A Sane Voice in the Sandy Hook "Conspiracy"

reply to post by Mr Mask

And no, I won't share them with you cus that is possibly dangerous (yes, dangerous) and I do not wish to seem "stupid" to you.

lolololol

What a joke. You don't have any other conspiracy theory. Admit it.

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Isn't that exactly what the conspiracy video does? Essentially summarize all theories is what these videos do.

I'm along for a point counter point discussion if you are

I do not wish to debate. I used to be very active in such things around here, but the flavor of it left me feeling sick. I do not wish to argue or even debate things anymore. I agree that the evidence in the 10-mill vid is bunk. I also agree its all easy to see if you use logic. But I also think it is a planted source of "conspiracy" like most high-profile conspiracy gurus and gimmicks of today.

They tell us what us "conspiracy folks" think, and we say "whaaaa? I don't think that! that's stupid! So ergo- all conspiracy angles on this story must be equally as stupid!".

Its just how I feel.

I do not think the murders were faked. I do not think it was a movie stage. I do not think alien reptiles from the moon sent a shooter to the school.

But using the same logic that allows me to "think" these things, I also run into giant road-blocks of logic when bashing into huge holes in the stories. Not just little things that can easily be explained by rushed reporting. But huge gaping holes in large narratives.

False narratives can't be explained by hurried reports or misunderstandings. They can only be fabricated and polished and then sent off to be consumed by "the low IQ-ed" IMNSHO.

But I do thank you for using a polite tone. I hope I have done the same.

But really, I must go. Salute.

MM

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by dieseldyk

 

I have patience to wait for the official report for casings.

The rest of your drivel merits no response. Resorting to calling me and others trolls or shills is the sign that you have nothing left to bring to the table.

maybe you should stop being so disrespectful to free speech. you obviously have an agenda and your multiple posts are doing nothing but polluting the thread. its something a mole troll would do.

So then why hasn't the official casing report been released yet. some how I do not think its because they have troubling counting.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Don't twist my words. I said I have not seen evidence of it having happened. Attention to details, my friend.

So then travel to Newtown and ask those families if their child is still at home with them. And when they instead take you to their gravestones, will that be enough or will you demand the graves be exhumed? And if that isn't enough, will you demand a dna test on the dead bodies? Where does it end...

Originally posted by dieseldyk

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by dieseldyk

 

I have patience to wait for the official report for casings.

The rest of your drivel merits no response. Resorting to calling me and others trolls or shills is the sign that you have nothing left to bring to the table.

maybe you should stop being so disrespectful to free speech. you obviously have an agenda and your multiple posts are doing nothing but polluting the thread. its something a mole troll would do.

So then why hasn't the official casing report been released yet. some how I do not think its because they have troubling counting.

How am I polluting the thread? The topic is there wasnt a conspiracy. I'm agreeing with it. You come here and call me a troll based on a topic I'm agreeing with. Go call people trolls somewhere else. Here at ats we demand more than that ignorance.

The official report comes out in a month or so. This is common knowledge.

Originally posted by bknapple32
Great thread. Great video. Love it.


Its amazing how he deconstructs the theories and essentially throws them in the trash, stomps on them, and burns them all to pieces.

The exposure of the Ct'ers jumping to conclusions is fantastic. Showing us the evidence like the man arrested in the woods being a father of a student in the school.

OMG......You know what is amazing to me? How totally gullible people are.......YOU are gonna use this video, that BTW does NOT cover many of the things we discuss here, to just trivially say ok that's good enough for me he has debunked them all case closed my hero? You know what is fantastic? Simply reading that YOU authored that quote......priceless. That just made my day.......

Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012

Originally posted by bknapple32
Great thread. Great video. Love it.


Its amazing how he deconstructs the theories and essentially throws them in the trash, stomps on them, and burns them all to pieces.

The exposure of the Ct'ers jumping to conclusions is fantastic. Showing us the evidence like the man arrested in the woods being a father of a student in the school.

OMG......You know what is amazing to me? How totally gullible people are.......YOU are gonna use this video, that BTW does NOT cover many of the things we discuss here, to just trivially say ok that's good enough for me he has debunked them all case closed my hero? You know what is fantastic? Simply reading that YOU authored that quote......priceless. That just made my day.......

I neversaid he covered everything. But the ones he did cover, he deconstructed.

In response you just say he left something out and at disrespectful towards me. How about trying to disprove what he said instead.

reply to post by bknapple32


It's called being human, and grieving for classmates, teachers, people you know being killed...

The only people who don't show emotion to tragedies are desensitized....Period...

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by dieseldyk

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by dieseldyk

 

I have patience to wait for the official report for casings.

The rest of your drivel merits no response. Resorting to calling me and others trolls or shills is the sign that you have nothing left to bring to the table.

maybe you should stop being so disrespectful to free speech. you obviously have an agenda and your multiple posts are doing nothing but polluting the thread. its something a mole troll would do.

So then why hasn't the official casing report been released yet. some how I do not think its because they have troubling counting.

How am I polluting the thread? The topic is there wasnt a conspiracy. I'm agreeing with it. You come here and call me a troll based on a topic I'm agreeing with. Go call people trolls somewhere else. Here at ats we demand more than that ignorance.

The official report comes out in a month or so. This is common knowledge.

edit on 19-1-2013 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)

You're the one saying people are disrespectful, that we need to stop talking, that we shouldn't pose questions that we're ignorant. Doesn't sound very conducive to a discussion, more like, here is what I say and if you don't like it I'll just call you whatever, pollute the thread, till you go away. That's the definition of trolling my friend.

let people exercise their right to speech and you can exercise yours, want to put up one liners of dribble and claim you know it all and I'll call you on it and start debunking you instead.


IMO there are more questions than answers and the video raises a lot of questions and the official story keeps changing. Picking one or two things out a video to debunk is not debunking the entire video. Sorry but you have to do better than that. I think you stated right, here on ATS we demand more than ignorance. The official story has more holes in it than the titanic at the bottom of the ocean.

reply to post by TheToastmanCometh


I have not become interested in the Sandy Hook event because I don't watch very much mainstream news programmes but I have become interested because of all the interest shown via website chat.

I have searched for a single photograph that shows that the murders actually happened. On an internet that can provide the most gruesome photographs in any selection of topics I - cannot - find a single photograph of a crime scene. There are no photographs that I can find of any rooms where the murders occurred let alone any photographs of deceased humans.

The internet can provide photographs of murdered Children in war zones - graphic and damn heartbreaking but there are no crime scene photographs of Sandy Hook. I am now interested in this event - not because it has happened but because I have questions about what really happened. There seems to be more evidence to support the fact the entire event is a government psychological operation. There is even a report that shows a photograph of a man with a caption that states he is listed with an acting agency.

Children die every day - from hunger, in poverty and war and yet there is very little discussion on their deaths. All Child abuse in all its forms is wrong wrong wrong. Should this turn out to be a fake event then it would not surprise me.

Much Peace...to all Children everywhere...

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Don't twist my words. I said I have not seen evidence of it having happened. Attention to details, my friend.

So then travel to Newtown and ask those families if their child is still at home with them. And when they instead take you to their gravestones, will that be enough or will you demand the graves be exhumed? And if that isn't enough, will you demand a dna test on the dead bodies? Where does it end...

It ends when evidence is presented supporting the official story happening.

So what would I look for but have not seen to convince me this debacle happened the way they say?

A photo showing the breach to the school, or any damage to the school.
An Interview of a single student saying they saw a massacre.
Surveillance footage showing Lanza arrive and enter the school.

Note I am not even mentioning the obvious like any blood leading away from the school, or survivors being transported to the hospital...

Even the first responder EMTs didn't see anything, their empty tarp triage laid outside waiting and ready, hands in pockets.

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Where is the surveillance footage of him entering and exiting the building to put the rifle back in the car?

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Where is the surveillance footage of him entering and exiting the building to put the rifle back in the car?

These are the exact questions that need to be asked and answered.

Like where are all the casings, what caliber? how many?

The official casing report isn't due for a month. Why the delay? Count them up and report on them. unless the delay serves a purpose... oh say... for instance... delay in the information to ease the rush towards banning guns. after all you don't want to muddy the waters with facts, let's just stay with emotional arguments made on CNN. Remember, if this is a lone gunman shooting and he is dead, then why the secrecy in the investigation. After all there is not going to be a prosecution. So unnecessary delay in reporting facts must be due to some other purpose.

IMO the real conspiracy lies in how Sandy Hook is being used to drive an agenda. It obvious that on that day, the media were more important than the victims.

BTW the ops video is garbage, what the guy is using as a source is some post from reddit. Some of these people attacking the people asking questions would usually be the first one to debunk the video based on the fact that source it uses is garbage.

Just keeping asking the questions and some day we might get some answers.

I don't want to waste to much time addressing the video so I will try to make this quick.

1)Americas Reactionary Idiots....wow that's genius there.....Like we really needed you to do a video explaining how some people are claiming ridiculous things that are easily solved without attaching the grand conspiracy tag.

2)NO we are not working tirelessly to convince you or anyone else that this was just some big conspiracy orchestrated by the govt. Maybe some are out there jumping to conclusions but we here are trying to discover all the facts and ask questions about any and all anomalies but of course posters here will use this to lump us in with the "Americas Reactionary Idiots" crowd.

3) Every conspiracy ever in history is a joke? Really? See now you sound like one of those pesky "American Reactionary Idiots" you just mentioned a few seconds ago.

4) Chris Manfredonia? Too bad you didn't do enough homework or you would know about the story of the SWAT guy in the woods. No matter you would still call us crazy anyway.

5) The guns......yes discrepancies....too bad he does not know about the 7 guns but only 5 were registered to Nancy. Let' just play along like he does and call it overzealous bad reporting. Is it a giant conspiracy about the guns? No but now there appears to absolutely be one.

6) Ok you discovered that Sally is a nickname for Sarah.....big deal......Why didn't you cover how she said she knew Adam and her mother was a teacher? Cause you can't explain that can ya?

7) Most of us know that the parents were not actors ......again telling us what we already know.

8) Gene Rosen.....sure any cop will say eyewitness testimony goes all over the place during these times....EXCEPT you forgot to mention......HE IS NOT AN EYEWITNESS. The kids were.......and the many convoluted bizarre stories he tells about what ensued will make anyone's head spin around. Sure no conspiracy here at all.....not only do they have no intention of interviewing him the police are not going to talk to the kids either. After an outrageous mass murder of 6 year olds the police have no intention of even talking a little to kids who were eyewitnesses.

9) Were some family members smiling, yea so what, the medical examiner, whatever......

10) People claiming they saw no kids come out of the school......please......FEMA drills on the same day...who cares. Like we really need you to point all this out to us.

11) Bombshell evidence? The web pages posted early.......ok I see your point in using the term "idiot's".

12) The hilarious stupidity of the people that viewed those videos? Just curious who cares.....

13) When you are done with such an easy task of picking on "Americas Reactionary Idiots" by all means Google the top 10 conspiracy's of all time and post some videos debunking those genius.

Ironic so a guy posts a YouTube Video claiming that he has debunked the Sandy Hook Conspiracy?

Just look at the new recent comment at that Guy's Video.

Conspiracy nuts can go f**k themselves.

Yeah i can see that people in this thread are completely are avoiding Deny Ignorance motto there so again i will just again what has this guy whose calling himself the amazing Atheist accomplished? has he even bothered questioning what actually happened at Sandy Hook? or is he just ranting if so the answer is that his ranting how is that debunking again ATS members?

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by bknapple32

 

It's called being human, and grieving for classmates, teachers, people you know being killed...

The only people who don't show emotion to tragedies are desensitized....Period...

Some people show emotions differently, like with uncertainty and skepticism, which stem from distrust or anger, and so they question events, especially when those events might infringe upon their rights. Some would even call the emotion of anger a very human quality.

This thread will gain no starts nor flag from at this point.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
This thread will gain no starts nor flag from at this point.

Quite a ridiculous assumption

reply to post by Sek82

It ends when evidence is presented supporting the official story happening.

So what would I look for but have not seen to convince me this debacle happened the way they say?

A photo showing the breach to the school, or any damage to the school.
An Interview of a single student saying they saw a massacre.
Surveillance footage showing Lanza arrive and enter the school.

Note I am not even mentioning the obvious like any blood leading away from the school, or survivors being transported to the hospital...

Even the first responder EMTs didn't see anything, their empty tarp triage laid outside waiting and ready, hands in pockets.

But what if that isn't the way they want it to end?

If they wanted more people to come down on the side of the gun grabbers that kind of footage would be smeared all over the teevee and the front pages of the newspapers. But they're not, so it has to be something else.

Instead of more people handing over the guns or even being willing to register, what they're getting is one he!! of a lot more guns in the hands of people who don't trust these obvious "holes" in the story. So, what if that's the plan? What if we're about to be visited by hordes of "Free America Rebels", hired by the same folks who've been paying the "Free Syria Army" and the "Free Libya Rebels"? Yeah, I know, people think it couldn't ever happen here, but Americans are getting altogether too uppity and they're demanding things that the government can't or won't give and the big shots are probably about at their wits end so they need to take our minds off little things like 222 trillion dollar debt bubbles ~ and eliminate a few of the loudest mouths in the process.

Just speculatin'

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
This thread will gain no starts nor flag from at this point.

Quite a ridiculous assumption

Look please do explain on just what he has debunked? when the guy started talking about that Guy who was laughing did debunk him? no he didn't.