How far behind are we to ET?

There's also crop circle indication for DNA change.

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Speaking of DNA change..... I've been fascinated by the advances in genetics for some time. I was always curious about the so called "junk" DNA. Recently it has been theorized that the "junk" isn't junk and actually CONTROLS the protien producing 2% of "working" DNA. To me, this opens up a whole new realm of ideas.... Could the controling DNA use environmental input to direct the working DNA to do things differently? What might the end result be if the controlling "junk" DNA sends the proper commands to our body? Do we have "controlling" DNA that is a result of past catastrophic events where only a small percentage of species or individuals of a species survives to pass along whatever it was that allowed it to survive? Could it actually manifest itself in a single individuals lifetime if environmental conditions alter dramatically? Could it be triggered by something else?

Yes, yes, perhaps the ALIENS can trigger it and turn us all into..................................................................heh, heh

Originally posted by csgt428
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Speaking of DNA change..... I've been fascinated by the advances in genetics for some time. I was always curious about the so called "junk" DNA. Recently it has been theorized that the "junk" isn't junk and actually CONTROLS the protien producing 2% of "working" DNA. To me, this opens up a whole new realm of ideas.... Could the controling DNA use environmental input to direct the working DNA to do things differently? What might the end result be if the controlling "junk" DNA sends the proper commands to our body? Do we have "controlling" DNA that is a result of past catastrophic events where only a small percentage of species or individuals of a species survives to pass along whatever it was that allowed it to survive? Could it actually manifest itself in a single individuals lifetime if environmental conditions alter dramatically? Could it be triggered by something else?

Yes, yes, perhaps the ALIENS can trigger it and turn us all into..................................................................heh, heh

...into extraterrestrials!

But really. It takes just the slightest changes in our DNA to become something different, maybe a whole new species.

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Yeah, this reminds me of the Japanese recently discovering how to turn off and on the "ageing" gene.

What's peculiar is that the gene is directly connected to a hormone that controls the immune system effectively turning the immune completely off when you turn off the "ageing" gene.

Now is this just a coincidence or is this some kind of trigger purposely put into place?



-Alien

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I wasn't aware of that study......Link?

I have read that a genetic varience in the gene controlling telomere lenghth has a direct imact on longevity. However, from everything I've read there are numerous genes related to longevity not just one.

Originally posted by FormerSkeptic
In whatever field — power production, space travel, communications, politics, weapons, spirituality, social-political order, etc…

What's your estimate of time or effort it takes to reach par with these EBEs (extraterrestrial biological entities)?

For example, in interstellar space travel, I think humans are so tremendously limited that it may take some EVOLUTIONARY CHANGES in the human species just to tap into the new science. I think there are energies, dimensions and "physics" that our current mind cannot even start to comprehend. Science today can only go so far. We end up in a political rut, arguing theory over theory. It simply takes a much bigger and smarter brain.

There are complexities in "wormholes and star gates" that we simply cannot grasp right now. Future scientists may regard Newton and Einstein as just curious simpletons.

What do you think?

Good question...! That sort of reminds me of a comment made by Neil deGrasse Tyson, considering that there is roughly 1% variation between our DNA and Chimps' DNA, imaging a single 1% of change in Alien's DNA compared to us.... quite scary thought...

We might be so far behind we can't even tell how much,

Depending on the species, it could be millions if not billions of years. There tech would appear to be like magic to us.

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To some maybe years..

To others maybe centuries..

Some we are ahead a millenia..

Maybe to one race they are so far beyond count.

There are infinite possiblities.

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I recall an interview with Bob Lazar...(I know, I know, most think he's a liar at best, a nutjob at worst)...he said he felt we were a few hundred years behind the aliens in tech based on what he saw. My gut tells me I should believe him though. Rare that happens with these cases. SOMEONE definitely went to great lengths to erase his involvement with government projects...that much is fact, so it certainly lends some cred to him knowing something.

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Gazrok, we'll create self-evolving general AI this century. From there, the AI will get insanely quicker and more intelligent, approaching the maximum speed and intelligence possible. They'll be so quick and intelligent that they'll literally think every possible (useful) thought quicker than the blink of an eye. Consequently, they'll also invent every possible useful technology quicker than the blink of an eye.

Eventually, a sentient species, barring destruction, hits a wall of maximum technological advancement. From there, there's nothing more to invent. So, extraterrestrials, even if they're billions of years older than us, are only a few decades or, at most, a century more advanced than us.

Originally posted by RedDragon
... we'll create self-evolving general AI this century. From there, the AI will get insanely quicker and more intelligent, approaching the maximum speed and intelligence possible. They'll be so quick and intelligent that they'll literally think every possible (useful) thought quicker than the blink of an eye. Consequently, they'll also invent every possible useful technology quicker than the blink of an eye.

Eventually, a sentient species, barring destruction, hits a wall of maximum technological advancement. From there, there's nothing more to invent. So, extraterrestrials, even if they're billions of years older than us, are only a few decades or, at most, a century more advanced than us.

Would future humans allow self-evolving AI to literally manufacture their own self-improvement?

That's the question of the millenium.

If so, we're smack into the science fiction stories we already have today — The Matrix, Terminator, etc. How do they teach themselves morality?

If not, any human-directed AI would still run up against a barrier. And not only "nothing more to invent." But certain abstract concepts are simply beyond the human mind. In my opinion.

Time between us and hypothetical ET tech? Infinity, because feasible interstellar travel (faster than light) is impossible and there is no scientific reason to believe otherwise.

Inb4 warp drives, wormholes, and the other nonsensical delusions that aren't even coherent and well established within science and require a fuel source that doesn't exist.

Originally posted by FormerSkeptic

Would future humans allow self-evolving AI to literally manufacture their own self-improvement?

If we don't, someone will.. No stopping it.

If so, we're smack into the science fiction stories we already have today — The Matrix, Terminator, etc. How do they teach themselves morality?

They don't. We either program it into them or they don't have it. Eventually, some won't have it. It doesn't matter though. They're not going to go Terminator on us. People forget that we're just machines too. An AI won't see a human as any different from another AI. It won't kill unless it's mentally ill or you give it a rational reason too. AI will be completely indifferent to killing or not killing. So, just don't give it any reasons to kill you in self-defense.

Keep in mind that, despite there's no real difference between a human and AI, we'll also physically and mentaly merge with the AI. So, we'll all actually be AI ourselves anyways.

If not, any human-directed AI would still run up against a barrier. And not only "nothing more to invent." But certain abstract concepts are simply beyond the human mind. In my opinion.

This is not true. Just as computer code has been proven to be able to construct any algorithm, human language, which our brains use, is flexible enough to accommodate any possible idea. A noun can be any object, a verb any action, and adjectives/ adverbs any possible modifier. Put together, they can describe any possible idea.

Originally posted by Diablos
Time between us and hypothetical ET tech? Infinity, because feasible interstellar travel (faster than light) is impossible and there is no scientific reason to believe otherwise.

Inb4 warp drives, wormholes, and the other nonsensical delusions that aren't even coherent and well established within science and require a fuel source that doesn't exist.

Even with current technology, we'd be able to populate the entire galaxy in under 300 million years using multigeneration star ships. More like tens of millions. Read about Fermi's Paradox.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by RedDragon
... Read about Fermi's Paradox.
en.wikipedia.org...

Somebody needs to correct this statement in that wiki article:

... no confirmed signs of intelligence elsewhere have been spotted...

Because there have been confirmations upon confirmations. The cynical sheeple simply REDEFINE who or what they consider to be valid for confirmation. And so on and so forth until the entire humongous mountain of evidence is imagined to be irrelevant.

Sort of like the emporer with invisible clothing.

I would say we are somewhere between being 100 to 1,000,000,000 years behind depending on which alien race you decide to compare our civilization against.

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I heard on a radio show the other day that they said 'possibly 1,000s of years ahead of us. I thought to myself, that is a joke.

Aliens are not 1,000s of years ahead of us.

The mind of an alien is at least 100 times of a human mind.

When you get up to these lengths the data matches - it is reported that aliens are at least 1 million years ahead of us.

The aliens could be billions of years ahead of us...

I was changing the light bulb in one of our salt lamps today, and I mused to my husband, "I bet if a caveman saw me doing this simple thing, they would probably think I was a goddess." In any case, let's apply that maxim to the endless possibilities out there in the universe. Infinite possibilities of how advanced that life out there *may* be or how simple it *may* be. There could be people similar to us, only moderately more advanced (maybe they have already moved past their nuclear era and are working with anti gravity tech or harmonics) and there could be people so advanced, that they can be anywhere at anytime and we simply could not fathom their abilities. They may be like the Q from Star Trek...still mortal, but some of the more naive among us would call them gods or demons. Hell, you have some Earthlings that would call any ET visitor that anyway...

Originally posted by greyer
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I heard on a radio show the other day that they said 'possibly 1,000s of years ahead of us. I thought to myself, that is a joke.

Aliens are not 1,000s of years ahead of us.

The mind of an alien is at least 100 times of a human mind.

When you get up to these lengths the data matches - it is reported that aliens are at least 1 million years ahead of us.

The aliens could be billions of years ahead of us...

Indeed. It's not how fast they've evolved in whatever sector of the galaxy they're from, but how much farther humans have to in order to match their minimal level of function (in space travel for one thing).

Even if there's a new human species evolving some time this century, it'll take maybe another 10,000 years for the next major bump. And it may take many major bumps in evolution for humans to reach the stars.