Spiritual Warfare and the Pineal Gland

I have a really awesome thread on this subject called Tryptamines and God, unfortunately it is in the RATS forum and apparently I can't link to it on the regular forum, U2U me and I'll send you a link to it.

Whats sad about the pineal gland, if its connecting to spiritual aspect. What if the government dont
want you to know about it? Like poison water supply, food etc etc. It be better to have a mindless robot
then a person who is spiritual? If people really knew the truth, there would be less voilence/wars,
people who seem to advocate peace/love/love thy neighbor, get killed or shot; probably less profit for them.
They cant get the people to do their bidding, sure they have their science/atheists to put down people in this aspect of god, they want to shun you away from thinking about it.

am I wrong?

A question for all those who claim that we are in fact God, and that New Age philosophy holds the key to human progress (NB - there is nothing 'new' about the New Age; it is a collective relapse into former patterns of self-delusion...)


Why is it that persons suffering from mental disorders are denied Reiki treatments? Why are they ostracised from New Age communities, and treated as sub-human by those who claim to be enlightened? Why can a shaman not heal a person of Schizophrenia?

Because the New Age is full of deceivers, charlatans, and the spiritually non-discerning (who are often lovely people, who really do mean well, and wouldn't even know about what I am about to describe) The deceivers & charlatans are, to varying degrees:

- Aware that Reiki will set off demonic manifestations in those who are afflicted in the spiritual realms.

- Aware that the sufferer will not be able to open their third eye safely, due to demonic interference; and that they cannot be healed of such by ANY New Age belief systems or practices. Meditation is impossible to the afflicted person, due to interference from beyond their own noetic atmosphere. New Age practitioners cannot truly say that they stand for the unity of Mankind, because they DO ostracise persons with serious mental health disorders, often falsely claiming that such a person is suffering because of their own choices in this life (their fall-back position is that they have bad karma from a previous life - which is BS*)

- Because the Shaman is subservient to the spirits he/she serves - the serpents spoken of by the Ayahuasca of South America, for example, who 'initiate' a person into their service as a shaman by humiliating, denigrating & deceiving that person through various means. They literally mock & attack the human during the hallucinatory vision process, causing him/her to doubt that they are of any worth whatever, before issuing pretence at friendship, eventually rendering them entirely subservient. The shamanic initiate follows their lead, in order to receive the favour of the spirits, & the fear/adoration of their fellow man. Those serpent spirits (demons) have zero interest in 'healing' persons being afflicted by natural processes beyond their ability to heal through magical manipulation, or in healing those afflicted by entities spiritually greater than themselves, in hierarchical terms (or afflicted as part of a plan implemented by spiritual powers greater than themselves..)

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* NB - I do believe that repeated incarnation is an occasional possibility, under special circumstances - but I do not hold that we inevitably come back to Earth to work out our karma from prior incarnations. If there is work to be done, I believe it is a guided process after death; also, that redemption is possible beyond the grave for the previously unspiritual person - God is infinitely merciful, and not the author of 'black & white judgment', as many Christians portray Him. Personal choice is the key, and we should live according to what reality presents us with, acknowledging the reality of separate beings with independent conscience-guided consciousness, personally responsible for the majority of our individual actions.. We are not 'all one', despite protestations of the New Age - reality demonstrates clearly that we are disparate, unique entities, yet connected - socially, spiritually, and by shared material heritage.

The totality of the Cosmos is too vast for comprehension - God is beyond us, beyond our intellectual comprehension - and yet all around us, closer than our very heartbeat, as we discover when we acknowledge our position as 'Denizen of the near-infinite Cosmos', as opposed to 'Infinite LORD of the Cosmos'.

Some of the above are controversial statements for a person who is a confessing Christian, but I believe such based upon what I have researched, witnessed & personally experienced. I tend not to share these thoughts with other Christians, as they are quite often entirely narrow in their thinking on such topics, despite various clues scattered around the Judaic/Christian scriptures. It's a real shame that we have ended up this way, but I hope to be able to aid a transition to more tolerant and less dogmatic Christianity through my writings.

Special Note

- Even those Christians who can seem narrow-minded and unwilling to 'think outside the box' on certain issues, are most often truly wonderful people, who work charitably in their communities, and can be relied upon to support any & every person who comes to them for help. I speak from significant experience, and can testify that I was delivered from spiritual oppression only at the hand of praying Christians - I had resisted asking them for help due to the 'narrow-minded' argument, until I realised that the New Age movement simply didn't care about people with mental health disorders/ issues of spiritual persecution.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
- Even those Christians who can seem narrow-minded and unwilling to 'think outside the box' on certain issues, are most often truly wonderful people, who work charitably in their communities, and can be relied upon to support any & every person who comes to them for help. I speak from significant experience, and can testify that I was delivered from spiritual oppression only at the hand of praying Christians - I had resisted asking them for help due to the 'narrow-minded' argument, until I realised that the New Age movement simply didn't care about people with mental health disorders/ issues of spiritual persecution.

edit on 14-1-2013 by FlyInTheOintment because: (no reason given)

That may be do to the fact.....they are in Om land.

Moody Blues


Big Time Shamash

Ive been contemplating all day as to whether to post this or not and then coming to the conclusion that i may never know what it was that i saw unless i do, hopefully someone may have seen the same thing or similar or even read about what i saw.

Laying in bed last night and still wide awake, but with my eyes closed, just relaxing, not meditating at all really.
my vision suddenly hazed with the hue of deep purple, i instantly knew what i was picking up on, it was the amethyst cluster beside our bed, i have seen it a couple of other times before.

The first time i saw the amethyst cluster's hue was when i had just gotten into bed about 30 minutes after my husband, the cluster had only been in our house for about a week, i bought it for my husband as a gift.

As i lay there i got an odd feeling, i could see the clusters hue of dark purple with steamers of an earthen brown through in it. like the smoke of incense stick and i felt a slight pressure on my forehead, i rolled over and said to my husband, I think i will have to move the cluster in another room, he asked me why and i told him about the slight pressure and how strong its aura was.

He laughed, im like its no joke i can really feel it, then he said no no im not laughing at you, just before you came to bed i held the amethyst to my forehead and spoke some kind words of thanks to you for giving it to me.

I was like ah man seriously, well that explains the slight pressure to the forehead and how happy the crystal cluster was.

Now onto last night.

laying in bed, facing towards my husbands back with my eyes closed and again not meditating, just planing on going straight to sleep. the deep purple hue swirled and smoked in front of my eyes, in amongst the purple hue a bright glowing green appeared, but it was almost instantly covered over by the purple.

I was laying there thinking the green might be my husbands aura as i was facing his naked back, my head was at the height of his shoulder blades.

After what felt like 5 minutes or so, to my utter amazement the amethysts hue became kind of like a black board on my husbands skin, the bright green hue had suddenly disappeared and then in an instant these glowy green symbols showed up on his back.

I tell you what, its hard to keep focus when your not in a meditative state. anyway the one i instantly recognized on his right shoulder blade was a snowflake about the size of a tea cup saucer. it glowed bright green and very clear. there were lots of other symbols i didn't recognize as well, there were so many of them i couldn't begin to count them.

So im trying to figure out if these symbols are on my husbands skin, naked to the human eye or was he acting as a projector screen or empty canvas for the amethyst to show me what i saw, or did an outside influence use the amethysts aura and my husbands aura to show me these symbols?

i'm pretty sure they weren't Egyptian hieroglyphs, on looking for symbols on the net they could be mathematical, but i really don't know anything about maths.

Does anyone have any idea of what it was that i saw? it has me totally boggled.

Love and harmony
whateva

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Ok well you're the first person in 4 pages to bring up "The New Age Movement", and I thought this thread was mostly about just the pineal gland... But, your opinion is respected all the same

I did want to point out one thing though... It is true that this movement you speak of is wrought with fakes, liars, and some who plain do not have all the answers and make stuff up to attempt to retain their position of power (these almost annoy me the most...why can't people just say "i don't know"???).

However, looking at the movement of "organized religion", one can hardly tell the difference... There seem to be just as many crooks, cons, and those who plain do not know the truth so they make it up! "You will go to Hell if you do that, but not if you do this, just so long as you remember to do this other thing afterwards, and whatever you do..." How do they know?? Are they God? They know the details of The Final Judgement?

I could go on, but, it should be obvious to most that you've been caught in the act of casting a whole mound of stones whilst maintaining residence within living quarters that have been constructed entirely of glass!

Am I to reject the entirety of your religious teachings due to the shenanegans of a handful of miscreants?

Now, keeping in mind your answer to the above, please do proceed to feast your intellect upon the following...

Am I to reject the entirety of New Age teachings due to the misdeeds of a greedy bunch of riff-raff?

I personally am not a proponent of the New Age Movement in general, however, I cannot abide while you stumble on in here with your hypocritical haberdashery. And I might add that I do believe our fellow members here could very well be "onto something" with this "pineal gland stuff"... Yes indeed. I do however suspect that a great deal many of us humans, who have learned to love the chains that bind us, may not be ready for too much all at once. I believe it is meant to be done gradually, beginning with purely physical changes in our environment and nutrition... I believe this is why certain mystery schools use levels. They know that it is no use moving on to the next level unless you are ready for it.

I'm sure there are other reasons they do this nowadays since the schools have become corrupted, such as maintaining control and making sure only certain people advance who are willing to help with whatever agenda the elders have in mind.

It almost seems better to trust no one, and take the journey on your own, despite the danger and just trust your own heart... I guess the trick is knowing when you are truly ready... Knowing when you can truly TRUST your own heart. I certainly do not trust mine now. Not yet. I still find myself succumbing to emotional reactions from time to time. Even if only for a moment before I catch myself, this could be detrimental in the spiritual realms... Or not. Who knows? Maybe I will have a better idea once I've activated my pineal a bit more...

What irks me the most is that I'm using my android phone to learn about the pineal all whilst bathing my pineal with electromagnetic radiation.... :/ Not too sure how I feel about that one...

What is it with the freshest water being found in the pineal? It seems special somehow... Do the elites like to consume this water? Is that why they kidnap so many people? Do they torture you first so that certain glands are flooded with certain hormones or whatever?

Is this where vampires came from? Maybe its not "blood" that they want. It's that water from the "sacred holy grail", the pineal gland... Same with brain eating zombies... What exactly is it about the brain that they want to eat so badly??? Hmmm...

I like the idea of the pineapple being involved... Hmmm... Pine...Apple... Apple...Eve...Garden of Eden... It was never an Apple... It was a PINEapple... Pineal gland?

The pineCONE seems to represent the pineal closed, the way THEY want it. That's why its always depicted that way in the old carvings... But then, I swear I've seen some ancient carvings with pineapples too...somewhere. The pineapple seems to represent an open pineal gland...the leaves sprouting out on top could represent the information flowing into your brain, or conversely, they could also be your own mental antennae, reaching out into a new realm you could not experience before...

Or maybe I really am just bat sh# crazy XD

reply to post by Whateva69


Hey thanks for sharing, that sounds very interesting. I have a feeling we have not heard the last of your amythest cluster... If anything else happens please do make a thread. And I M me if you can. I promise not to pollute your thread with my strange suppositions. I do have a feeling you will get an answer to your question(s) in the coming nights/weeks. I apologize I couldn't help more and I do hope that someone will come along with more experience, or who has at least experienced something similar... You may want to try ATS SEARCH to look up threads about "seeing symbols" or something like that... Or just try "amethyst". Or you could try the proper spelling of the word since I cannot make up my mind what that is

Originally posted by starshift


I feel that our pineal is like an antenna to our Higher Selves and that when it's not functioning well or properly developed, we may experience a dis-connect to a greater reality and knowledge that exceeds our current understanding. We experience the illusion of separation and fear when operating from the denser perspective.

Pineal Info & Healing

edit on 12-1-2013 by starshift because: typo

Great Thread! Thank you for sharing this on ATS..The more that read the message the more that will make "Changes" for the positive in their own lives and the "Organism" we Live on as well ..

wow i just received an inbox on what it may have been that i saw.





In the first vid they talk about seeing the number 11, well i haven't been noticing 11 except for when members mention that they see them here on ATS. I keep getting 69 so i have no idea what that means concerning light codes.

in the second vid she mentions Metatron, that's funny because when i told my husband what i saw, i told him he was like TRON from the movie lol

Thank you starshift for your U2U enlightening me on what it could be.
I will be trying to find out more info in the next few days x x x

Love and harmony
Whateva

I'm surprised no one has mentioned '___' (Dimethyltryptamine) yet. Being that it is produced by the pineal gland.. and is such a huge proponent of "consciousness"

'___' - THE SPIRIT MOLECULE - must watch documentary if you are interested in this kind of thing...

www.thespiritmolecule.com... ..available for instant play on Netflix

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

Why can a shaman not heal a person of Schizophrenia?

Who says a person with Schizophrenia needs healing? Do you even know what Schizophrenia really is?

No, they don't need healing; they need training, so they don't freak out when visions occur.

Originally posted by Spiro
My friends,

This is such a fantastic thread and the discussion is really positive. Ill get to reading it more and hopefully, if time allows, share some of my remote viewing experiences related to the Pineal gland and much more

Spiro,
Are you coming back to tell us about your remote viewing experiences? I am really interested in hearing about them.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


I'm not sure what circles you have interacted with in regards to shamans or Christians but your interpretations are not in line with my observations of those groups.

Most of the shaman I've worked with had genuine intentions and took their work seriously. They were respectful of the powers they worked with but I never experienced their actions to indicate a sense of fearfulness to an unseen god that watched their every move ready to dish out punishment if they failed to follow the rule book. Their focus since antiquity has been to serve their community as a specialist in the spiritual realms. Their journey into that role involved much time spent in nature, often alone but under the guidance of their elders. This dedication develops their inner knowledge. That being said, I have come across practitioners that were ethically compromised. This helped develop better discernment within me.

A fair portion of the traditional religious people that I have meet seemed to live two lives. One in which they do there best to be a good person in line with the teachings of their religious leaders. The other facet to their personality was more juvenile in quality and judgemental towards others who are not of similar mind to their own or practiced alternative lifestyles such as being gay. Their focus to me feels more towards assimilation and intolerance.

If it were my choice, people would learn to find inner empowerment and guidance rather than being trained through indoctrination.

In regards to Reiki, I can see why it's important to use caution when dealing with people who have mental disorders. Reiki is a channeled energy that has been in use for a long time. Astral entities tend to cord themselves to the chakras of the living person in order to feed off of the energies of their host. Adding more energy to the host and parasitic entity will not resolve the situation. In those cases an etheric clearing would be my choice of action.

Based on what you have stated in your recovery through the focus of prayers of those that helped you may have received energetically just what was needed for you. For the record, take none of anything I state as medical advice as that is not my intention nor my expertise.

My friend,

Bless you

Originally posted by sled735

Originally posted by Spiro
My friends,

This is such a fantastic thread and the discussion is really positive. Ill get to reading it more and hopefully, if time allows, share some of my remote viewing experiences related to the Pineal gland and much more

Spiro,
Are you coming back to tell us about your remote viewing experiences? I am really interested in hearing about them.

I am doing my best but I am very busy at the moment. Each time I log on here I see a topic and throw a few posts out then have to log out because I have run out of time or have something to do. I have been meaning to start a thread for a while now and just never seem to have the time to do it lol, meh no excuses eh

I have mentioned before in a few threads in which I work along side another three people here in the UK for remote viewing exercises. I have so much to share however, I am in need of my colleagues permission and guidance because some, if not most, of the material is quite sensitive and may be against ATS's T&C. I'm working on it though

A little time

Be safe be well

Spiro

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

The totality of the Cosmos is too vast for comprehension - God is beyond us, beyond our intellectual comprehension - and yet all around us, closer than our very heartbeat, as we discover when we acknowledge our position as 'Denizen of the near-infinite Cosmos', as opposed to 'Infinite LORD of the Cosmos'

The totality of the cosmos is much simpler to comprehend than you currently think and it is infinite not near-infinite. Though, they are very nearly the same.

Near-infinite means, 
There are currently no witnesses

Infinite,
 Is the result of a witness


Here I'll explain!

You are on earth. 
Look at the moon. 
Now move it aside.  
Go to the next object that is behind it, whatever it is. 
Move it aside. 
Repeat this process until no more objects are in the way, the "edge of space" so to speak, where galaxies, nebulea, stars, planets, moons, rocks, dust and light haven't yet expanded into. An apparent end!

You can still "see" into the "distance", as such, obviously no light would be coming in from an "outside" source whereby you could  judge the gap between you and it but, there would be a whole lot of nothing that you could spoil by entering.

The further you venture the more you witness the more infinite it becomes. 





... Nah you were right. I give up. 

~Crzay

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Well it is a little bit ironic that someone named Who Knows firmly believes:
- that there is actually a Creator, as in a thinking/walking/talking dude that knows it all (let's just say proof of that is somewhat flimsy). One that says "Adam where are you?" when he is supposedly Omniscient.

- that snakes can talk. They only do under a rather strong dose of substances, which I must assume most Bible characters were high on when talking to serpents, burning bushes, clouds in high mountains and all sorts of things like that.

- that a book written by a bunch of people in robes roughly 1900 years ago has all the answers to everything there is to know about everything

Well all I can say is good luck to that. I wish all the best and to have your Pineal gland stimulated enough one day for you to talk to that lightbearer of a snake.

reply to post by starshift


So what your saying is, that we are constantly stuck in this 3rd dimension for eternity by control and fear. But the way to actually enter the 5th dimension is to open our 3rd eye and let the light in. Well by all of the conditioning from religion and societies how do you trigger your pineal gland to accept this light.

I wonder if Deja Vu is a futile attempt of our mind to guide us to open our 3rd eye.

reply to post by skorpius


That's not exactly what I'm saying. Not knowing the bigger picture can keep you in the dark and unable to re-connect with your true source.
Let's look at the largest pine cone statue at the vatican.


The pine cone is closed and flanked by two peacocks. These birds are sometimes used to represent eternal life. My interpretation of this statue is that the church is charged with the mission to keep mankind spiritually undeveloped for eternity.

There have been several good posts from others which offered some ways on clearing the calcification and I feel it's a very worthwhile venture.

As for the transition to higher realms, my focus lately has been to bridge my Higher Self into this reality. Bringing light (information) into awareness. Making the unconscious conscious.

reply to post by starshift


Thanks for the reply, as you can tell I am new to Pineal Glands and stimulating them. I will and would love to find more information about stimulating my own Gland.

Now, when you were talking about bringing Unconscious to Conscious, I am curious about this as well, I have wondered if we can communicate with our own unconscious. I undestand some speculate that with our dreams this happens, but sadly I cannot remember my dreams except for bits and pieces and what I do remember is bizarre/odd. The dreams are not frightening as I tend to be able to control mine to a point to where I really don,t have nightmares. Now some dreams do have certain aspects of them that should be seen as scary but for some reason I find, I am questioning what I am experiencing while in the dream state. If it's a violent dream, my sub_conscious seems to recognize it and I am able to nullify it from becoming a true nightmare. Now when this happens, I tend to wake up, but I remember it enough and know I was in control and I was not scared even tho consciouly I know I should of been. I would love to be able to tap into and communicate with my Unconscious state, however I wonder if it's my Sub_conscious that is keeping me from that, by waking me up. Anyway just my little rant Thanks for listening.

reply to post by skorpius


It's a journey my friend. On a personal level you begin to become your own observer. Try to figure out why you act in certain ways or respond to certain stimulations with a repeated reaction, things like that, but dont be judgmental about it. Just become aware and make changes to better yourself. Learn what intention is and how to use it.

When you better know how your own critter is operating you gain a better perspective about others as well and can choose to be more understanding than reactive. Reactions are generally programs, which we pick up from our experiences and by accepting what others say. Bodywork can be very helpful as we store charges in our bodies that can be released.

Be in service to others rather than yourself. Solfeggio frequencies can be helpful too. Have fun.