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Ending Bourgeois Western Democracy
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I find western democracy insulting. A duopoly is a regime. I am all for ending democracy. China is the future and their influence will spread. One of
the reasons China is the most successful nation is that it does ot have bourgeois democracy. China can make long term sensible and stable policy. It
is amazing that China could rise so fast against all odds.
It only makes sense for the world to follow China. The people of the west must turn away from 'democracy'. Democracy simply ensures constant conflict. The west must reform.
Couldnt have said it better myself. A two party duopoly is a regime.
bbs.chinadaily.com.cn...
Exactly. China does not need reform. The west needs reform. The west needs to follow the lead of China. Upward Mobilty has been reset. It still works the same but we follow China now.
Socialists and communists around the west should be working together to plan State Captalist Governments that can take over after the fall of western supercapitalism. Soon there will be alot of money in the west for the right socialist/communist organisations. CPC will end bourgeois democracy. Lets help them out.
It only makes sense for the world to follow China. The people of the west must turn away from 'democracy'. Democracy simply ensures constant conflict. The west must reform.
The arrogant west is slowly accepting the fact that China is the most successful nation and the near futures undisputed superpower. People in the west are starting to understand that they are in no position to be giving China advice about anything.
One thing the west uses for propaganda is 'democracy'. The west insists that China must reform and become more democratic.
As a westerner I have lived under democracy my whole life. In my opinion democracy is dishonest and corrupt. I think democracy is an illusion and a charade. Western governments are run by and for multinational corporations. Almost all western democracy descends into a two party duopoly. A two party duopoly is a regime. Western democracy is designed in a way that prevents minor parties from forming government even when they win the popular vote. A western democracy is designed to ensure that power stays with those that hold it and to ensure that the status quo remains intact.
Couldnt have said it better myself. A two party duopoly is a regime.
I wonder if China would really be better off by becoming more democratic. I hate democracy and few westerners actually have faith in it because its simply nonsense. Less than half of Americas population bothered to vote in the last election and those that did are fed up. US Congress has an approval rating of around 10% and the Banks are a law unto themselves anyway. Here in Australia we are forced to vote and many just turn up to get their name marked off so they dont get a fine. Its a joke. The leaders of both Australias major parties are hated by Australians. But they are our only real choice. Our media ignores any party that is not the duopoly or they cover them with bias. Democracy does not work in any way shape or form.
So why would China want to reform?
bbs.chinadaily.com.cn...
Exactly. China does not need reform. The west needs reform. The west needs to follow the lead of China. Upward Mobilty has been reset. It still works the same but we follow China now.
Socialists and communists around the west should be working together to plan State Captalist Governments that can take over after the fall of western supercapitalism. Soon there will be alot of money in the west for the right socialist/communist organisations. CPC will end bourgeois democracy. Lets help them out.
reply to post by HenryNorris
Woah Meow.
You think that communist China is a better representation of an open and free society than the West or Europe is?
Yeah..OK!
I get the fact that Western and European democracy sucks, cause it's not democracy. It's an Oligarchy, masquerading as a democracy.
But no..China is not a better place to live if you are the middle class, or poor. China certainly has bourgeoisie.
The reasons China is so succesfull is actually due to the insane ammount of exports it provides to Western and European countries. Without the mass consumer market of these nations, China would have collapsed at least a decade ago without a serious change in policy. Both domestic and international.
~Tenth
Woah Meow.
You think that communist China is a better representation of an open and free society than the West or Europe is?
Yeah..OK!
I get the fact that Western and European democracy sucks, cause it's not democracy. It's an Oligarchy, masquerading as a democracy.
But no..China is not a better place to live if you are the middle class, or poor. China certainly has bourgeoisie.
The reasons China is so succesfull is actually due to the insane ammount of exports it provides to Western and European countries. Without the mass consumer market of these nations, China would have collapsed at least a decade ago without a serious change in policy. Both domestic and international.
~Tenth
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reply to post by HenryNorris
The ruling class still controls china, just like they do here in the west.
Millions of Chinese people live on less than 2$ per day, while the ruling class aristocracy dines on fine cuisine with silverware.
The workers don't own the means of production in china, so it is not socialist or communist. And there is no equality, there is still a ruling class oppressing the poor masses.
The ruling class still controls china, just like they do here in the west.
Millions of Chinese people live on less than 2$ per day, while the ruling class aristocracy dines on fine cuisine with silverware.
The workers don't own the means of production in china, so it is not socialist or communist. And there is no equality, there is still a ruling class oppressing the poor masses.
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Of course, you'd be aware that you're not speaking for everyone and in the United States specifically, there is a problem. Your President or Mine?
You see, the difference of having a Northern European Socialist nation in the end, China in the end or a bad version of the Soviet Union when it's all done comes down to which President spearheaded the move. The REALLY big problem is that the nation is, by voting numbers, roughly 50/50 split in general ideology. So roughly HALF the nation is going to think it's a really really bad idea if the other is the one in the big seat at the time Democracy was written off.
So, China works how they work. I'm happy for them....and I would note in a serious way that their own leadership has some serious scandal issues of their own. All is not well there either. Just the same though, China's system is for the Chinese to determine and America's is for America to determine. Either nation will ..ahem..FIGHT for the position of that being a self determined thing. I'll bet that goes both directions equally too.
If America changes, it'll be because Americans chose the path and it'll take more than one President or even generation to really do in a lasting way. Obama, even as overbearing and 'Regal' as he's become, isn't enough for THAT kind of change.
You see, the difference of having a Northern European Socialist nation in the end, China in the end or a bad version of the Soviet Union when it's all done comes down to which President spearheaded the move. The REALLY big problem is that the nation is, by voting numbers, roughly 50/50 split in general ideology. So roughly HALF the nation is going to think it's a really really bad idea if the other is the one in the big seat at the time Democracy was written off.
So, China works how they work. I'm happy for them....and I would note in a serious way that their own leadership has some serious scandal issues of their own. All is not well there either. Just the same though, China's system is for the Chinese to determine and America's is for America to determine. Either nation will ..ahem..FIGHT for the position of that being a self determined thing. I'll bet that goes both directions equally too.
If America changes, it'll be because Americans chose the path and it'll take more than one President or even generation to really do in a lasting way. Obama, even as overbearing and 'Regal' as he's become, isn't enough for THAT kind of change.
reply to post by HenryNorris
If you think things are so wonderful in China try asking one of the many Foxconn workers who have been jumping to their deaths for years to
escape the horrible working conditions. Oh that's right- you can't because they committed suicide rather than suffering anymore.
Worker from Foxconn, Apple's Chinese factory, jumps to death
Worker from Foxconn, Apple's Chinese factory, jumps to death
reply to post by tothetenthpower
China is just in the proccess of stagism. They are in a capitalist empire and must play the capitalist game to beat America at it. China has beaten America at their own game.
And its an arrogant western attitude to take away from Chinas rise by saying its simply because the affluent OPEC nations have exploited them. OPEC exploits lots of places. The CPC is smart. They have long term plans and are not influenced by the imperial west. China has protected their people ans now has better infrastructure than America and the standard of living continues to rise.
What stands out to me about China is their diplomacy. They are awesome. Compare that to the imperial bullies America. America has managed to make everyone hate them. Anti-American sentiment is at an alltime high and it isnt just crazy muslim terrorists like the American Government likes to pretend.
China has sewn up trade in Asia. All the talk about the South China Sea is nonsense for a western audience. China is the leader in Asia and we all know it. Money talks. Trade is what matters. China is king.
China manage their economy unlike America who have all the advantages. China is close to destroying the USD and reaching their goal of being undisputed superpower.
China rule. They have everything covered.
China is just in the proccess of stagism. They are in a capitalist empire and must play the capitalist game to beat America at it. China has beaten America at their own game.
And its an arrogant western attitude to take away from Chinas rise by saying its simply because the affluent OPEC nations have exploited them. OPEC exploits lots of places. The CPC is smart. They have long term plans and are not influenced by the imperial west. China has protected their people ans now has better infrastructure than America and the standard of living continues to rise.
What stands out to me about China is their diplomacy. They are awesome. Compare that to the imperial bullies America. America has managed to make everyone hate them. Anti-American sentiment is at an alltime high and it isnt just crazy muslim terrorists like the American Government likes to pretend.
China has sewn up trade in Asia. All the talk about the South China Sea is nonsense for a western audience. China is the leader in Asia and we all know it. Money talks. Trade is what matters. China is king.
China manage their economy unlike America who have all the advantages. China is close to destroying the USD and reaching their goal of being undisputed superpower.
China rule. They have everything covered.
edit on 15-1-2013 by HenryNorris because: cant spell
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by HenryNorris
If you think things are so wonderful in China try asking one of the many Foxconn workers who have been jumping to their deaths for years to escape the horrible working conditions. Oh that's right- you can't because they committed suicide rather than suffering anymore.
Worker from Foxconn, Apple's Chinese factory, jumps to death
That is a front for apple.
Stop supporting Imperial Corporations.
China is just doing their best. Standards of living are rising.
Originally posted by jude11
So, what part of China are you from?
Peace
I am from Australiasia.
Australia is part of Asia. We are also part of their trade group unlike America.
Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by HenryNorris
The ruling class still controls china, just like they do here in the west.
Millions of Chinese people live on less than 2$ per day, while the ruling class aristocracy dines on fine cuisine with silverware.
The workers don't own the means of production in china, so it is not socialist or communist. And there is no equality, there is still a ruling class oppressing the poor masses.
It's not much better than what we have, but at least many of them know they are oppressed. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"
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Its stagism. It cant happen all at once george Orwell. Geez.
Stagism.
edit on 15-1-2013 by HenryNorris because: stagism
reply to post by HenryNorris
Do all the Australians agree about their being a part of Asia and not a land wholly unto themselves? I always rather considered Australia to have their own identity and very much their own Continent. In fact, I know I read that somewhere about the Continent business. Hmmm.. I'll have to ask my Geography instructor about that on Thursday.
Do all the Australians agree about their being a part of Asia and not a land wholly unto themselves? I always rather considered Australia to have their own identity and very much their own Continent. In fact, I know I read that somewhere about the Continent business. Hmmm.. I'll have to ask my Geography instructor about that on Thursday.
Originally posted by HenryNorris
That is a front for apple.
Stop supporting Imperial Corporations.
China is just doing their best. Standards of living are rising.
So that's supposed to be some kind of excuse? Your "wonderful" Chinese government does NOTHING to protect it's workers from abuse. To keep jobs the people are basically slaves to their employers. Workers who are not locked inside factories to keep them from escaping are dying in their 30s of stress induced heart attacks from working 80 to 120 hour work weeks in a lot of cases. If THAT is what a successful government allows to happen to it's people they can keep it, because it makes them piss poor human beings.
Really?In Tibet they end their slavery by set tying themselves on fire.As the world would were the Chinese conquest to succeed.
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by HenryNorris
If you think things are so wonderful in China try asking one of the many Foxconn workers who have been jumping to their deaths for years to escape the horrible working conditions. Oh that's right- you can't because they committed suicide rather than suffering anymore.
Worker from Foxconn, Apple's Chinese factory, jumps to death
reply to post by HenryNorris
This person has no idea what they are talking about.
China is a nation built upon false growth. And right now is facing a bubble of epic proportions.
Ghost cities. Empty 1/2 billiion dollar 100 story office buildings.
www.marketoracle.co.uk...
And you think China is isn't in the same boat as the USA? You're dreaming.
The arrogant west is slowly accepting the fact that China is the most successful nation and the near futures undisputed superpower. People in the west are starting to understand that they are in no position to be giving China advice about anything.
This person has no idea what they are talking about.
China is a nation built upon false growth. And right now is facing a bubble of epic proportions.
Ghost cities. Empty 1/2 billiion dollar 100 story office buildings.
www.marketoracle.co.uk...
And you think China is isn't in the same boat as the USA? You're dreaming.
Originally posted by littled16
Originally posted by HenryNorris
That is a front for apple.
Stop supporting Imperial Corporations.
China is just doing their best. Standards of living are rising.
So that's supposed to be some kind of excuse? Your "wonderful" Chinese government does NOTHING to protect it's workers from abuse. To keep jobs the people are basically slaves to their employers. Workers who are not locked inside factories to keep them from escaping are dying in their 30s of stress induced heart attacks from working 80 to 120 hour work weeks in a lot of cases. If THAT is what a successful government allows to happen to it's people they can keep it, because it makes them piss poor human beings.
Our Government own/house the multinational corporations.
Our Governments created this system and they could change it and could have. They didnt.
You would think America would have been working toward a fair Gobal Currency and a Global Minimum wage but they were more interested in exploiting nations.
NAM are the Justice Seeking nations. They are all of Africa, most of Asia and most of South America. All the nations us Western Countries exploited since WW2. They support China.
They support China. Work that out.
They are not fooled ny 'foriegn aid; scams and the Imperial IMF. It was easy for you to believe though wasnt it? Because you had it easy in the west. Us advanced western consumers led the way and we would save those poor helpless Africans by throwing them spare change after out governments robbed them.
Africa supports China. China is the future. China can change things. America better hope they do because America will be a third world nation before long. Then you will wish you made your government care about what it was doing to the world instead of exploiting the hell out of it.
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15-1-2013 by HenryNorris because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by HenryNorris
The arrogant west is slowly accepting the fact that China is the most successful nation and the near futures undisputed superpower. People in the west are starting to understand that they are in no position to be giving China advice about anything.
This person has no idea what they are talking about.
China is a nation built upon false growth. And right now is facing a bubble of epic proportions.
Ghost cities. Empty 1/2 billiion dollar 100 story office buildings.
www.marketoracle.co.uk...
And you think China is isn't in the same boat as the USA? You're dreaming.
That is propaganda.
America is facing looking like Detroit all over.
China has massive surplus and is about to invest heavily in Europe. China is floating the RMB and demand for it is through the roof as Central Banks look to protect themselves from the doomed USD.
China will grow for at least two decades. This is the start of the Asian Century. Buckle up.
reply to post by HenryNorris
This was found in a box of Halloween decorations manufactured in China...
Source
Need I say more?
This was found in a box of Halloween decorations manufactured in China...
Source
Need I say more?
edit on 15-1-2013 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by HenryNorris
No, cause America doesn't have a billion + 1 workforce under COMMUNISM supporting the state in everything they do. you cannot compare the two economies without factoring in that stat.
China exploits nations the same as the OPEC nations do. Rare earth minerals rings a bell. China has the capital to spend on these projects because of the fact that they collect billions in taxes:
Let's take a look at China's Overall Tax rates, in comparison to other places shall we?
12:30 100%
China
Corporate -- 25
Individual Min/Max -- 5 to 45
Payroll Tax - Combined with above
VAT/GST/Sales -- 17%
USA
Corporate -- 0 to 39% Fed / 0 to 12% State
Individual Min/Max -- 35% Fed / 0 To 13% State
Payroll Tax -- 2.9 to 15.3% Fed / 0 to 2% states
VAT/GST/Sales --0 to 10.25%
Pretty easy to have have all that revenue generated for projects when you take that much. That's only in taxation as well, that's not including the other fees and levy's the government has in place for the people of China to pay into.
China is only in a better position because it became a super power far later than the US did and was not mired in a host of international issues and wars over the last 6 decades.
China's economy however is inflated and not actually as good as it seems. Much like the US economy was inflated and faked prior to the 2008 crash. China will see a similar drop in value of Yuan along with a housing crisis that will strike them relatively soon.
~Tenth
China is just in the proccess of stageism. They are in a capitalist empire and must play the capitalist game to beat America at it. China has beaten America at their own game.
No, cause America doesn't have a billion + 1 workforce under COMMUNISM supporting the state in everything they do. you cannot compare the two economies without factoring in that stat.
And its an arrogant western attitude to take away from Chinas rise by saying its simply because the affluent OPEC nations have exploited them. OPEC exploits lots of places. The CPC is smart. They have long term plans and are not influenced by the imperial west. China has protected their people ans now has better infrastructure than America and the standard of living continues to rise.
China exploits nations the same as the OPEC nations do. Rare earth minerals rings a bell. China has the capital to spend on these projects because of the fact that they collect billions in taxes:
Turnover taxes. This includes three kinds of taxes, namely, Value-Added Tax, Consumption Tax and Business Tax. The levy of these taxes are normally based on the volume of turnover or sales of the taxpayers in the manufacturing, circulation or service sectors.
Income taxes. This includes Enterprise Income Tax (effective prior to 2008, applicable to such domestic enterprises as state-owned enterprises, collectively owned enterprises, private enterprises, joint operation enterprises and joint equity enterprises), Foreign Investment Enterprise and Foreign Enterprise Income Tax ("FEIT"), and Individual Income Tax.
These taxes are levied on the basis of the profits gained by producers or dealers, or the income earned by individuals. Please note that the new Enterprise Income Tax Law of the People's Republic of China has replaced the aboves two enterprises taxes as from 1 January 2008.
Resource taxes. This consists of Resource Tax and Urban and Township Land Use Tax. These taxes are applicable to the exploiters engaged in natural resource exploitation or to the users of urban and township land. These taxes reflect the chargeable use of state-owned natural resources, and aim to adjust the different profits derived by taxpayers who have access to different availability of natural resources.
Taxes for special purposes. These taxes are City Maintenance and Construction Tax, Farmland Occupation Tax, Fixed Asset Investment Orientation Regulation Tax, Land Appreciation Tax, and Vehicle Acquisition Tax. These taxes are levied on specific items for special regulative purposes.
Property taxes. This encompasses House Property Tax, Urban Real Estate Tax, and Inheritance Tax (not yet levied).
Behavioural taxes. This includes Vehicle and Vessel Usage Tax, Vehicle and Vessel Usage License Plate Tax, Stamp Tax, Deed Tax, Securities Exchange Tax (not yet levied), Slaughter Tax and Banquet Tax. These taxes are levied on specified behaviour.
Agricultural taxes. Taxes belonging to this category are Agriculture Tax (including Agricultural Specialty Tax) and Animal Husbandry Tax which are levied on the enterprises, units and/or individuals receiving income from agriculture and animal husbandry activities.
Customs duties. Customs duties are imposed on the goods and articles imported into and exported out of the territory of the People's Republic of China, including Excise Tax.
Let's take a look at China's Overall Tax rates, in comparison to other places shall we?
12:30 100%
China
Corporate -- 25
Individual Min/Max -- 5 to 45
Payroll Tax - Combined with above
VAT/GST/Sales -- 17%
USA
Corporate -- 0 to 39% Fed / 0 to 12% State
Individual Min/Max -- 35% Fed / 0 To 13% State
Payroll Tax -- 2.9 to 15.3% Fed / 0 to 2% states
VAT/GST/Sales --0 to 10.25%
Pretty easy to have have all that revenue generated for projects when you take that much. That's only in taxation as well, that's not including the other fees and levy's the government has in place for the people of China to pay into.
China is only in a better position because it became a super power far later than the US did and was not mired in a host of international issues and wars over the last 6 decades.
China's economy however is inflated and not actually as good as it seems. Much like the US economy was inflated and faked prior to the 2008 crash. China will see a similar drop in value of Yuan along with a housing crisis that will strike them relatively soon.
~Tenth
reply to post by tothetenthpower
There wil be no drop because Central Banks are looking to replace their USD reseves with gold or the RMB. This is the death knell for America.
America lived on selling USTbonds and abusing the Reserve Status like a stolen credit card. It could not last forever.
The Super Commitee didnt save America. QE wont save America. Minting trillion dollar coins wont save America. Even the CIA admits America is on the backswing. America has peaked. Its a new day. Now America will become like Greece but the IMF wont own America. China will. Its all about confidence. Everyone is looking to China. America is the past.
America must turn to socialism and create a society that cares about more than the individual.
edit- If you were not a capitalist you wouldnt mind paying tax and helping your nation and countrymen. Its patriotic to pay tax. Its also good that nations like China make sure corporatists dont buy all the people utilities and assets. America wants to privatize the world. America like privatization because it allows corporatists to exploit us. China protects its people and contiues to build outstanding infrastructure.
There wil be no drop because Central Banks are looking to replace their USD reseves with gold or the RMB. This is the death knell for America.
America lived on selling USTbonds and abusing the Reserve Status like a stolen credit card. It could not last forever.
The Super Commitee didnt save America. QE wont save America. Minting trillion dollar coins wont save America. Even the CIA admits America is on the backswing. America has peaked. Its a new day. Now America will become like Greece but the IMF wont own America. China will. Its all about confidence. Everyone is looking to China. America is the past.
America must turn to socialism and create a society that cares about more than the individual.
edit- If you were not a capitalist you wouldnt mind paying tax and helping your nation and countrymen. Its patriotic to pay tax. Its also good that nations like China make sure corporatists dont buy all the people utilities and assets. America wants to privatize the world. America like privatization because it allows corporatists to exploit us. China protects its people and contiues to build outstanding infrastructure.
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15-1-2013 by HenryNorris because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Bone75
Yeah I saw that.
That news item was what made me write the other thread.
I am sick of news stories like that. Westerners make me sick and no, you need say no more. That same day I saw this annoying jerk on A-Pac talking about how Australia must get China to reform as we grow closer with the asian century. These jerks have no right to judge China and I think they are pushed by American backed organisations to cause tyrouble between Australia and China. Australia must do what Russia did and kick all American 'aid' and 'rights' organisations out of Australia. They are destructive and use useful clever idiots to cause conflict.
Dalia Lama fan? He takes money from the CIA you know and encourages people to burn themselves alive. You like democracy puppets? Suu Kyi Fan?
edit- actually, I think I wrote the thread after reading a story where Australians are complaining about the Japanese eating whales. I am sick of westerners telling Asia what to do. Saw the A-Pac same day. But I did see that story. I dont know why I should believe it. Who knows who wrote that letter. Could have been anyone.
Yeah I saw that.
That news item was what made me write the other thread.
I am sick of news stories like that. Westerners make me sick and no, you need say no more. That same day I saw this annoying jerk on A-Pac talking about how Australia must get China to reform as we grow closer with the asian century. These jerks have no right to judge China and I think they are pushed by American backed organisations to cause tyrouble between Australia and China. Australia must do what Russia did and kick all American 'aid' and 'rights' organisations out of Australia. They are destructive and use useful clever idiots to cause conflict.
Dalia Lama fan? He takes money from the CIA you know and encourages people to burn themselves alive. You like democracy puppets? Suu Kyi Fan?
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edit- actually, I think I wrote the thread after reading a story where Australians are complaining about the Japanese eating whales. I am sick of westerners telling Asia what to do. Saw the A-Pac same day. But I did see that story. I dont know why I should believe it. Who knows who wrote that letter. Could have been anyone.
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