so as goes the insanity of politics and those who believe, I just don't get it OP? I believe in a higher power, and at the same time I DO NOT judge those whom have different faiths than I do. Isn't that what "freedom" is all about?

Yet here you are, acting as do the partisan, political pundits, pushing your faith and beliefs on others.........

See where I am going here? Believe what you want to believe, but quit trying to belittle those who are of a different faith, belief!

What makes you different than anyone else? Does it make you feel superior to those who don't believe in God as you do?

Do you think you are going to win over lost souls by belittling those who believe other than you? If you believe in the works of Jesus Christ, then you might want to rethink your attacks on those who don't march in lock step with your beliefs! WWJD?

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I think this God you are talking about is this false religious God, gospel, false prophet

Es I understand we don't talk about this! I use the same term but mean something more provable !

please don't understand me wrong, I'm not saying we should worship someone or believe stupid things, I just use the term God for all I have described above.. has nothing to do with any religion.

Originally posted by iSHRED
Here is how merriam-webster defines agnostic...

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that? If God doesn't reveal His traits to you and plays no roll in your life nor communicates with you, how can you say you do know of His trait of unknowablility. You can't and your speculating.

However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).

Because we don't even know everything about our own planet. In fact we don't even know aspects of our own body. Both physiologically an psychologically. Keeping this in mind it seems logical how a person could embrace the agnostic view.

What do you get when you cross an agnostic with a dyslexic and an insomniac?

A person who sits awake all night wondering if there is really a dog.

Peace

reply to post by adjensen

Sorry, that is a contradiction -- if you believe in God (any god,) you're not an Agnostic, you're a Theist. If you say that you think that there's a God, but we know nothing about him, and can't know anything about him, you're closest in position to a Deist.

I never heard of a Theist, and I always thought myself as being agnostic. I guess I learned something about myself today. Theist, hmmmm... I'll have to look into this more. Thanks, I'm sure others like me never heard of this.

reply to post by iSHRED

So it's nonsense to say you are unable to prove something and are also not able to disprove something?

It's nonsense to admit "I don't know"?

Would have hated to have you in one of my college courses raising your hand at every point saying "I know, I know!!"

Agnostics are not "speculating" as you said in the OP.

Quite the opposite.

Originally posted by speeddr2000
I am Agnostic i believe in a God i just don't believe whats written in the bible is truth.

I'm the exact opposite of you. I don't believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing, omnipotent "god" that has always just been there. I do believe common-folk wrote the different books in the bible as to what they witnessed in those days.

And what they witnessed, according to the bible, were very powerful and intelligent beings that came to this planet in their star-ships (chariots/clouds/pillars) and created us in their image and likeness.

Originally posted by adjensen
...if you believe in God (any god,) you're not an Agnostic, you're a Theist. If you say that you think that there's a God, but we know nothing about him, and can't know anything about him, you're closest in position to a Deist.

To the OP -- being an Agnostic is not nonsense, it's a perfectly reasonable position to have. Admittedly, it's not a strong position, but there's nothing wrong with that.

Appreciated your reply!

To the OP --
If The Price Is Right offers Eternal Life for choosing correctly - what is behind Door #1, or #2 or #3...and one responds - "I don't know if anything is behind any of the doors...so,it's just a guess for me"...where is the exalted attitude? Where is the speculation?

Originally posted by iSHRED
Here is how merriam-webster defines agnostic...

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that? If God doesn't reveal His traits to you and plays no roll in your life nor communicates with you, how can you say you do know of His trait of unknowablility. You can't and your speculating.

However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).

In a way, the Agnostic may be the only sane one in the room.

Luke 10:22, "All things are delivered (revealed) to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the son, and he to whom the son will reveal him."

What does this imply? None of us know the Son yet. Why?

Hebrews 9

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Do we KNOW God yet?

1 Corinthians 13

12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Faith can only be a hope that the Supreme Good is out there, waiting to introduce Himself. If you believe the Bible, then faith is God's department.

John 6

64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Do we KNOW God? It depends. An Agnostic is waiting like the rest of us. An Atheist on the other hand...

Psalm 14:1-7

14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

Light reveals what it hits. As far as I am concerned, we need to become what we seek to know who we seek. That's the hard part. Virtue revels the image we become. Who's image to we reflect. God already knows.

John 2

23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.[d] 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

He doesn't need our testimony. We need His.

This thread has brain damage written all over it.

Another religious zealot that doesnt know how ridiculous they sound