US government ultimate goal...do you know what is? I don't...

The government doesn't have ideas, ideals, or goals, people do.

So you gotta ask what do the people who have high spheres of influence within the political realm have ideas, ideals, and goals towards?

If you take in a lot of tidbits from the UN, Agenda21, and politics in general, you can see that there's a lot of damage control at the moment, but efforts are still being made to create a sustainable, and more integrated world.

It seems there are several main factors at play at once. The banking institution and their policies are obviously a stranglehold to the neck of both sustainability, and integration. Then you have the unprecedented rate of growth in technological advances. Last you have outdated forms of government which don't adequately address dynamic, global problems as they are effectively.

There is certainly a need for a "leveling up" for our species to keep things going smoothly in the decades to come. People aren't entirely sure how that can be done. I see inherent flaw in attempting to force the whole species to do anything at all. If you are merely grouping people, I can see how it could work. If you are attempting to go after everybody, it makes no sense. The only solution is a community in anarchy. I think that's a long way out.

So it seems the next level up won't be global, but the forming of unions. We will have a major conflict that involves the whole globe. Enough chaos from an event will allow the necessary energy to form unions out of a perceived necessity. I don't know the event. Not sure it can be planned out, either.

Unions will compete economically, and the new frontier "space" will be in the process of forming a new mega-industry that empowers our species to eventually unite and spread our seed throughout the galaxy.

So it seems that we have maybe 5 years or so before the crisis which leads the way to unions being formed starts to kick off. From that point, it's maybe a generation before we get our act together and unite as a species without the need for government.

us gov't ultimate goal is.to keep its employer happy. btw its employers are the lobbiest and special interest groups.

The ultimate goal of any goverment is inevitable "ultimate control" of those it governs....
Thus the Goverment is selfperpetuating.......
Control will be concenrated by natural porcess to fewer hands over time...
The ultimate goal of ANY GOVERMENT
They want it ALL...............

reply to post by BigBrotherDarkness


It's a done deal. All that remains is the final crash and resulting chaos, and God help us all when that comes. You can bet that the elitists will be fine, it will be us folks shopping at the local walmart who are scrabbling and suffering.

I don't have any sympathy for any of the people who helped pass legislation destroying the constitution or the charter of rights and freedom.

They deserve equal treatment, but they're criminals and they know it. And it gives them satisfaction.

reply to post by Coopdog


Absolutely. They're migrating right now into the hill-top where the sustainable cities exist with the technology that is only advertised in the news paper, when of course, it already exists outside of the inner-city limits. The inner city is getting more
desolate by the day, the car's are diminishing.

Soon you will see insurance companies popping up or non-profits offering insurance to low income citizens for their bicycles on the road.

This will spiral out of control if somebody does not repeal all of the legislation that has nullified our rights and civil liberties such as the Controlled Substances Act, or the National Instruments in Canada, or the Executive Order which nullifies any balances of power within the legislature.

Well, first we have to define who we mean by "U.S. government." The government is not a monolithic, uniform entity. It is comprised of myriad, disparate entities, individuals, groups, forces, and agendas. We have a great tendency to want to see uniformity of purpose and agenda, so as to construct the monolithic shadow government or NWO or what have you in our minds. It simplifies things. But that isn't necessarily reflected by the reality.

I use this example a lot, but look at Brzezinski and Kissinger. Both are viewed as powerful, influential, historical figures who are often implicated in conspiracy theories as being key players in "the powers that be." But they could not be more ideologically and politically opposed. One may of course argue that their differences were for show, but the historical record - their words, deeds, associations, and impacts - do not give credence to that assumption in my view.

For all its corruption, injustice, curtailing of rights, secrecy, plotting, and hidden agendas - whether real, perceived, assumed, or hypothesized - "the government" is not a smooth, cohesive, agreeable entity. Thus the real question to ask, in my opinion, is:

What is the ultimate goal of those within or having influence upon the government who have sufficient power to bring that goal to fruition? Even then, there are likely many answers. Not just one.

Peace.

"The Shadow knows." The shadow government has a plan but for the useless idiots in Washington it is like participating in a quilting bee where they are sewing what is in front of them but dont see the big picture (but slowly and surely will get manipulated to making the quilt the way the Shadow wants).

The people who are concerned with ultimate control are you and me.

That's the reason we worry about someone else controlling us,when we are ultimately in control,is that it is up to us....US.

The Old World Order,and their silly ass convenient media brainwashing,are why so many are so confused.

I must just be getting old,but to co-exist in a society,one must conform to a point.

Behave yourselves,or go live in the woods,like I do.

I think the state of the Union addresses; were intended to clearly state direction and what has been accomplished. Of course the focus of that has shifted from direction quite a bit over the years, but sometimes there are hints. Reagan could give a clear easy calming grand fatherly one; that made people feel warm and cozy...just check out the elector state maps during his elections. Others a bit creepier like Bush Sr. where you needed a special court doll to show where you were touched inappropriately...the hot water can't get hot enough to scub that ick off.

But I figured some might like to read all the past State of the Union addresses...to see how things have changed. I am in the midst of it...so I can't make any clear comment as of yet. Perhaps some clues to direction or when lobby, power and influence took over. Might make a good thread if someone is dry on idea's that like's authoring...I myself am too distracted with life to author anything of decent quality to present on the topic; so feel free...if any does please PM me the link or place it in the thread so others can find and read it thanks. www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

It seems the results thus far from posters combined state; we should be giving our respective governments direction if it even has or needs one. There also seems to be some frustration that we as citizens of our respective governments have little or no control over the direction if any; that it is either chosen by, others with power and influence, such as corporations and lobbies, or shadow government agendas pulling strings from the shadows.

I recall when I was a young child and had the realization that this wasn't my world; someone else painted the lines in the road of life you are expected to follow...and if you didn't walk those lines; things would be more complicated for you. So it seems either you submit or push back and the citizenry is a varied combination of those two...or the type that think the world is and does revolve around them

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I never smelled cigarettes when it was inside with different smoking sections or even in bars, it may have been there to smell but I never paid attention to it. So laws pushed everyone outside...ok I suppose perhaps an inconvenience to the smokers as much as smelling it was an inconvenience to nonsmokers I guess. But then outside became even more of an inconvenience; as people were loitering on the sidewalks and in front of businesses where they were told to be. Now there are bans saying not even outside...it just seems there's very little foresight and planning for these things. Someone could have said if we kick em into the street they will be out on the street...now if they said no smoking inside or outside; places would have immediately lost business and it wouldn't have passed...it's interesting outside of the inconveniences to smokers and businesses losing customers.

Hope that clears that last sentence up.

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This is exactly why I authored this thread; I wasn't under the guise that the government is in total power and have clear directions; but since corporations are "people" they have the power to lobby and pad some pockets or leak trading tips to politicians, to pass their ideals...what that direction of the most influential would be I am not sure...especially when citizens should be the most influential...not corporations labeled as a citizen.

I would love to have a lobby list and what is being lobbied; if anyone knows a link I know Dominoes Pizza lobbies pro life, and Chic-fila lobbies anti gay, but I'd like to know more than just those two...so I don't fund corporations by giving them my business against things...such as the above...yes touchy subjects, but the government has no business dictating a woman carrying a child to term or not think of what the alternatives in the black market were...illegality doesn't stop anything. Nor do they have a right to say who people can love or what they do as consenting adults with each other. Governing the people is the job; judging them is best left to churches. I would have said the court but there is no true separation of church and sate; with morality laws on the books.

The governments ultimate goal is to preserve the government.

Individuals within the government want to preserve themselves.

The agenda is control, because that's how they accomplished their goals.

They want a sure thing, and that thing is power.

The problem is there really are no sure things. We're gonna die.
Some of them don't even want to do that- ever.

They hoard everything they can.
Oh not all of them. But you know some of them have hearts that don't even beat, and they move their businesses to Dubai so they don't have to pay income taxes on businesses that get US money.

For some reason, the public sees wealth as a sign of intelligence and wealth. Sometimes it is pathological greed.

We've got to figure out who are real enemies are. That has to be OUR agenda. It should be the government's too, but too many are part of it.

OP, you ask good questions.

Here are some answers and an education.

First the education; read this interview, then go on to Larken Rose's website and learn some more.

www.thedailybell.com...

After that, you'll be wondering what the solution may be. I would recommend checking out The Zeitgeist Movement which is busily creating a global community of people who want equality of access to resources, and a peaceful co-existence with everyone on the planet (less the democide); over a hundred million people have seen the movies introducing the concepts, and a percentage of those are on board, just waiting for the inevitable economic collapse to happen as the governments overstep their boundaries. Right now, they're like Wile E. Coyote after he ran off the edge of the cliff; serious hang-time, but an inevitable crash, and soon.

Here's another hint: You won't find your answers from maniacal, emotionally labile people shouting on the teevee; look for those people who can coherently and rationally think things through, and who are out of the box thinkers enough to suggest new ways of doing things. They are the only real adults out there.

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That's so ironic! I just knew they would throw some word magic in,at the bottom of the declaration. Basically nullifying all of the above. Just browsing through Article 29 as its written just stinks of one world government.

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

"the free and full development of his personality." Wow! Women don't count.
The words "everyone" "others" and "his" etc need to be defined under universal law for this declaration to be worth anything.
"in a democratic society" A prerequisite is needed apparently for these rights to have validity.
"contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." Yep don't step on those toes.

The entire declaration reeks of word magic to spoonfeed the masses.
The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights uses the word HUMAN in its title and Article 1. That's it that's all!
After that, it disappears all together.
Terms like everyone,his,others and person etc replace the Human. LOL
"Human" covers us all, doesn't it? I could rewrite the entire Declaration using the word HUMAN. Anyone could!
I actually never read this before it was brought to my attention. thankx Its laughable the entire document.
Just another legalese declaration,statue or act, whatever you want to call it, to coerce and gain consent of the democratic herd. I guess that's why places like Libya.Iraq, Iran, hell any non democratic nation gets bombed into oblivion. The Declaration Of Human Rights doesn't apply. Democracy is a funny thing, 51 percent get their way and 49 percent don't.

Democratic New World Order! Well won't that be a treat. Half the world will like it and half the world won't!
I guess it depends what side your on. New World Disorder,is a given.

You think getting representation in the United States Congress is bad ...

just wait and see what kind of representation you'll get in world government.

no thanks ...

I think this quote gives a hint of what their agenda is. I think it has become the main goal of the left. After that they can do as they like.

“Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”

Sarah Brady quote

reply to post by BigBrotherDarkness


That would be an extremely worthwhile, and incredibly daunting task. I'd love to see it happen, and have made some attempt at doing so myself from time to time, only to find that the work involved would be absolutely monumental. Which is one of the greatest problems with our current political system in my opinion: its prohibitive complexity and enormity, such that no one can fully grasp or quantify its true nature.

I believe it's doable, but problematic. We'd have to identify lobby organizations, think tanks, committees, agencies, key individuals in all the hundreds - probably thousands - of them, and quantify the external, internal, and synergistic forces acting upon, within, and between them. And we'd have to assign a level of influence, and sphere of influence, to each of them. This would likely involve high level game theory, possibly AI, and mathematics of a level I can't even comprehend personally. I think it's something that should be done if it can be. But I don't know if we as laypeople can do it here or on our own. I suspect we'd need funding and to design a bona fide study. And then we'd have to intimately understand that data once we had it, which I'm not sure you or I would be qualified to do necessarily.

To just sort of "do our best" and try to form an opinion on that basis would risk bias, misinterpretation, and skewed conclusions.

You see the dilemma. But I do think it's doable, and should be done. I just don't know how, or by who. And I strongly suspect that even then the overall nature of the beast would be an emergent, evolving one, rather than a sole overall goal or agenda. It would be more like trying to determine the average trajectory of a mass of millions of tiny balls all traveling together but all independent of one another, and all affecting one another. No one or group of them would know where they were going from within the ball necessarily. And that's the scary thing. Our political system may be so vast, so complex, that almost no one truly understands it or can direct it in a meaningful way.

Peace.

reply to post by BigBrotherDarkness


what is it all for? are you new to conspiracy theory?

for ease of discussion, its labeled The NWO. but the name doesn't really matter
a globalist, crony-capitalist, fascist, police state. socialism will be used to placate the masses. drones and a boot to the head to anyone who doesn't go along.

Several thousand ultra rich with a general philosophy of a return to the good old days of feudalism with high tech invisible chains and a brain washed population that doesn't understand that they are slaves. They are divided up into factions. While they all have the same basic goal, they also all entertain the idea it is THEIR particular faction that will be in charge. They work together, unless a chance to toss another player under the bus without leaving fingerprints comes along.

These groups rarely intervene directly in world affairs. They work behind the scenes. Faceless and nameless people and corporations. Beneath these factions lay think tanks, foundations, study groups and trade organizations, spreading money and ideas. beneath them lay community organizers, direct action groups, trade unions, and political parties The pyramid is multiple layers deep. Few of the groups on the bottom have any idea who they are really being run by. Many groups are pitted against each other for divide and conquer purposes, others for Hegalian Dialectic manipulation. Psychological control is a key component . It also is a major dividing line among the factions. Those who advocate bloodless (relatively) socialistic and eugenicist methods, and those more open to overt fascist style police state violence. Nether is a friend to individualism, or freedom. Just different methods of tyranny.

To answer your question. The US is being used as an enforcer to set the stage for this world enslavement. And when their usefulness has ended, the US-as a sovereign, democratic, constitutional, republic, with capitalistic free markets, will be collapsed. How it plays out is event dependent. If it can be done peacefully, it will. They would probably even keep the name, but it will be a puppet state of the globalist government. If it turns ugly, then they will play a "Balkan" gambit. and if things go completely out of control, there will be the Twilight of the Gods scenerio.

Globalists are the enemies of freedom. Do not believe this brotherhood of man, save the planet crap. It is just a new wrapper on the same old dreams of theft and tyranny. You are breathing THEIR air, eating THEIR food, sucking up THEIR oil and natural resources, and they want 9 out of 10 of you DEAD. And the rest crawling on their knees living in slavery, chained by ignorance and decadent distractions.

When deciphering the US and world events, filter it through the lense of "how does this move the world closer to a globally controlled police state?"