Who discovered noah's ark? Ron Wyatt or Ed Davis/George Hagopian?

Originally posted by ajay59
So what then happened to all of this excess water afterward? It soaked in to the center of the planet? Floated away in to space? Maybe it is still here all around us and we just do not realize it is there and breathing it in to this day? I do not mean to be hypocritical, but just think critically. Common sense tells me that all these ideas are impossible.

They'll tell you in some form or another that God just magicked it all away. Basically any time you point out a scientific error in the Bible they'll salvage it by playing the "Goddidit" cop-out card and it's checkmate. Kinda useless to debate a group of people who exhibit that much intellectual dishonesty.

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Actually my suggestion is that the water would have reclaimed land and that the ice caps may not have been the only reason sea levels rose so much way back.

Places like Macchu Pichu that show (*David Hatcher Childress voice*) "MASSIVE DEVASTATION where these huge stones weighing thousands of tons look like they've been thrown around". I think they were thrown around......by water.

I think places like Malta where the majority of the main island is now underwater was caused not just from melting ice caps but also this 'biblical' flood.

Ajay has a point in that this story is seen throughout many civilisations.....which begs many questions.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
I am completely convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real.

I spoke with a close personal friend of Ron Wyatt years ago that left me with no question whatsoever about the legitimacy of all of Ron's discoveries.

THE PROPHETIC TELEGRAPH No.78
"The Ark was found on 6th January 1982 but was kept secret by request of the Israeli Government. ... the whole episode has been compassed about by miracle." Link

See this link for more:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

/facepalm
The Ark of the Covenant is not Noah's Ark.

There's 0 credible archaeological data for either. The best we have is areas where it is apparent that a flood may have wiped out a civilization.

Big deal.

Originally posted by ajay59
So what then happened to all of this excess water afterward? It soaked in to the center of the planet? Floated away in to space? Maybe it is still here all around us and we just do not realize it is there and breathing it in to this day? I do not mean to be hypocritical, but just think critically. Common sense tells me that all these ideas are impossible.

I know this will get laughed at here but the question of water floating into space made me think of this theory.
The Hydroplate Theory

The one basic element of the Hydroplate Theory is a model of the antediluvian earth. According to this model, the earth had a subcrustal ocean, as do three of the Galilean moons of Jupiter. This ocean was in a sealed chamber with multiple pillars holding up the earth's crust overhead. Beginning with the Fall of Man, these pillars began to buckle, slowly at first, then somewhat faster. This buckling caused some parts of the crust to begin to settle, and this uneven settling created tensile stresses in the parts of the crust that did not settle. Eventually the crust failed catastrophically, creating a seam at what is now the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. This seam continued to break open until at length all of that water, previously confined under pressure, burst through to the surface. The crust was then ruptured, forming various crustal plates, or hydroplates, that moved about or were shoved violently aside or into one another. This movement generated a great deal of heat, at levels that persist today under the earth.

Most of the water thus released washed over all the land areas in a series of incredibly high and fast tsunamis. These great waves lifted up Noah's Ark and carried it with them. That the Ark, or indeed any vessel, could survive this event is a tribute to the Ark's divine design and to Noah's consummate skill as a shipwright. In addition, this water created a cascade that arced very high in the atmosphere and fell as rain, for forty days and nights, as the Bible says. This water would reach very high indeed, not only because it had been confined under pressure, but also because the ten-mile-thick crustal plates would "flap" with the water's passage and create pumping action and "water hammer" to drive the water even higher. Brown estimates that one percent of this water, together with vast quantities of mud and rock, achieved escape speed and persists today as comets, asteroids, meteoroids, and the ice deposits that have already been demonstrated on the Moon, the planet Mercury, and most recently on the planet Mars. In addition, many of the ejected rocks may have bombarded the Moon and created many of its present features—although Russell Humphreys' magnetic-field model, combined with findings from samples returned by the crews of Apollo 15 and Apollo 16, suggest that the Moon was bombarded on two other occasions, neither of which coincided with the Flood.

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It helps explain where the water went, and this

When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. (Genesis 7:11 NLT)

I don't subscribe to this theory, I try and keep an open mind but something tells me this theory is flawed, I'm sure I'll hear about it.

Originally posted by fishwhisperer

I think Ron Wyatt is on the money here. The Ark isn't his only discovery though as he has also discovered the real Mt Sinai where Moses recieved the 10 commandments...it sold me as as the Biblical account matches exactly and geography are all still there to this day...in Saudi Arabia !!!! of all places. Of course the Saudies have now fenced it off and let no one in to further research the area.

saying that, Mt Sinai deserves a thread on it's own.

It's funny how one man alone who wasn't even a qualified archaeologist (so wouldn't be allowed to excavate) managed to find all these things (a couple of dozen or more) EXACTLY where the bible said they were when people who were qualified and allowed to dig found nothing.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Noah's Ark is a nice story...but that is all it is...a STORY.

It's hard to believe that some will go through their ENTIRE lives being completely and totally brainwashed into believing absolute LIES when the evidence for the truth is so massive.

The agenda behind this is so ridiculously obvious that it really makes you wonder.

"And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestral knowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

Hundreds of tribal legends and ancient accounts from Egypt, Babylon, and the Indus confirm the account of Noah's Flood from the book of Genesis. These tribes and ancient cultures obviously had no interest in copying a Hebrew account about a global Flood, therefore, all of these accounts must have been independently derived by the various people-groups' ancestors from the eight who were on the vessel that endured the global Flood. When the eight reproduced and spread out across the Middle East, and soon thereafter, much of the world (as some were demonstrably excellent mariners), the memory of the worldwide Flood was retained, and to a not-surprisingly great degree."

The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood

What is the significance of the various flood legends? The answer seems obvious: (a) we have well over 200 flood legends that tell of a great flood (and possibly more than 500); (b) many of the legends come from different ages and civilizations that could not possibly have copied any of the similar legends; (c) the legends were recorded long before any missionaries arrived to relate to them the Genesis account of Noah; and (d) almost all civilizations have some sort of flood legend. The conclusion to be drawn from such facts is that in the distant past, there was a colossal flood that forever affected the history of all civilizations.

Alfred Rehwinkel wrote:

Traditions similar to this record are found among nearly all the nations and tribes of the human race. And this is as one would expect it to be. If that awful world catastrophe, as described in the Bible, actually happened, the existence of the Flood traditions among the widely separated and primitive people is just what is to be expected. It is only natural that the memory of such an event was rehearsed in the ears of the children of the survivors again and again, and possibly made the basis of some religious observances (1951, pp. 127-128).

Preserved in the myths and legends of almost every people on the face of the globe is the memory of the great catastrophe. While myths may not have any scientific value, yet they are significant in indicating the fact that an impression was left in the minds of the races of mankind that could not be erased.

There is almost complete agreement among practically all flood accounts: As Furman Kearley once observed: “These traditions agree in too many vital points not to have originated from the same factual event”.

Legends of the Flood

Personally I can't help but take all of Ron Wyatt's supposed discoveries with a grain of salt due to the obvious discrepancies related to the ivory pomegranate.

According to accounts attributed to him,

ON Wednesday, 6th January, 1982, Ron discovered the cave chamber where the Ark and other temple items had been hidden over 2600 years before.The following statement is made about the ivory pomegranate (right) alongside its display in the Israel Museum Jerusalem. "The pomegranate displayed here is a sensational discovery, of great significance to the history and archaeology of ancient Israel. It bears an incised inscription in the ancient Hebrew script: 'Sacred donation for the priests of (in) the House of Yahweh' "...our pomegranate is the only known surviving object from the First Temple, built by King Solomon in Jerusalem."

And there were other miscellaneous items dating to pre-Babylonian times:
A very large sword (1.57m)
Numerous oil lamps
A brass shekel weight
A brass ring
An ephod
An ivory pomegranate
On a subsequent trip, Ron removed the pomegranate from the chamber, and it is now displayed in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. The inscription on it has been dated to the first temple period. Museum visitors are informed that this pomegranate is from King Solomon's temple.

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January 6, 1982 - 2 PM
The objects he saw in that chamber that he feels confident in identifying are: the Ark of the Covenant in the Stone case; the Table of Shewbread; the Golden Altar of Incense that was in front of the veil; the Golden Censer; the seven-branched Candlestick holder, (which didn't have candles but had tiny, bowl-like golden oil lamps which are built into the tips of the candlestick); a very large sword; an Ephod; a Miter with an ivory pomegranate on the tip; a brass shekel weight; numerous oil lamps; and a brass ring which appeared to be for hanging a curtain or something similar.

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On January 6, 1982, after years of hard labor and excavation permits issued by the Israeli Department of Antiquities, Ron crawled into the cave where the Ark was located. In this cave he also found the Table of Shewbread, the 7-branch candlestick, the Golden Altar of Incense, and the Golden Censer which all still remain there today. He brought out a very large sword, numerous oil lamps, a brass shekel weight, a brass ring, an ephod, and an ivory pomegranate. Any item Ron would find in the excavation he would turn over to the Israel Antiquities Authority, which he did. Today in the Israel Museum Jerusalem, you can see the ivory pomegranate Ron turned over to the IAA after bringing it out of the tunnel system that led to the cave that houses the Ark of the Covenant. It is said to be the only item ever found from Solomon's temple, in the first temple period. It is a thumb-sized pomegranate believed to be used by the Temple priests during one of their ceremonies. Around the shoulder of the pomegranate is a carefully incised inscription in early Hebrew characters, part of which is broken off, and reads: "qodes kohanim I-beyt [yahwe]h" or "Sacred donation for the priests of (in) the House of [Yahwe]h." "House of Yahweh" most probably refers to the Temple in Jerusalem. It has a hollow cavity in the base for mounting on a rod or shaft. The pomegranate was a favorite motif in the Temple of Solomon. After Ron gave this to the IAA in 1979 or 1980, the department was plundered and many items stolen, including this wonderful find. In 1981 it appeared in a French magazine.

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I'd like to draw attention to the dates listed, January 6, 1982 he crawled into the cave where the Ark was located, one of the items he discovered and removed was the ivory pomegranate. After stating that the objects he removed were turned over to the IAA and describing the importance of the pomegranate it states that he gave it to the IAA in 1979 or 1980! Which would be prior to him discovering it. Why you might ask...

To be continued due to lack of space

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Because this is the OFFICIAL history of the pomegranate

vory pomegranate bearing an 8th century BC Hebrew script.

It is the only known object attributed to Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem. Solomon’s Temple (sometimes referred to as the “First Temple”) was Israel’s central place of worship for about 380 years, from its construction in ca 970 BC until it was destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC. We know approximately where the remains are—somewhere beneath the present-day platform upon which the Dome of the Rock and El-Aqsa mosques are located in the Old City of Jerusalem. Since the area is holy to Muslims, excavation is not permitted; thus it has not been possible to examine the remains of Solomon’s temple firsthand. In spite of this limitation, it appears that now, for the first time, an object from Solomon’s Temple has come to light.

The artifact, a small ivory pomegranate, was first noticed in an antiquities shop in Jerusalem by French scholar Andre Lemaire in 1979. He published a scholarly description of his find in 1981 and a popular version in 1984 (see references). It was subsequently purchased and taken out of the country. But in 1988 the pomegranate was purchased by the Israel Museum, where it is now on display. This unique object is just under 1 3/4 inches (43 mm) tall and a little over 3/4 inch (21 mm) in diameter. It has a rounded body tapering toward a flat bottom pierced by a hole. The neck is narrow and tall and terminates in six petals, two of which are broken. Its shape is that of a pomegranate in its blossom stage of growth. A mature pomegranate, in contrast, is globular, with a crown of short petals.

Source

The thumb-sized ivory pomegranate measuring 44 millimetres (1.7 in) in height, bears an ancient Hebrew inscription that reads, depending on the point chosen as the beginning in the circular inscription, "Belonging to the Temple [literally 'house'] of ---h, holy to the priests" or "Sacred donation for the priests of [or 'in'] the Temple [literally 'house'] of ---h". It was once believed by some scholars to have adorned a sceptre used by the high priest in Solomon's Temple. Its origin is unknown as it appeared on the antiquities market anonymously in 1979 and was smuggled out of Israel and sold to an anonymous collector in France. Based on authentication by Israel’s then leading epigrapher, Professor Nahman Avigad of Hebrew University,[2] the Israel Museum in Jerusalem purchased it from the collector for the sum of $550,000 in 1988. It was considered the most important item of biblical antiquities in the Israel Museum’s collection.[3]

References
André Lemaire, “Une inscription paleo-hebraique sur grenade en ivoire,” Revue Biblique, Vol. 88, pp. 236–239.
André Lemaire, “Probable Head of Priestly Scepter from Solomon’s Temple Surfaces in Jerusalem,” BAR, January/February 1984

"he gave it to the IAA in 1979 or 1980! Which would be prior to him discovering it. Why you might ask..."

In order to understand what is happening here you MUST understand who is involved and WHAT they have as an agenda.

These people HATE Jesus and will slander ANYTHING that suggests that He is real.

This discovery has been fiercely attacked by them because it proves the Bible is TRUTH.

As a student of Jewish deception for the last 33 years, I can smell a viper 7,000 miles away; and this is A COVER-UP, NOT A HOAX. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

If this story were a fraud, the jews wouldn't be bashing Ron Wyatt. The contents of the Ark are ABSOLUTELY EXPLOSIVE, namely: the two TABLETS containing the Ten Commandments, Aaron's rod, and a sample of manna in a pot. All of this would prove, beyond a shodow of a doubt, that the Bible is GOD'S WORD. The Illuminati have invested too much in academia to turn them againist the Bible. This discovery would totally blow the billions - if not trillions - of dollars they have invested in their anti-Bible campaign. The last thing the jews want is renewed interest in the Bible, especially the New Testament!!!" Source

"He exposed the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) he denounced those who belonged to it as sons of the devil (Lucifer), whom he castigated as the father of lies (John 8:44) and the prince of deceit (2 Cor. 11:14). He was specific in his statement that those who comprised the synagogue of Satan were those who called themselves Jews, but were not, and did lie (Rev. 2:9; 3:9). He identified the Money-Changers (Bankers) the Scribes, and the Pharisees as the Illuminati of his day.

Illuminati Roots

FACT: When something as monumental as this is discovered, it is GOING to be attacked:

The articles Ron specifically mentioned as found in the Chamber or nearby include: the stalactite blocking his entrance in January 1982 when he entered the top space of the chamber; an ivory pomegranate, partly broken and an oil lamp with drawing of a ram or a goat standing on its hind legs (reminds us of the ram in the thicket in the story of Abraham's attempted sacrifice of Isaac).

The whereabouts of this pomegranate is not known. Interestingly, an ivory pomegranate with inscriptions in ancient Hebrew ('Holy to the priests, belonging to the house of Yahweh') came to the possession of the Israeli museum in 1988 (which the authorities now disclaim as fraud without convincing reason) The museum piece was exhibited as the only relic from Solomon's Temple at a special exhibit in Washington, DC November 1993 with detailed pictures and description.

That this is not the same item Ron described is obvious from the fact that Andre Lemaire the famous French scholar had published articles about it in 1979 and 1984 with pictures, the second one in BAR January 1984 issue. The picture of the pomegranate in the picture collage below is of the Israeli museum piece. The oil lamp mentioned above was against the original entrance at the bottom of the chamber. The soot on one side indicated the wind pattern, and from this Ron traced the original entrance.

Ark of the Covenant Found
www.biblediscoveries.com...

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Interesting theory but it still doesn't explain why there is no evidence in the geological strata of this ever happening. And that therefore makes me highly suspicious. The level of force and energy required would leave visible scarring on the Earth's rock strata, no 2 ways about it - and it isn't there.

I keep saying it (in various threads) but the reason for multiple flood myths in multiple locations around the globe is simply that sea levels have risen at differing times in differing regions, as evidenced by various things - the most difficult to argue with being ancient submerged shorelines which can be successfully dated. There is all sorts of on going research into this field, much undertaken by institutions such as Woods Hole who specifically concentrate on the oceans for any and all of their research - it is their bread and butter.

In short, i am not saying Noah's Ark is fictional or that it never existed. What i am saying though, categorically, is that currently there is no credible evidence anywhere that it has been discovered. And what's more, current scientific understanding shows that there would be little to nothing left of it if it is ever actually discovered - which would make verification next to impossible for any subsequent finds. Unless it is in a bog or submerged under an ancient shoreline or river bed........

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You are of course speaking of yourself? LOL!

The difference between us is that I know that Neither I or anyone else can prove whether a GOD exists or not. I admit we simply don't know and there is absolutely not one shread of viable proof that anyone can present for either side of the issue.

You however refuse to even admit this very real fact.

You inability to do so comes from multiple decades of Religious Doctrination. This is also known as Brainwashing.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Flavian
Interesting theory but it still doesn't explain why there is no evidence in the geological strata of this ever happening. And that therefore makes me highly suspicious.

There is PLENTY of evidence.

Just because you don't see it on the "Mainstream Mindcontrol" channel doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The VAST majority of what we have been told is LIE.

You MUST learn to think in the opposite direction of propaganda.

You really NEED to see the stealth agenda behind science, history, media, etc.

Without that, you are never going to see the REAL history behind the facade.

Originally posted by Robonakka
So you really think a boat made of wood will last 8,000 years on a volcano? Really? Doesn't wood rot? Wouldn't there have been great demand for wood in a post flood environment? Surely the ark was broken up for housing and the remains rotted away eons ago. Surely.

Why break it up? Why not just live in it? As long as it landed in a good spot...

I agree it would've rotted and disintegrated...unless it was preserved somehow. Maybe they sealed it really good. Maybe it became encased in ice for a long time. Maybe its a Christmas morning miracle, who knows...

Another consideration would be that they saw the ark as being too important to break apart. They could always come back and visit and tell their children and grandchildren how God loved them so much that he saved them. Nevermind Joe the carpenter who worked his ass off for 15 years to build this thing. He doesn't get so much as a mention.


Don't try to tell me that attention whore Noah built it... He only showed up at the end for the "photo op" moment to pound in the final nail, which was made of gold I heard... Oh yeah, Noah was all about the bling bling and wild parties with rap stars of the era. I heard once he got so drunk he passed out in his tent with his robe open for passerby to gawk, including his son. His other son thankfully covered him up. And when Noah woke up around noon the next day, rubbing his eyes and reeking of booze to face the community after his drunken rampage the night before, he heard about what happened, and instead of apologizing for his actions, he made it all about his sons, and how they reacted, saying the son who ran away traumatized to tell his brother somehow did something wrong, and placed heaps of honor onto the son who walked into the tent backwards and covered him up without viewing his nakedness... That first son had to live in shake forever after because of his fathers twisting of the truth. So I do not for one minute believe that Noah built that ark... Sure, he mighta helped a little in his own way, but from a strictly supervisory position...

Nah I'm just kidding, I'm sure he was a great guy.

Originally posted by HairlessApe

Originally posted by Murgatroid
I am completely convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real.

I spoke with a close personal friend of Ron Wyatt years ago that left me with no question whatsoever about the legitimacy of all of Ron's discoveries.

THE PROPHETIC TELEGRAPH No.78
"The Ark was found on 6th January 1982 but was kept secret by request of the Israeli Government. ... the whole episode has been compassed about by miracle." Link

See this link for more:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

/facepalm
The Ark of the Covenant is not Noah's Ark.

There's 0 credible archaeological data for either. The best we have is areas where it is apparent that a flood may have wiped out a civilization.

Big deal.

He knows that! He's referring to the man's many discoveries...

Yes, many stories all around the world of a huge flood...not a huge fire...not a huge earthquake...not a huge monster...but all stories from people seperated by as far a distance as you can manage on the planet earth, of a great flood. Big deal. You're correct here. VERY big deal.

Originally posted by Imagewerx

Originally posted by fishwhisperer

I think Ron Wyatt is on the money here. The Ark isn't his only discovery though as he has also discovered the real Mt Sinai where Moses recieved the 10 commandments...it sold me as as the Biblical account matches exactly and geography are all still there to this day...in Saudi Arabia !!!! of all places. Of course the Saudies have now fenced it off and let no one in to further research the area.

saying that, Mt Sinai deserves a thread on it's own.

It's funny how one man alone who wasn't even a qualified archaeologist (so wouldn't be allowed to excavate) managed to find all these things (a couple of dozen or more) EXACTLY where the bible said they were when people who were qualified and allowed to dig found nothing.

I knooow!!!! I was just thinking the exact same thing...

It's like that old saying about "only he of pure heart may enter". I just love to see the professionals get dogged by the underdog!

The truth will be revealed to us all one day.

I hope I find out everything as soon as I die. Hmm... I think I just figured out the key! Gunshot to the head = Instant Truth... maybe. On second thought though, maybe I'll just wait and see what happens during my lifetime... You know, bank as much truth I can in case the afterlife truth bonanza ends up being a delusional fantasy of mine.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Observationalist

 

Interesting theory but it still doesn't explain why there is no evidence in the geological strata of this ever happening. And that therefore makes me highly suspicious. The level of force and energy required would leave visible scarring on the Earth's rock strata, no 2 ways about it - and it isn't there.

I keep saying it (in various threads) but the reason for multiple flood myths in multiple locations around the globe is simply that sea levels have risen at differing times in differing regions, as evidenced by various things - the most difficult to argue with being ancient submerged shorelines which can be successfully dated. There is all sorts of on going research into this field, much undertaken by institutions such as Woods Hole who specifically concentrate on the oceans for any and all of their research - it is their bread and butter.

In short, i am not saying Noah's Ark is fictional or that it never existed. What i am saying though, categorically, is that currently there is no credible evidence anywhere that it has been discovered. And what's more, current scientific understanding shows that there would be little to nothing left of it if it is ever actually discovered - which would make verification next to impossible for any subsequent finds. Unless it is in a bog or submerged under an ancient shoreline or river bed........

Yeah if only there was some sort of visible scarring that we could- Oh wait...there IS that one gigantic, never-ending scar that runs along the ocean floor, covering the whole planet like a baseball seam minus the stitches. Only the largest feature of our planet other than the planet itself... But that's probably nothing.

reply to post by Flavian

Interesting theory but it still doesn't explain why there is no evidence in the geological strata of this ever happening. And that therefore makes me highly suspicious. The level of force and energy required would leave visible scarring on the Earth's rock strata, no 2 ways about it - and it isn't there.

Some evidence

The Genesis Conflict
101 - The Earth in Time and Space
Description: In this video, the big bang theory of origins and its plausibility are discussed. The catastrophic origin of the geological column is presented in full multimedia format. Evidence for rapid water deposition of the layers of the geological column, canyon formation, erosional features, and paraconformites (missing time zones) are discussed together with their age implications. The standard geological view is contrasted with the Biblical view, enabling the viewer to make a choice between the two models.


102 - The Universal Flood
Description: Science today denies a universal flood, as it would destroy the continuity of the fossil record in the geological column. In this video, evidence for precisely such a universal phenomenon is presented with fascinating video material from modern day catastrophes on a smaller scale. The origin of the petrified forests and their flood implications are also discussed.

Nicolaus Steno (1631–1686) has often been called the Father of modern geology. The three principles of stratigraphy he published (horizontality, superposition and lateral continuity) marked the birth of geology as a science and of stratigraphy in particular. They have stood the test of time. He had immense influence on geological thinking in the 17th and 18th centuries. His principles are still taught in first-year geology courses all over the world,1 and used every day in the field by professional geologists. From them we can unravel the stratigraphy of sedimentary deposits.
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Steno and many other geological pioneers were Bible believing creationists. They saw no conflict between the field evidence and the history of the world set out by Scripture.

The so-called conflict between geology and the Bible began in the late 1700s and early 1800s when people such as James Hutton and Charles Lyell championed a new philosophy into geology—uniformitarianism. In Lyell’s words in the title of his book, it was ‘an attempt to explain the former changes of the earth’s surface by reference to causes now in operation’. Nowhere did they show the biblical framework was faulty. Rather, they completely ignored the Bible and the deluge (2 Peter 3:3–7). However, in recent decades geologists have been saying that the gradualistic uniformitarianism of Charles Lyell does not match the evidence.21

A century of faulty interpretations could have been avoided if it had been remembered that the giants of geology such as Nicholas Steno took the Bible seriously, and why. By considering alternative interpretive frameworks geologists would have appreciated the philosophical underpinnings of geological investigation, and perhaps been more open to seeing the evidence for catastrophe. Ignorance of our geological heritage simply narrows our understanding of the intellectual basis for geological interpretations, their limitations and the risks.
source (good to read entire article)

The father of stratigraphy, Steno, whose principles developed on studying geological layers have not changed believed the strata layers of the Earth are explained as a major marine deposit (95% of all fossils found on land are marine invertebrates) caused by the deluge from the universal flood from Noah's time.

In short, i am not saying Noah's Ark is fictional or that it never existed. What i am saying though, categorically, is that currently there is no credible evidence anywhere that it has been discovered.

The Turkish government believe there is enough credible evidence out there...they have made a national park out of the site from Ron Wyatt and spent much time a few decades ago analysis all the findings and evidence themselves

This is going to be a surprise to some people because their gut reaction will be no way, that can't be.

But all that water is still with us. The earth is essentially a blue water planet, this is from Wiki in it's earth section

The abundance of water on Earth's surface is a unique feature that distinguishes the "Blue Planet" from others in the Solar System. The Earth's hydrosphere consists chiefly of the oceans, but technically includes all water surfaces in the world, including inland seas, lakes, rivers, and underground waters down to a depth of 2,000 m. The deepest underwater location is Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean with a depth of −10,911.4 m. The mass of the oceans is approximately 1.35×1018 metric tons, or about 1/4400 of the total mass of the Earth. The oceans cover an area of 3.618×108 km2 with a mean depth of 3,682 m, resulting in an estimated volume of 1.332×109 km3. If all the land on Earth were spread evenly, water would rise to an altitude of more than 2.7 km. About 97.5% of the water is saline, while the remaining 2.5% is fresh water. Most fresh water, about 68.7%, is currently ice.

Pre-flood the oceans were much much smaller and less deep, lakes were smaller. And mountains were lower, the intense weight of the sudden release of all this water on the earth crust,
changed the geology of the planet completely.


Consider this about the fossil record

Marine fossils are also found high in the Himalayas, the world’s tallest mountain range, reaching up to 29,029 feet (8,848 m) above sea level. For example, fossil ammonites (coiled marine cephalopods) are found in limestone beds in the Himalayas of Nepal. All geologists agree that ocean waters must have buried these marine fossils in these limestone beds. So how did these marine limestone beds get high up in the Himalayas?

Think about that ?

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33

Consider this about the fossil record

Marine fossils are also found high in the Himalayas, the world’s tallest mountain range, reaching up to 29,029 feet (8,848 m) above sea level. For example, fossil ammonites (coiled marine cephalopods) are found in limestone beds in the Himalayas of Nepal. All geologists agree that ocean waters must have buried these marine fossils in these limestone beds. So how did these marine limestone beds get high up in the Himalayas?

Think about that ?

edit on 17-1-2013 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)

Very simply because they're sedimentary rocks,and millions of years ago they were part of the sea bed.Over time the sea levels dropped,good ol' plate tectonics was hard at work pushing whole continents backwards and forwards over the planet's surface until some of them happened to bump into each other and pushed large bits of rock upwards where they became mountains.

reply to post by Imagewerx


Not completely wrong I agree, but what would the effects of the sudden release of billions of tons of water on the earths crust do to plate tectonics, it's as you said.

With the sudden opening of the ‘springs of the watery deep’ and “the floodgates of the heavens,” untold billions of tons of water deluged the earth. (Ge 7:11) This may have caused tremendous changes in earth’s surface. The earth’s crust is relatively thin (estimated at between 30 km [20 mi] and 160 km [100 mi] thick), stretched over a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence, under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened, and new shorelines were established, with the result that now about 70 percent of the surface is covered with water. This shifting in the earth’s crust may account for many geologic phenomena, such as the raising of old coastlines to new heights. It has been estimated by some that water pressures alone were equal to “2 tons per square inch,” sufficient to fossilize fauna and flora quickly.—See The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch

So your not wrong in your assessment, our timeline doesn't agree however.