Where is the outrage? Truth about 'fake' foods; Russia bans U.S. meat

Originally posted by Philippines

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by MaMaa
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I still eat fish and eggs.

I asked myself if I would be willing to kill the animal

you obviously would still be willing, you eat fish.

Naturally... I have never heard a fish make a bloodcurdling scream as it is being slaughtered and bleeding out all over the place.

That is a stupid statement, fish don't make any sounds above water if they are being killed or not.
I have never seen a pig try to swim away, does that mean they don't feel it?

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by Philippines

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by MaMaa
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I still eat fish and eggs.

I asked myself if I would be willing to kill the animal

you obviously would still be willing, you eat fish.

Naturally... I have never heard a fish make a bloodcurdling scream as it is being slaughtered and bleeding out all over the place.

That is a stupid statement, fish don't make any sounds above water if they are being killed or not.
I have never seen a pig try to swim away, does that mean they don't feel it?

Haha, THAT is a stupid statement .. .(It's easy to call people stupid, but you look like less of a fool when your facts are straight.)

Fish do make sounds above water. I said that I have never heard one make a sound as I slaughter it. I never said anything about pain, I'm sure it feels pain.

Oh, and here is a fish that I have heard make a sounds above water (croaker):

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I dropped meat.. I can't stomach it and every year I learn more and more about the food industry that ensures I keep it that way.

Even veggies are messed up due to all the GMO and pesticides. I really do not understand how food has become so complicated. I used to think meat was healthy and veggies were healthy. it has gotten to the point where I do not know what to eat.

In response to that I began to grow my own food. Currently everything I eat comes from my garden, even the herbs and spices. The meat is something I just had to let go. I was planning on having chicken and rabbit as my source of meat but it is hard to kill em when you end up naming them.

I have been off meat ever since and lets just say I have not missed it one bit and feel healthier than ever.

We had the same plan, and then we named our chickens! Once you name them, you can't eat them! At least that is my general rule of thumb. We have Henny, The Penny's (aka four new hampshire reds who all look the same and have the same names) and Snooki. I can't eat them now so I get protein from the eggs they lay!

The rabbit we named too and is a pet, no eating him. LOL

my chickens are named is lenny and ralph. my rabbits were ( I gave them away) kip and mindy.

I am in the same boat as you with the chickens.

reply to post by Rezlooper

Truth is it's harder and harder to find clean food,even if it was in our faces everyday the majority really don't care or don't want to see the garbage in the foods.
I quit eating fast food a long time ago,including processed foods in the grocery store.Although the damage is done to me as I wasn't aware of it soon enough.Two out of three of my children developed(puberty) early I believe they started at age 5 that's when I started researching food chemicals.The list of allergies I have to foods is becoming quite long,milk being the biggest one I suspect it's not just lactose that bothers me.

I think the lower income families are hurting the most it's much cheaper to buy dollar burgers than to buy meat and buns to make their own.I went to the grocery store the other day I bought grapes,small bag of red and green it cost over 10 dollars this is an outrage to have to pay that to have fruit.It's the same for most fresh produce it's becoming unaffordable,as is all fresh foods.

The shame is the fda is nothing but a joke,no morals,no integrity but I'm sure their paychecks are big enough so they can afford to eat the best organic foods available.

A friend of mine worked at a chemical company that made edible plastic materials that would be mixed into burgers for fast food chains.

Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
Only a few will be outraged by this because only a few people can afford to eat organic. Damned if we do something about it and many people can't afford to eat meat, and damned if we don't and most of us end up with health risks.

That is not true. My family eats no meat and almost all organic. We spend less than we used to and eat far better. The myth that people can't afford a non-fast food diet is what the fast food industry wants to propagate.

The reason most people can't afford organic food is because they don't buy healthy food instead but in addition to meats and crap food. It's one or the other. I never understood why people think that an apple costs more than a Big Mac.

Originally posted by jude11
The families that actually live off of McCrappy's have no choice as it's cheaper than buying fresh in many cases. Not all but many.

I think this is a bigger and somewhat more important factor than those people who just don't care as long as it tastes good.

With many unemployed, and many more on food stamps, not everyone can afford to buy organic this and non-processed that.

And go find me some beef from a supermarket that doesn't have "pink slime" in it. We're not just talking about fast food here. Many people don't know about stuff like "pink slime" or realize that drugs from these animals may end up in their meat, and they assume that the beef they buy at their local supermarket is "unprocessed" (beyond being ground, of course).

Why is russia banning us meat. Well our meat is horrendous and the funny thing is its more profitable to go the natural route.

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Doesn't mean they doesn't feel it.

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
Only a few will be outraged by this because only a few people can afford to eat organic. Damned if we do something about it and many people can't afford to eat meat, and damned if we don't and most of us end up with health risks.

Hog wash... Most can afford to eat organic.

Most family's can afford to eat organic but they would rather spend the extra money on frivolous things they dont really need. My single mom did it on a hair stylist salary raising 2 kids on her own. The way I see it, in the end my body is all I have.

Most people are not educated on the topic. Think about this... If we learned about food in school the same way we learned about "global warming" then the industry would change drastically. It seems in order to get people to understand the dangers of something we have to scare the # out of them because they grew up over stimulated watching the TV. These people have seen bullets fly into peoples heads, swards chopping body's in half, explosions of mass death ect....
When you remember a TV show do you remember laying down on the couch with a remote in your hand, the walls and table the tv is sitting on? NO You remember just the TV show as if you wear experiencing it your self.
Tv is the most powerful weapon on the planet. It makes it so we are ONLY susceptible to over stimulated brain wash. When we are only susceptible to over stimulation then the people control that over stimulation can tell us what ever they please. Its ok Govt is here to protect you, your food is not poisoned its more delicious then ever. TV is what has made all this possible.

You can afford organic...
Just dont buy the most expensive organic produce. Grocery stores all ways have sales.
Its your body for God sakes, what you put inside of it really does effect who you are. If you put food laced with chemicals and pharmaceuticals witch are MADE TO SLOW YOU DOWN then your perception of reality will not be true.

edit on 17-1-2013 by Infi8nity because: (no reason given)

You make some great points, but also what I feel are some ignorant comments.

No, not everyone can afford to eat organic (see my comments above about unemployment and food stamps-- it is a fact that more people are on food stamps now than ever-- and if you had to be on food stamps, you might know that you can not afford organic anything that way.)

I have professional training in culinary and nutrition, and I'm not half bad at stretching a dollar, either... and even I have a hard time eating as healthy as I'd like sometimes.

Regarding your using your mother's financial situation as a basis for comparison, i also find that somewhat ignorant. While a hair-stylist is usually not the highest paying job out there, many hair stylists are paid quite a lot better than many professions. My mother was also a hair stylist, and I've known some others.

And finally, I do find myself wondering what kind of area you live in where you imagine "everyone" can afford to eat organic. Somewhat affluent, I might guess. On that note, not everyone even has better than a big-branch supermarket nearby-- and many supermarkets carry a minimal of (overpriced) "organic" foods. I live in a reasonably cozy middle class suburb, and the nearest "whole foods" is many miles away.

Not everyone is in the same situation, and making assumptive comparisons is ignorant, IMO.

Originally posted by Rezlooper

Originally posted by stirling
The MEAT GLUE issue is sickening.....
The food industry, (in fact most industries) these days have the customer right at the bottom of their priority list.
PROFIT is just the wrong motive...........human enterprise is based on a poor foundation, which in crumbling will kill or weaken us all....................
Reason is abandoned for a quick buck.
.

These companies are just as bad as drug dealers. It's exactly what drug dealers do, they chop a bunch of crap into their drugs to make more weight so that they can stretch it out and make more money and that's basically what these companies are doing by putting in the 'pink slime' (meat glue) into their meat..adding a cheap filler to stretch it out a little more- a measly 3 cents a pound!

Actually, they may be worse. lol

Only a couple types of "substances" are typically "adulterated" and the adulterants are usually substances like mannitol-- a naturally occurring "sugar alcohol" so safe that it's used as a baby laxative. If anything it might even help with renal elimination of some of the "bad stuff."

This thread was just what I needed to get my wife off junk food once and for all...

Thanks OP! S&F!

reply to post by Rezlooper


You should all assume that ANY and ALL processed food by big food companies contains poison in some shape or form.
Period.
It's not about Mc Donald's ribs but about the WHOLE food industry.

Plus, the list of products ADDED to your food doesn't take into account the chemicals given to animals and plants BEFORE to be sent to the processing factories. Plus, what they put in ground to fertilize the plants, the pesticides... The list is endless.

And, like the fluoride (and many other chemicals that we don't focus on) in our water, I can tell you this is not even about productivity or out of health/hygiene concerns...

Originally posted by BlueMule
This thread was just what I needed to get my wife off junk food once and for all...

Thanks OP! S&F!

Lol - After reading this article and writing this thread, my wife and I decided to make the switch to. There are some things we always bought organic, but now its time to go all or nothing! Her sister said she is going to take her family organic as well. We're all betting on how long before you actually feel healthier as you cleanse out all the toxins!

I buy vitamins from Dr. mercola. He treated my friend for testicular cancer (successfully). Really, come on people, do really think McDonalds is going be serving you anything close to a "Rib"? It's reshaped mashed up pig meat! Who knows what's in there.

Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I think the lower income families are hurting the most it's much cheaper to buy dollar burgers than to buy meat and buns to make their own.I went to the grocery store the other day I bought grapes,small bag of red and green it cost over 10 dollars this is an outrage to have to pay that to have fruit.It's the same for most fresh produce it's becoming unaffordable,as is all fresh foods.

But didn't you read? Buying meat in the grocery store is toxic too! I swear to god every single time I research food safety on the internet I get incredibly irritated. There is at least one smarmy person saying "UHHHHHHHHHH YEAH, NO." for every food item you mention. I guess we are all supposed to "grow our own food" right? In our apartments yes? And eat JUST veggies, and eat them raw. I'm so tired of hearing this. So tired.

It should be a rule that whenever you wantonly criticize where people eat, or the foodstuffs of a certain place... any place, PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES OR STOP TALKING. PERIOD.

Cannot even begin to convey the elitism I see emerging from this supposed awakening.

Originally posted by LostCompletely

Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I think the lower income families are hurting the most it's much cheaper to buy dollar burgers than to buy meat and buns to make their own.I went to the grocery store the other day I bought grapes,small bag of red and green it cost over 10 dollars this is an outrage to have to pay that to have fruit.It's the same for most fresh produce it's becoming unaffordable,as is all fresh foods.

But didn't you read? Buying meat in the grocery store is toxic too! I swear to god every single time I research food safety on the internet I get incredibly irritated. There is at least one smarmy person saying "UHHHHHHHHHH YEAH, NO." for every food item you mention. I guess we are all supposed to "grow our own food" right? In our apartments yes? And eat JUST veggies, and eat them raw. I'm so tired of hearing this. So tired.

It should be a rule that whenever you wantonly criticize where people eat, or the foodstuffs of a certain place... any place, PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES OR STOP TALKING. PERIOD.

Cannot even begin to convey the elitism I see emerging from this supposed awakening.

Where did I criticise anyone?I believe we are all in the same boat buddy,what is with the attitudes today?Either you didn't read my post correctly or I didn't convey it the way I wanted to.What I said and the point I was trying to make is they are making it so fresh foods are not available to the average person,or it has become more affordable to buy fast food than to make your own.It was not my intention to criticise anyone.

I'm like most people are getting creative looking for other ways of getting better food and it's not easy.My suggestion is to look for local farmers to buy fresh meats,dairy ect..every state has them you have to look though
they will not find you.I get local produce and usually get whats in season.I started to change my eating and buying habits when I got ticked off enough to do the research.
Be creative talk to other like minded people,I believe most places have local produce markets ask about local farms with free range meats,free range eggs.

Look I've raised my family on what I thought was good food when I realised it wasn't and the damage I may have unintentionally caused them by feeding them this crap I got pissed it and became my mission to change it.

In my opinion get enough people to become
non compliant with the big food companies or hit em where it hurts
then we will see changes.

As far as too tired to hear it,well so am I

Originally posted by FyreByrd

Originally posted by MaMaa
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

As a moral choice I do not eat beef, chicken, or pork anymore. I have seen how animals are treated and it was vile. This is not to say that I don't love a good burger, but I made the choice not to eat it anymore. Not that I ever ate McCrap much before making this choice though. We have our own veggie garden, our own chickens for eggs and I cut out the majority of animal products. I still eat fish and eggs.

I asked myself if I would be willing to kill the animal or support the way they were being treated, I without a doubt had to say no. Because of that it seemed hypocritical of me to continue eating what I wasn't willing to kill or support the treatment of, kwim?

I'm glad they banned US beef, maybe it will be a wake up call, although I doubt it.

You bring up the 'intentional' aspect of food. How animals & plants are cared for affects the quality of the final food product.

Everyday meat, etc - and even some organic meets are raised in factory farm environments and I believe it makes a difference in the food quality. But then, I believe it matters with plant foods as well.

Look in Biodynamic Agriculture where the whole food chain is honored and used to raise food. It's an awesome system and becoming ever more popular. Here the intentional (spiritual) dimenson is brought into the process for the benefit of all beings.

Generally organic type farming (husbandry) methods are much more uplifting (not the best word) then conventional mechanistic corporate farming.

Soapbox time - It's important that people make the effort and put their money into real food. It's good for us, our families, small business, our country and our world - maybe even our enternal souls. This a way for everyone of us to take a stand - in an easy and real way. People feel so helpless these days, the problems are overwhelming but this is an area where real progress is being made - and the corporations can't take it over and boy do they try.

edit on 18-1-2013 by FyreByrd because: soapbox

I have always suspected that if an animal dies in fear and a life of stress that there would be some level of toxicity in the meat, which doesn't seem good for anyone involved, but that's just my take on it.

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by MaMaa
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I still eat fish and eggs.

I asked myself if I would be willing to kill the animal

you obviously would still be willing, you eat fish.

This is true and I should have clarified. I am willing to fish and kill a fish, there for I am ok with eating it. I'm sure it is hypocritical of me to be ok killing a fish, but not a pig, a cow, or a chicken. It is however still how my wacky brain works though and I'm somehow ok with killing a fish. I figure I don't eat pork because I'm unwilling to kill a pig, research shows they are actually very intelligent animals with a complex social structure with other pigs. Cows, there is no way I could kill it myself so I have no right to eat it even if someone else killed it for me. Same goes for any other animal I'm unwilling to kill myself.

Originally posted by votan

my chickens are named is lenny and ralph. my rabbits were ( I gave them away) kip and mindy.

I am in the same boat as you with the chickens.


I do love my stupid birds! LOL Once they are named, they are pets and can not be eaten!