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Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by ConservativeAwakening
Um I'm pretty sure Hitler inscinerating millions of Jews had something to do with it. Me thinks Churchill had no choice but to take out a man trying to conquer Europe.
Originally posted by primus2012
They entered the war under Chamberlain and not Churchill methinks.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
I personally believe the war could have been averted if it weren't for England's radical position towards Germany in the 30s and 1939,40.
there are a lot of things that aren't taught in school about the beginnings of the war,
England was the first to pursue radically aggressive measures towards Germany
, like the bombing of civilian areas. No wonder the Germans retaliated with the Blitz, the Brits did it first anyway. So what do you think? Did Churchill make the European situation worse? I believe so.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by primus2012
They entered the war under Chamberlain and not Churchill methinks.
true, but Churchill nevertheless was pivotal in the English position towards Germany and Hitler. Churchill was a radical, much like Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. But he isn't remembered as such, because he won the war. It was Churchill that started the fire bombing of civilian areas without any reason.
Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by ConservativeAwakening
The Holocaust would never have happened if it weren't for Churchill? Reread history. If anything it was the results of world war one that caused ww2 if anything.edit on 14-1-2013 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Did he inevitably escalate the situation in Europe to the point of actually somewhat causing ww2?
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by ConservativeAwakening
The Holocaust would never have happened if it weren't for Churchill? Reread history. If anything it was the results of world war one that caused ww2 if anything.edit on 14-1-2013 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)
The Nazis never could have had the means to operate the Holocaust of France and Britain hadn't declared war against Germany. Remember, Germany didn't declare war against anybody, if was france and england that radically forced Europe into a confrontation that could have ended without war, and without European Jewry eliminated.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by primus2012
They entered the war under Chamberlain and not Churchill methinks.
true, but Churchill nevertheless was pivotal in the English position towards Germany and Hitler. Churchill was a radical, much like Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. But he isn't remembered as such, because he won the war. It was Churchill that started the fire bombing of civilian areas without any reason.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Did he inevitably escalate the situation in Europe to the point of actually somewhat causing ww2?
I suggest you do some research, Germany started invading Poland 1/9/1939, on the 3/9/1939 Churchill was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty and a member of the War Cabinet. It was not until 10/5/1940 that Churchill was appointed PM.
So he did not "escalate the situation in Europe", Germany did that by invading Poland.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by primus2012
They entered the war under Chamberlain and not Churchill methinks.
true, but Churchill nevertheless was pivotal in the English position towards Germany and Hitler. Churchill was a radical, much like Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. But he isn't remembered as such, because he won the war. It was Churchill that started the fire bombing of civilian areas without any reason.
Without any reason..with the exception of the whole war thing at their doorsteps.
German people fueled the Nazi war machine. Either willingly or not, the civilians were fair game in that war given every aspect of the country was a machine of war. Brutal, but wars are.
Hitler didn't even get elected mind you..he took control of Germany after false flag ops on the german people...there isn't really much wiggle room for who was in the right for WW2. WW1, you can split hairs, but WW2 was pretty black and white. Was there more to it than history books teach us? of course..but that does not therefore invalidate what history does discuss.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Did he inevitably escalate the situation in Europe to the point of actually somewhat causing ww2?
I suggest you do some research, Germany started invading Poland 1/9/1939, on the 3/9/1939 Churchill was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty and a member of the War Cabinet. It was not until 10/5/1940 that Churchill was appointed PM.
So he did not "escalate the situation in Europe", Germany did that by invading Poland.
you're absolutely right. BUT remember this, Germany did not declare war against anybody. People seem to forget that. Germany didn't even declare war against Poland because they didn't see their invasion of Poland as a war, they saw it as a justification against the border cruelties happening every day between Germany and Poland. And I wasn't referring to an escalation early on, I meant after the invasion, Churchill pretty much WANTED war against Germany, whereas the Nazis weren't even thinking about war funny enough.