How Soon Will The Rapture Take Place ?

Fyersfan, take a hike.
Your arguement holds no water, and further, all you post is "Your Personal Interpretation"

You have not posted any scriptures that prove anything, all you have posted is your misquided interpretation which is erroneous to say the least.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Fyersfan, take a hike.

Pathetic and immature.

More of that good Christian attitude that Christ called for
during the Sermon on the Mount I suppose -

You have not posted any scriptures that prove anything

Guess you didn't bother to read all of what was posted on page
3 of this thread, did you. Nope. Didn't think so. The fantasy of
'rapture' isn't there. Frankly, no one who believes in 'rapture'
has ever been able to post anything that proves it exhists ...
that's you included. It's up to you (very few) Christians who
have bought into the rapture notion to prove it to the rest of
the 2 billion Christians that you are right. So far ... none of
you have.

all you have posted is your misquided interpretation
which is erroneous to say the least.

Ah yes, more radical fundie - 'if you don't believe exactly like I believe
and read the bible exactly like I do then you are wrong and you are
misguided and you are going to hell so take a hike because I can't
handle the truth and I want an easy out with a fake notion called
'rapture' made up by Darby in the 1800's'... crap.

Jesus Prayed – ‘I do not ask that you take them out of the world but that
you keep them from the evil one’ – John 17:15

Those who ‘suffer with Him (for His sake) through the terrors of the last
days will at that time ‘also be glorified with Him’ (Romans 8:17)

the one ‘who endures to the end will be saved”
(Matthew 24:13; see also 10:22)

You are doing Christianity more harm than good with that attitude
of yours. If you wish to believe in the rapture fantasy -
have at it. But when the crap hits the fan, those who think they
are special and are getting an easy ticket out will have their faith
shaken when they are still here with the rest of us Christians -
'enduring to the end' (CHRIST's words, not mine).

'Rapture' is a dangerous, satanic, fantasy. But what the heck ...
dream on, if that's what keeps you warm at night.



[edit on 9/16/2005 by FlyersFan]

What Folly, we shall soon see who is wrong, as the natural disasters continue to increase , the day of the Lord gets closer.

I have proven my point, if you refuse to listen you will never be able to tell the Lord you did not know, when you stand before him.

Keep on believing as you do, you will be here when the Beast arrives, let's see who laughs then !

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I have proven my point

No you haven't. You have merely given your opinion base on your preferred interpretation of scriptures. No-one here is dealing with facts. Facts are verifiable.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Keep on believing as you do, you will be here when the Beast arrives, let's see who laughs then !

You all keep arguing amongst yourselves. Until the "beast" arrives, I'm the one laughing. I'm willing to wager as much as you like that I'll be laughing about it until I die. I'm quite confident that either I, or my heirs will be the benificiaries. Any takers?

Every scrap and shred of "evidence" that supports the rapture is merely a misinterpretation of the Bible.

Sorry folks, ain't no rapture - at least not in the context of the supporters of the idea as expressed in this thread or, really, not at all.

Bad Bible-reading - read more carefully, please.

P.S. In case of rapture, can I have your car?

Originally posted by Al Davison
P.S. In case of rapture, can I have your car?

More importantly, would anyone like to purchase rapture insurance for loved ones left behind?

lol @ spamandham.

all i have to say is this. imhop the most important quality of a human being is wisdom. because if a man/woman is wise he/she will show compassion. with compassion comes humility. when a man/woman lacks any of those qualities compassion or humility he/she is not truely wise and thus cannot be a prophet. prophets are the holders of wisdom and truth.

with all do respect LDP there is a reason why i do not agree with your statements, it is simply on biblical grounds...proverbs 11:12
A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of understanding holds his tongue.

wisdom=understanding

so i guess i ask you, is it foolish of me to question (not judge) whether a man has understanding using the basis of that verse?

Kind Regards,
DigitalGrl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
if you refuse to listen you will never be able to tell the
Lord you did not know, when you stand before him.

So getting to heaven is now contingent upon believing that there
will be a rapture? Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. So considering that
there are 6 billion people on the planet, and 2 billion of them are
christian ... only a two hundred thousand or so will actually make
it to heaven because they believe in the rapture?

You should listen to yourself.

Keep on believing as you do, you will
be here when the Beast arrives, let's see who laughs then !

Those who believe in the rapture will be stuck here with the rest of
us. We have better sense than to laugh at you poor souls who are
so deluded into thinking that you are special and that God will rescue
you from difficulties. He has never done that for his saints in the past
and he won't be doing it in the future. You may be a sicko who would
laugh at people who are in pain, but I for one do not find joy at the
thought of people facing tribulation. I hope your faith can handle being
left here with the rest of Christianity, since it's a faith based on a LIE,
the lie of the rapture cult.

Once again -

Jesus Prayed – ‘I do not ask that you take them out of the world but that
you keep them from the evil one’ – John 17:15

Those who ‘suffer with Him (for His sake) through the terrors of the last
days will at that time ‘also be glorified with Him’ (Romans 8:17)

the one ‘who endures to the end will be saved”
(Matthew 24:13; see also 10:22)


[edit on 9/28/2005 by FlyersFan]

2Pet 3:3 knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

mod edit:

In the future please do not quote so much text, particularly without commentary.

thankies.

[edit on 3-10-2005 by parrhesia]

LastDay .... that's pathetic.

All those posts are saying is (to paraphrase) woe to those who
live ungodly lives because they don't believe in God and don't believe
that Christ will have His Second Coming to judge the living and
the dead. Christians believe that Christ will come back.
That's a very basic Christian belief.

Those say NOTHING about going to hell because you don't believe
in a so called 'rapture'.

Oh .. and what's REALLY pathetic is that you underlined certain
phrases in judgement of the rest of us Christians. Newsflash
LastDay ... judge not lest ye be judged. And to underline that
we are running after our own lusts and not believing He will
come in Glory at his Second Coming all because we have
correctly read scripture and don't believe in a fairytale
rapture ....

So no Lastday .. people aren't running after their own lusts and
they aren't going to hell because they don't believe in a
Rapture. :shk:

Belief in a 'rapture' isn't what saves a soul.
Disbelief in a 'rapture' doesn't mean people are 'chasing their lusts'.
Get thee to a bible reading class. :shk:



[edit on 10/1/2005 by FlyersFan]

You are the one that does not understand the time that we are living in, those scriptures clearly state the condition of the world today. They confirm that the day of the Lord is near.

You are free to believe whatever you want, your beliefs however do not change the truth that there will be a "Catching Up" of the saints prior to the Lords return "DOWN" to the earth.

I posted them as "Judgement" against you, now that you have read them you are "Without Excuse" You can never say you were not warned, for I warned you and you refused to listen.

The blood will not be required at my hand for you were forewarned. I would further warn you that if you continue to spread the false doctrine that you do, God will hold you accountable for the souls you mislead.

This is the time of the "Judgement Beginning At The House Of The Lord"
For the souls that you mislead into thinking that they still have a lot of time left before the return of the Lord, "Their Blood Will Be Required At Your Hand"

Help yourself, continue to spread false doctrine, you will be held accountable, you had better be sure you are correct for you have been warned, whether you accept it or not.
The Lord shall bear witness to this warning so that you will be without excuse when you stand before him.

LDP,

exactly what do you propose the punishment will be that will hold those accountable for not believing in the rapture hypothesis?
The book of John clearly states what is expected of someone to be a christian. "whoever believes and is baptised...."
what is a good work to you and a good work to someone else is all based on perspective....that is why imhop we should leave the casting of judgment of someones actions to one that is a bit more qualified than any of us.

yes the times we live in arent great, and things are escalating...but evaluating a mans heart is not your responisibility.


Kind Regards,
digitalgrl

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
You are the one that does not understand the time that we are living in, those scriptures clearly state the condition of the world today. They confirm that the day of the Lord is near.

Uh ... no, I DO understand the times we are living in. Disbelief in a
'rapture' doesn't mean that someone doesn't understand the
condition of the world or that Christ is coming back. YOU don't
understand that. We are all very capable of seeing that the
stage is set for the second coming ... WITHOUT believing in the
nonbiblical notion of a Rapture. Disbelief in a rapture does not
equate with a disbelief in a second coming. Try ... REALLY try ...
to understand that.

your beliefs however do not change the truth

Right back atchya'. YOUR unbiblical beliefs do not change the truth
that the bible does not say that there will be a rapture and the bible
does not say that you must believe in a rapture to be saved.

I posted them as "Judgement" against you

How unchristian of you to judge anyone. It would be very easy
to say that all the scripture quotes that have been posted that
show that there is NO rapture are in judgement against YOU.
But that would be lowering to your level of unchristian behavior.
So we won't do that.

now that you have read them you are "Without Excuse"
You can never say you were not warned, for I warned you and
you refused to listen.

Right back at you again. Now that you have read the scripture
posts that firmly show NO RAPTURE then you are without excuse
and you can not say that you weren't warned, for we all warned
you and you refused to listen.

But be of good cheer... belief or disbelief in Rapture is meaningless.
It has nothing to do with salvation - except for the fact that those
who believe in a Rapture aren't preparing for tribulations and could
easily loose their faith when the crap hits the fan - which could be
very soon.

I would further warn you that if you continue to spread the
false doctrine that you do, God will hold you accountable for the souls
you mislead.

And right back at you for a third time. You keep shouting that we all
are spreading 'false doctrine' by not believing in a non-biblical rapture
notion. HA! Hey buddy, the only one preaching extra-biblical false
doctrines is you. You have failed to show that rapture exhists in the
bible.

you will be held accountable, you had better be sure you are
correct for you have been warned, whether you accept it or not.
The Lord shall bear witness to this warning so that you will be without
excuse when you stand before him.

Right back at you for a fourth time. The more you speak the more I
am convinced that you are in a cult. An end times fundamentalist cult.
You produce 'threats' of divine punishment because we all can read the
bible and clearly see that 'rapture' isn't there ... rapture that has no
bearing on salvation and yet you continue to try to tie it to salvation. :shk:
Is this what your keepers are spoon feeding you? Using threats of
God's wrath upon you to keep you in line to their non-biblical notions?
Lemme' guess .... you are a disciple of tribfarces.com??

My advice to you is to get out of that cult. Make the break. Don't let
them scare you with 'if you don't believe in a rapture you are going to
hell' ... because that simply isn't true. We all can see the stage is set
for Christ's Second Coming. We can believe in a Second Coming
WITHOUT rapture and still be very good christians. Go get some fresh air.
Get thee to a psychologist who specializes in detoxing from cults.



[edit on 10/4/2005 by FlyersFan]

What part don't you understand ? And just how hard of understanding are you?

You have eyes and see not !

A seven year old can understand this !

For the 50th time !
The word rapture is not in the Bible, but it refers to the event written in 1Thess 4,

the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort F11 one another with these words.

What part of that verse do you not understand, it clearly states that we will be "Caught Up" and that we will "Meet The Lord In The Air"
If Jesus was returning down to the earth at that time why would we be "Caught Up" ?

The verse also states that we should "Comfort" one another with these words. The coming Rapture of the Church brings "Comfort" to those that have been "Fighting The Good Fight Of Faith", Knowing that this present war will be over and that we will be with the Lord forevermore.

For anyone to undermine the signifigance of the Rapture and our need to "Cleanse" ourselves in preparation for this event shows a lack of spiritual wisdom and devine insight. It also shows a "Shallowness Of Spirit" and a "Carnal Nature"

There is no mention whatsoever in 1Thess 4 that the Lord would return "Down" to the earth with the "Armies Of Heaven" and judge the nations of the earth and cast the Beast and his followers into the Lake Of Fire.
Anyone suggesting this is guilty of "Adding To The Word"
Clearly in the Book of Revelations it states that the Lord will come "Down" to the earth, not "Meet In The Air" as he does in 1Thess 4.

This is a totally different event:

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness

he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:

and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,

Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.

These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

At the Rapture of the Church we "Meet The Lord In The Air" he does not come down to the earth, there are no armies with him, there is no "Warfare" mentioned, no one is cast into the lake and this event brings "Comfort To The Saints" The same cannot be said of the
"Second Coming",

The Lord comes with the armies of Heaven "Down" to the earth, there will be a "Great War" The Beast and his armies against the Lord and his armies.

The Beast will be defeated and cast into the Lake Of Fire, along with the False Prophet and their armies will be destroyed.

Clearly these verses confirm your "ERROR"
One event takes place in the "Air" and is "Comforting" for saints to think about,
the other takes place "Down" on the earth and is God's Judgement.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
What part don't you understand ? And just how hard of understanding
are you? You have eyes and see not ! A seven year old can understand
this !

And of course ... right back at you again.

All those misinterpretations of yours have been addressed over
and over for the past 6 pages. You have been debunked. But
go ahead and wallow in your self-righteous muck if it helps you
sleep at night. Discussion with you is useless. Only through the
Grace of God will you be free of this evil oppression that holds
your soul. Salvation doesn't require rapture belief. It's that
simple. You are in my prayers. Bu-bye now. :shk:

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
What part don't you understand ? And just how hard of understanding are you?
You have eyes and see not !
A seven year old can understand this !

what i cant understand is the verses you are quoting are in 1thessolonians chapter 4. PAUL SPECIFICALLY WROTE 2thessolonians chapter 2 TO ADDRESS CONFUSION over 1thess4. THIS IS WHAT PAUL SAID

The Bible (KJV)
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

as far as the cloud (hebrews 12:1) and the air, it does mention that in revelations 14. it also mentions it in john 3 (the most basic chapter in the whole bible). As the wind listeth, so are those that are born of the spirit (paraphrased). But above all PAULS OWN INTERPRETATATION of what HE WROTE should stand above some 1830 apostasy.

NuTroll - another interesting thing that we have discussed over
the past 6 pages on those verses .... the CUSTOM of that day was
that when a person of importance or royalty was coming to town
then the people of the town would go out and meet him before
he came and escort him into town with great joy. Scripture is
speaking of Christ's Second Coming when he comes to
judge the living and the dead, and who ever wrote that particular
scripture passage was describing the custom of the day that
people would go out and greet the all-important (royalty)
Christ and escort him. It was the CUSTOM and it made it into
scripture. People misinterpret it as a prophecy of a secret second
coming ... a secret rapture ... and that would make his real coming
into a third coming... :shk: But the history of the people
writing that passage and their customs were flavoring what they
were writing. That's how 'going to greet Christ' got into scripture.
No rapture. No big easy-out ticket for the good. It's just a custom
that transposed into their writing.

Jesus Prayed – ‘I do not ask that you take them out of the world but that
you keep them from the evil one’ – John 17:15

Those who ‘suffer with Him (for His sake) through the terrors of the last
days will at that time ‘also be glorified with Him’ (Romans 8:17)

the one ‘who endures to the end will be saved”
(Matthew 24:13; see also 10:22)



[edit on 10/5/2005 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by NuTroll
But above all PAULS OWN INTERPRETATATION of what
HE WROTE should stand above some 1830 apostasy.

Here's the history of the 1830 apostasy - John Nelson Darby -
failed Angelican Priest and creator of the Rapture Cult .

www.catholic.com...

excerpt -

Most people who hold dispensational beliefs assume they are based in the
Bible and have ancient roots. But dispensationalism has been around less
than 200 years. The father of dispensationalism is John Nelson Darby, a
Protestant Irish lawyer who left his successful practice to become an
Anglican priest. Born in 1800, Darby was a contemporary of John Henry
Newman, the famous leader of the Anglican Oxford movement in the
1830s. Darby's studies of Scripture-coupled with a disenchantment with
mainstream Christian churches-led him to develop the idea of a "true
church" and the apostasy of the established churches ...

In 1827 Darby left the Anglican priesthood and by 1831 was among the
leaders of the Plymouth Brethren, a non-denominational movement which
denounced mainline Christianity. He began to teach that the true church
would need to be removed from the earth in order to make way for the
completion of God's dealings with the Jews. He named this secret removal
of the church the Rapture. This belief was something completely new in
Christianity. No previous Christian, neither Catholic nor Protestant, had
ever proposed or taught such an thing.



[edit on 10/5/2005 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
What part don't you understand ? And just how hard of understanding
are you? You have eyes and see not ! A seven year old can understand
this !

And of course ... right back at you again.

All those misinterpretations of yours have been addressed over
and over for the past 6 pages. You have been debunked. But
go ahead and wallow in your self-righteous muck if it helps you
sleep at night. Discussion with you is useless. Only through the
Grace of God will you be free of this evil self righteous oppression
that holds your soul. There is no room for the Holy Spirit when
your ego takes up so much room. Salvation doesn't require
rapture belief. It's that simple. You are in my prayers.
Bu-bye now. :shk:

jesus is coming, let's all look busy...


um, hi jesus, we were just worshipping you

Jesus: You guys are called crackers cause you crack me up

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ok, so i'm an ex-catholic, now buddhist, for reasons of my own
however, i feel like i need to weigh in on this

quit looking for a great deciever, a conspiracy, or any other signs of the end

when people look for the end they see it coming in their lifetime, and truth be told, you can't predict anything that will ever happen at any time with any amount of accuracy

the signs that are always given for THE end are applicable to any period of recorded history

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side note: stop looking for the devil in all places, because the only devil mentioned in the bible is the one who attempts to be god. those who wish to be better than their fellow man through religion (or in some cases lack of) become no better than beelzebub. instead of waiting for something to happen try making the world a better place through charity work that no logical human could find objectionable: feeding the hungry, helping the homeless, aged, or disadvantaged, or simply by helping someone pick up a stack of paper they dropped.