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Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
I didn't evade anything. I'm being VERY careful to stay on topic - and the topic is the Country of the Vatican siding with Obama on Gun Control. This isn't the religious debate forum. Speculating on what Jesus would do is impossible and maybe even off topic.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
they should focus on the salvation of souls as stated in their mission statement. Things pertaining to this world are mans domain. They are specialized in things NOT of this world. Looks like they are going down the road of the Jesuits, but just siding with the status quo instead of opposing it in the name of justice........
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Why are we concerned with anything the Vatican says?
I was under the impression that the Pope was Gods frontman here on planet earth
Am I wrong?
It is on topic - though no doubt you wish it weren't
Why bring religion into this if you are completely unwilling to discuss religion?
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
religious folk - and religious leaders - can go on and on and preach whatever they want...
But - people can just go ahead and do whatever the hell they want regardless
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
This entire thread is about religion Flyers
You don't believe the Pope is infallible - I understand
The Vatican is a sovereign nation - yes, we know - but it's a sovereign nation based on - what?
God's law is different from the laws of the Vatican?
God's words are meaningless when it comes to gun control?
A person's personal beliefs have no bearing on any of this?
Why do we care what the Vatican says?
how the hell did you get THAT from my response.
they should focus on the salvation of souls as stated in their mission statement.
Things pertaining to this world are mans domain.
The catholic church is not a human rights watch dog. It is a faith primarily concerned with saving our souls from the eternal judgment of God. THATS IT.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
what would Jesus say about guns?
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I politely disagree FF...
I do not think it has anything to do with being "euro centric"...it is about the application of a belief system that says it is NOT ok to kill.
Show us where Jesus says that we all should just sit back and allow ourselves to be murdered by crazy people when in fact we could instead protect ourselves and our families from them? Jesus never said to be a door mat ...
To claim that Jesus would tell innocent people to be anti-self-defense in the face of murder ...
Well, I'd like to see it in print. Show us the scripture quote please ...
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
So - the Pope is wrong - guns are a good thing?
And this isn't about religion - it's about international law?
I will assume your post was more an attack on me personally rather than an actual argument with any point to be made.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
How is one's soul saved zedVSzardoz, if not by living your faith? Actually living it?
All this because I asked - what would Jesus say about guns?
I think it's a logical question - the Vatican being widely recognized as a special patch of God's turf
So far all I get is - Jesus says stuff...but we pretty much do what we want anyhow