Cigarettes - With or Without Filters?

My grandfather fought in WW2, I mean he was in the mud with the Japanese, face to face.

He took all their vaccines. He followed orders.
And he smoked A LOT of cigarettes in his 86 yrs on Earth.

He brushed his teeth with baking soda since the 1920s, he had a bit of Vodka nearly every day to thin his blood, he did bicarbonate sodas (baking soda w/ warm water) every week, sat in a chair most of his elderly years, and he smoked 2-3 packs of Camel non filters EVERY DAY for 60-65 YEARS!

He died at 86 of complications with the Flu. He did not have Emphysema or Cancers.

Where was his cancer from smoking Camel non filters for over 6 decades?

Was it "genes" or "luck".... or a combo of the 2?
Or, is it a binary combination of smoking + an X factor that creates Cancers?

I smoke 2 packs a day, filtered, and my lungs are fine, after 25 years (yikes) of daily smoking.

I've heard filters contain fiber glass and cause most of smokers' problems... is this true?

Should I go to non filter for longevity?

I really don't know what to do, I'd appreciate hearing the experience of your grand parents and yourselves.

Thanks.

Could be partially genes, I'm leaning towards total luck. I wouldn't take the chance if I were you.

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My grandmother has smoked for 72 years and is still at it. She has smoked filtered cigarettes for as long as I can remember. I will ask her about none filtered. Btw, no cancer or known lung problems...

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My theory, based on yrs of research and experience, is that it's a combo effect... not of luck and genes, but of combinations of "elements", like cigarettes AND soda, or cigarettes AND beer, etc.

I believe it has something to do with what you combine with smoking that creates the final factors in cancer formations. He should have had lung cancer, he smoked in a heavily fluoridated area, he ate foods with preservatives, he took marine corps vaccines in the 30s-40s, etc.

My parents' generation beneath him, smoked less if at all, and didn't live past 66 yrs of age.

I think we are all noticing our grandparents out living their children, why is that?
Cell phones + cigarettes? I'm looking for the X factors.

Well the less people dying from cigarettes the better, but the fact still remains that over 500,000 die per year due to it. Genes, diet, & exercise also affect the outcome. In any case it's a roll of the dice.

People should just start switching to e-cigs (many already are).

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I read something about e-cigs being bad for you too. Why can't they just leave smokers alone?

I used to smoke cigarettes. I then swopped to rolling my own with filters. About two years ago I stopped rolling with filters. Besides the fact I had run out of filters and just couldn't be bothered to go out and get some, I figured all the 'old timers' rolled their own without filters.

I can report that within a week there was a huge improvement in my lung capacity, and that horrible smokers cough, although mine was just the start of it had disappeared altogether. I was already aware of all the chemical additives they add both to the tobacco and filters of 'packet' fags, so it made sense to me to go 'au naturel' as possible.

Hope this helps
Rainbows
Jane

I don't have a reply to the OP question. That said I may be able to offer some insight.

I've smoked for about 16 years. I started with your everyday filtered cig. Smoked those for maybe 4 years then switched to RYO (Roll Your Own) cigs. I rolled and smoked unfiltered cigs for years and years. It would be interspersed with bought packs from time to time. At one point the unfiltered cigs became to much for me to smoke regularly. So I started rolling filtered cigs as a less harmful alternative. I did that until, lets see, around Jan 21, 2009 when there was a large tax imposed on RYO cigarette tobacco. After that I changed tax classes to pipe tobacco and smoked that up until recently.

Now, I am using an Ecig. After some struggle I am now at near zero tobacco smoking. An occasional cig while drinking with friends. There are times where I have quit smoking for extended periods and it was never a pleasant experience. I have also had an Ecig for over a year and a half. I have gone from smoking less than a pack a day to up to around 3 packs, varying enormously many times throughout my life as a smoker.

The reason for this backstory is to lay some background for my insights of smoking.

My experience from those years of smoking and vaporizing (The Ecig), has taught me a fair amount about how smoke and vaporizing affect me. The RYO unfiltered cigs are strong and deliver a lot of nicotine. They are harsh and deliver a very large amount of tar into your lungs, and anything else around. The RYO filtered cigs vary a good amount depending on your tobacco and filter choice. The RYO cigarette tobacco is a softer smoke than the RYO pipe tobacco.

There are many factors in your choices about how and what (still talking only tobacco) to smoke that change how the smoke affects you and makes you feel. All in all, I feel much healthier not using cigs and only using an Ecig. The Ecig though is not near perfect. It still makes my lungs hurt sometimes. It still can make me cough. I think it causes lung damage, just not near as much as real cigs do.

To summarize. Cigs and Ecigs are bad for you. Cigs are just much worse in general and very much specifically so when talking about unfiltered cigs.


Note that this is just my opinion based on my experiences. Your mileage may vary.

Cigarretes are not good, with or without filter.

Actually, the fact that they put a filter in the cigarretes got to mean something.

Soon or later, one way or another,.... you'll pay the toll.

To blame on the filter, seems to be an smoker excuse to avoid quitting.

Finally, search what tobaco companies do with your money, you might find they use it against yourself.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
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I read something about e-cigs being bad for you too. Why can't they just leave smokers alone?

Do the research. Anyway I wasn't saying that e-cigs are good for you; but I'm pretty sure real cigarettes are much worse. Compare the number of chemical/toxins in smoking to the vaporizing with e-cigs.

"Traditional cigarettes have over 400 approved ingredients. When a cigarette is burned, those ingredients undergo a state change and resulting chemical reaction. Therefore, the combustion process creates and releases about 4,000 chemicals.

Typical e-cigarette juices have about 7 or 8 ingredients. These include PG and/or VG, Nicotine, Distilled Water, Nicotine, and Flavorings. (I'm looking at the ingredient list on my bottle of JC juice.) And since there is no combustion, there should be no additional chemicals created. You're just vaporizing a liquid, not changing the state of matter. How Many Chemicals in E-Cigarettes

So not only do e-cigs contain the minimal chemicals that you need to satiate your nicotine craving, they also don't produce nearly as many toxins, or any tars. If you've ever seen photos of a smokers lungs you'd know exactly what the smoke does. Choosing that over vapors honestly seems insane.

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are you talking about the photos of smokers lungs that are black with tar? check the facts - they are usually either a miners lungs (coal dust) or cancer ridden. they use smokers lungs for transplants!

Ecigs use the same base chemical as asthma inhalers. they both carry their 'drug' on the same medium (that's for PG ecigs ones anyway)

so to say ecigs are harmful is a *very big* misnomer.....

oh, and the EU are moving to effectively ban them anyway

Same with my grandpa, as a child he worked in a coal mine then when world war 2 rolled around he joined the navy after than he worked in a metal shop in the days without protective gear or respirators all the while smoking 2-3 packs a day and drank like a fish. lived to 88, died from a fall while putting up a birdhouse.

Originally posted by Gbriggs
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are you talking about the photos of smokers lungs that are black with tar? check the facts - they are usually either a miners lungs (coal dust) or cancer ridden. they use smokers lungs for transplants!

oh, and the EU are moving to effectively ban them anyway

I was making a point. Inhaling all that tar on a daily basis, as well as god knows how many carcinogens, is something I would not treat my lungs to --- especially if vaporizing was an alternative (e-cigs).

Are they really trying to pass a ban?... Insane power-hungry scumbags... that's beyond sickening.

Same with my grandparents, both in their mid 80s, been smoking since 14, no cancer, no health issues at all.

Rolling tobacco contains less chemicals than pre rolled filtered ones. Roll ups go out on their own if you dont smoke them..pre rolled will burn out in a couple of minutes. I think filtered, pre rolled cigarettes contain far more chemicals than standard rolling tobacco.

I think cancer is more to do with diet to be honest, and genes.

Originally posted by Raelsatu

I was making a point. Inhaling all that tar on a daily basis, as well as god knows how many carcinogens, is something I would not treat my lungs to --- especially if vaporizing was an alternative (e-cigs).

Are they really trying to pass a ban?... Insane power-hungry scumbags... that's beyond sickening.

Both me and my OH switched from RYO with filters in November to Ecigs and we've not looked back since. I've got my sense of smell and taste back and I had a slight wheeze which has now gone. overall I feel a lot better!

but yep, the EU are trying to classify ecigs as a MEDICINAL product, with no overlap time. they could be effectively be banned this year if the directive is brought in unamended and all ecigs forced to prove a medical use before they are allowed on the market.

EU draft Tobacco Products Directive: who to write to and what to say (a short guide)

(a link to a blog, but it gives you an idea of what they're doing)

it's another drugs war, but this one is over the nicotine supply. it's between the old firm (big tobacco, the smallish ecig companies and us) and big pharma and the paid for quangos and charities!!!

Originally posted by Gbriggs

Both me and my OH switched from RYO with filters in November to Ecigs and we've not looked back since. I've got my sense of smell and taste back and I had a slight wheeze which has now gone. overall I feel a lot better!

but yep, the EU are trying to classify ecigs as a MEDICINAL product, with no overlap time. they could be effectively be banned this year if the directive is brought in unamended and all ecigs forced to prove a medical use before they are allowed on the market.

That's great to hear. My younger brother was addicted to smoking for 3 years, but he just recently switched to e-cigs & it's working wonders.

It's insane that they'll allow smokable tobacco but ban something under the pretense of it being "medical". Not any of their damn business whether or not it's medical. The drug war as it is, is already an utter failure & an abuse of human rights. Yet these demented corporate psychopaths continue to crank it up.... It truly is disgusting.

Cigarettes are mutagens. They cause mutations in our DNA sequence.

For more information on mutation and how it works:
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Mutation is not good or bad, it is random. For information on how cancer arises from mutations:
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(Sorry, I don't know what the etiquette is here for information you've already posted. In this case, I'd just copy the first post in its entirety and the bottom half of the second post verbatim.)

In a nutshell, your entire life is a six-shooter. Don't exercise? +1 bullet. Don't eat healthy foods? +1 bullet. Smoke? +1 bullet.

Some people are more likely to be affected by certain factors, just like you see people who eat nothing but pizza all day every day and stay 120 lbs dripping wet. It seems like you have a genetic resistance in you family re: smoking.

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