Extraterrestrial (microbial) life found in meteorite

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

So tell me, where did the "seed" that brought life here come from?

From somewhere else.

But that life needed to start somewhere, also.

If the ultimate origin of that life was through some sort of abiogenesis (life emerging from non-life) on another planet, then why couldn't life Earth also have undergone an abiogenesis on Earth?

You pointed out earlier that a tree comes from a seed, and that seed came from another tree, and so on and so on...and if we keep looking back, we would see where that seed came from, and it could have come from outer space.

I suppose that is possible, but it is also possible to look back long enough ago to find the first chemical reaction that replicated itself (that's basically what life is, so that could be the first life). However, that first-time self replicating chemical process could have originated on earth from the combination of previously NON-self replicating reactions (i.e., abiogenesis).

edit on 1/14/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

That is what I said in my post. He doesn't want to address that.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

Look at a human egg. Look at the womb. How humans divide is the most complex "bio genesis" there is. That is encoded in the DNA of every human cell. About as close to a master plan as it gets. By design. Not random mutation over "bazillnia". If you want to make more life you have to start with life.

I know I'm not doing a very good job of explaining it.

So now you are talking ID. So I will say God did it. It did not come from elsewhere.

reply to post by MCL1150

For the truth go here - The Church's position on Maria Valtorta's private meditations

The writings of Maria Valtorta are false - contrived meanderings of a possessed female posing as a mystic seer. There are many like her and the Catholic Church has uncovered all of them as the frauds that they really are. These people are inimical to the Catholic faith and are rightfully condemned.

On December 16, 1959, the Congregation of the Holy Office ordered the 4-volume work entitled "The Poem of the Man-God" placed on the Index of Forbidden Books.

Pope John XXIII approved the decree and directed that the condemnation be published. The decree was then promulgated by the Holy Office on January 5, 1960.

The Vatican's newspaper "L'Osservatore Romano", on the following day, published an article summarizing the investigations of the cardinals of the Holy Office who were responsible for protecting the faithful in matters of faith and morals. It should be noted that none of Maria Valtorta's works have been approved by the Church.

On June 14, 1966, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith abrogated the Index of Forbidden Books. Although the Index was abolished in 1966, the censure and prohibition of books already on the Index still retain their validity as to the moral law which totally forbids the dilution of faith and morals.

The publishers who have re-printed Maria Valtorta's works have been deceiving the Catholic faithful in printing and distributing these condemned works to a devout, but unsuspecting Catholic faithful. They have done so despite the efforts of the highest Church authorities to warn the faithful that the moral authority represented by the condemnation on the Index of Forbidden Books remains even today, and that the works of Maria Valtorta should be avoided by sincere and conscientious Catholics.

We would like to sincerely urge you to consider the fact that the works of Maria Valtorta have been condemned by the Church as unreliable and spiritually harmful accounts of the life of Jesus and His Mother. Catholics wanting to know more about both should spend their time reading the Gospels or a good life of Christ.

sorry i skipped a few replys there but sure i read on sat someone saying that their bookie wouldn,t take a bet on life being found elsewhere in 2013.......coincidence?

Suppose this is real, that there is a fossilized algae on a rock that fell from the sky. Who says this rock didn't come, well, from Earth? As far as I know Earth has been hit by asteroids plenty of times, sending big chunks of it into space.. Maybe one of them just happened to return?

This is just one big example of people coming to conclusions before thinking everything through. It's not science, it's guessing.

Edit to say, avatar01 beat me to it (actually more like a prediction that came true), it's difficult to read so many pages when life is too short. I believe there is life elsewhere but don't believe it has reached Earth. It's not about being scared of the thought, it's about the truth, simple as that..

Disregarding the earlier posts about the source being less than reputable, does anyone else think that someone with news such as this would purposefully forgo usual scientific routes to avoid it being drowned out by naysayers because of the subject matter. Just a thought.

reply to post by TommyTuesday

If it's valid the naysayers won't be able to shoot it down. That's the whole idea.

Foregoing more respected journals is not a very good way to garner respect.

On the other hand, foregoing established peer reviewed venues in favor of your own journal does make it much easier to disseminate your discovery among those who are not concerned with such trivialities even though it adds nothing to credibility.

Give it a week or so. The reviews will roll in. I wonder if the presumed meteorite will be made available for others to examine.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JayinAR

 

I can say for sure is there is no question that that is a biological find

You're an expert, huh?
It leaves us waiting for some real experts to have a look at it. Of course, the "journal" will probably just reject any criticism just as they did of Hoover's "find".

Yes, and apparently you are too......ON EVERYTHING.
How bout we just let the experts find what they find and not be so quick to assume or cast judgement on these scientists.


Oh btw "Phage"
He's a question for ya,

Are you a scientist?
What kind prey tell?

'Nuff said.

reply to post by Screwed

I'm more than willing to hear what the experts have to say. I'm really interested to see if the meteorite is made available for the experts to examine.


I'm not the topic of the thread. Are you?

reply to post by TommyTuesday

Qoes anyone else think that someone with news such as this would purposefully forgo usual scientific routes to avoid it being drowned out by naysayers because of the subject matter?

Only if they were idiots. Publishing your 'scientific study' in fringe or irrelevant media is the equivalent of wearing a black T-shirt saying 'I'M A CRANK' on it in big yellow letters.

reply to post by Astyanax

But it's so much easier if it's your own journal.
12 days from recovery of the presumed meteorite to publication. That must be some kind of record.

Originally posted by LeLeu
So is the red rain biological in form?
Raining aliens?

At least they were vaporized upon entry

Originally posted by LeLeu
So is the red rain biological in form?
Raining aliens?

At least they were vaporized upon entry

Odds are an asteroid hit Earth a few million years ago, and shot a little piece of Earth at thousands of miles per hour that was occupied by Diatoms here, and the meteorite finally made its way back....
hate to burst your bubble.

Originally posted by Ghost375
Odds are an asteroid hit Earth a few million years ago, and shot a little piece of Earth at thousands of miles per hour that was occupied by Diatoms here, and the meteorite finally made its way back....
hate to burst your bubble.

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It seems likely, but it can go either way. We will have to wait to see what they say down the road. It blew my mind thinking that could be the first real image of an ET (in a way).

I'm not saying it was aliens... But it was aliens.

Originally posted by Ghost375
Odds are an asteroid hit Earth a few million years ago, and shot a little piece of Earth at thousands of miles per hour that was occupied by Diatoms here, and the meteorite finally made its way back....
hate to burst your bubble.

edit on 15-1-2013 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)

And the meteorite finally made its way back, conveniently leaving the rest of the debris in orbit. I doubt it.

Chandra Wickramasinghe told a correspondent: “”I think the discovery of an unequivocal microbial structure such as a diatom deeply trapped in the rock matrix proves beyond doubt that this life existed in the parent comet from which the meteorite was derived. The highly intricate and woven patterns on the outer shells of diatoms are impossible to generate by any other process than biology. This could ultimately turn out to be the most important scientific discovery in 500 years. The cosmic ancestry of humans becomes ever more securely established.”

“People might try to say that what we found were terrestrial contaminants. Contamination after landing on Earth is ruled out absolutely because of the way the diatoms are woven between the rock matrix. In any case we found many diatom types that are not known to be present on the soil where the meteorite landed.”

The last statement indicates that the scientists have already eliminated the possibility of contamination.

reply to post by Itaska


Nope you're wrong, check the list today. The Church remove it from that "LIST", the Virgin Mary at Medjugorje also said: it's OK to read "The Work"! in the 50's for whatever reason their was a group within the Church who went to great lenghts to over throw Pope Pius XII decision and drag many people with them. But Pope Pius XII still have the final word as head of the Church. Mother Theresa always carry "Poem of the Man~God" books where ever she went!
Here's a short video to get to the point by Bishop Danalak, its about 3mins.
www.youtube.com...

Here is a video containing TV news coverage of the story:
www.youtube.com...#!

reply to post by micpsi

And the meteorite finally made its way back, conveniently leaving the rest of the debris in orbit. I doubt it

The debris would have started falling immediately after the asteroid strike and probably would continue for many many years after the present. Some debris would have not achieved orbital velocity, that would have been the first to fall. Other pieces would be in orbit until acted upon by other forces.... such as collisions with other debris.