Chinese Military On "High Alert" After It Scrambles Fighter Jets To "Counter" Japanese Jets

Chinese Military On "High Alert" After It Scrambles Fighter Jets To "Counter" Japanese Jets

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The one thing that most seem to forget in the epic 30 year old story (which has a very sad ending) that is the Japanese floundering economy, is that while the new Abe government may and will likely try everything to crush the Yen (which is already nearing the 90 USDJPY target, however briefly, before it resumes its grind lower once it dawns on investors what it will mean for the Japanese Treasury when bond yields soar), the main reason it has posted three massive monthly trade deficits in a row has nothing to do with its currency, and everything to do with what is now a permanent boycott of Ja

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Well not a big surprise considering Japan was now thinking about shooting ``warning shots`` at Chinese planes if they entered the Senkakus islands airspace again...

Hopefully this is not the start of WW3...or a limited conlict at the very least but this doesn't looks good AT ALL...

Of couse by treaty, the US would be FORCED to help Japan in a war against China... time to prepare your BOBs??

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Some more news...

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China ready for worst-case Diaoyu scenario

According to Japanese media, Japan's Self-Defense Forces have scrambled fighter jets against China's military aircraft, including fighter jets, which flew to the Diaoyu Islands. It was the first time that military aircraft from both China and Japan confronted each other over the Diaoyu Islands. All of East Asia is now facing intense uncertainty.

Thanks to Japan's arrogance toward China, the Diaoyu Islands dispute has come to this point. Japanese politicians, including Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara and former prime minister Yoshihiko Noda, are to blame.

China and Japan may stand at a turning point that leads to confrontation. The resentment toward each other has come to the highest level since World War II. The Sino-Japanese relationship is looking dim.

How far the Diaoyu crisis goes depends on whether Japan is just putting on a show by intercepting China's military aircraft or it really wants to confront China. If it chooses the latter, then it is choosing a military clash.

Chinese society is tired of simple verbal protests toward Japan. The Chinese people hope the country will carry out actions against Japan's provocations. China's sending fighter jets to the islands reflects Chinese public opinion.

A military clash is more likely. We shouldn't have the illusion that Japan will be deterred by our firm stance. We need to prepare for the worst.

They are basically speaking for the Chinese Communist Party...

My personal opinion is that while Japan is nursing a massive hole in it's national territory that Fukushima created for natural ability to live in, they need to focus on THAT and not starting a war with a nation that can stomp them into pieces of bait to go fishing with...and no even break stride in the process.

I know it's almost world sport these days to make fun of China and Russia as backward and primitive and that MAY have been accurate 10-15 years ago in China's case, but it shows the lack of timely education on recent events to assume that now. They've literally moved mountains and stopped mighty rivers in their drive to be the biggest and best in every measurable category...on pretty much everything.

China also has a BURNING hatred for the Japanese if conflict is the topic. This isn't like two nations in another place where they just have a common issue to bicker over. These two also have that underlying deep deep deep issue that..sadly.. Japanese people apparently don't even GET educated on in school for it being outside "Politically Correct".

I'd say Japan needs to stop pushing before they get pushed BACK and right off their chair. Then the U.S. has to get into this crap by treaty obligation and fight their little battle for them. . The US ought to bill them every penny if we are stuck on doing anything of the sort.

reply to post by lolita64

Wouldn't it be humorous if we went to war over a string of islands and millions of people died? All because of national pride or whatnot? It would be funny if it was a movie.

So many wars start over debates about who owns what and how much. Gulf War 1 was about debts and old ownership rights and the Iran-Iraq war was over disputed land (ex: Khuzestan).

If people didn't disagree about who owns Canaan (Israel, etc), how many less wars would there be in the Middle East? A lot of the blame also lies on the United Kingdom and its conquest of the world. Britain was a superpower for many ages and went across the world spreading war.

I think it's safe to say homosapien is a warlike species. Quick to anger and violent and expansionist and stubborn and self-righteous and clever enough to survive anyway. Homosapien children prepare for adulthood by engaging in staged warfare through various games. Even the least aggressive among them will pathetically and persistently attack each other in writing or in speech. Their selfish and individualistic habits cause them grave debts and divisions which further ignite their instinctive aggressive tendencies. Nonetheless, they persevere through it all to jeer at us.

Jeer? /laugh We've conquered whole clusters of stars. Your inferiority doesn't threaten us.

Cows! Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Haha! /cough Muhahahahahahahahaha!

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by lolita64

 

Wouldn't it be humorous if we went to war over a string of islands and millions of people died? All because of national pride or whatnot? It would be funny if it was a movie.

So many wars start over debates about who owns what and how much. Gulf War 1 was about debts and old ownership rights and the Iran-Iraq war was over disputed land (ex: Khuzestan).

If people didn't disagree about who owns Canaan (Israel, etc), how many less wars would there be in the Middle East? A lot of the blame also lies on the United Kingdom and its conquest of the world. Britain was a superpower for many ages and went across the world spreading war.

I think it's safe to say homosapien is a warlike species. Quick to anger and violent and expansionist and stubborn and self-righteous and clever enough to survive anyway. Homosapien children prepare for adulthood by engaging in staged warfare through various games. Even the least aggressive among them will pathetically and persistently attack each other in writing or in speech. Their selfish and individualistic habits cause them grave debts and divisions which further ignite their instinctive aggressive tendencies. Nonetheless, they persevere through it all to jeer at us.

Jeer? /laugh We've conquered whole clusters of stars. Your inferiority doesn't threaten us.

Cows! Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Haha! /cough Muhahahahahahahahaha!

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Actually some of us evolved from Bonobos instead of the angry little cousin Chimps...We are just waiting until they kill each other off.

www.pbs.org...

Based on the history of Japanese aggression against China, who could blame em

Originally posted by lolita64

Of couse by treaty, the US would be FORCED to help Japan in a war against China... time to prepare your BOBs??

Dont even worry about it. If by the off chance you actually happened to survive any conflict between super powers, there would be nothing left to return to but irradiated lands and death from radiation poisoning.

Japan annexed the Senkaku islands in 1895 , they had them semi-colonized with a fish processing plant from 1900 to 1940 when the business went under . Since China made no claims on them nor showed any interest in them till 1969 when there were possible oil reserves found nearby , someone needs to ask them if they're planning on claiming the islands under maritime salvage laws . ( found at sea with no one on board )

Fukoshima and the tsunami ,the very real danger that Japan could sink, or be destroyed completely by Earthquakes, would perhaps spur them on to keep a land asset, where their population could flee to, if the BIG one predicted for Japan comes in the future.

Japan is not going to back down..China whilst we are told are not imperialists, seem to want every land mass near them.
Tibet,Taiwan,Hong kong, Australia has been almost bought out.

I say go Japan.

Originally posted by lolita64

Well not a big surprise considering Japan was now thinking about shooting ``warning shots`` at Chinese planes if they entered the Senkakus islands airspace again...

Hopefully this is not the start of WW3...or a limited conlict at the very least but this doesn't looks good AT ALL...

Of couse by treaty, the US would be FORCED to help Japan in a war against China... time to prepare your BOBs??

why would we be "forced"?

absolutely no predictability as to who would win this war.

Throwing it right to China would be a massive mistake maybe, anyone who studied fukushima can say one thing for sure.....

The Japanese were producing weapons grade materials.

12 highly sophisticated Nuclear devices well shielded and optimized to produce a large EMP effect would likely send China back to the stone age, with every volley of missiles they throw up, you Emp the atmosphere and let it off over another city

No lights... no computers, no detonations, no communications nuthin

Just saying I wouldn't rule japan out so fast.

Bottom line is Nuclear war is all about first strike capability hence the whole cuban missile Crisis thing we went through....

Japan is roughly 46 feet from China and 80% of it's industry and educated population is located in an area the size of New England?

Right timing one missile Beijing luxury of having access to American stealth technology big plus....

Would Japan snake bite them?

Yeah

Hope this cools down. Its always something. But in any case Godzilla has Japans back. Which is good.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
My personal opinion is that while Japan is nursing a massive hole in it's national territory that Fukushima created for natural ability to live in, they need to focus on THAT and not starting a war with a nation that can stomp them into pieces of bait to go fishing with...and no even break stride in the process.

I know it's almost world sport these days to make fun of China and Russia as backward and primitive and that MAY have been accurate 10-15 years ago in China's case, but it shows the lack of timely education on recent events to assume that now. They've literally moved mountains and stopped mighty rivers in their drive to be the biggest and best in every measurable category...on pretty much everything.

China also has a BURNING hatred for the Japanese if conflict is the topic. This isn't like two nations in another place where they just have a common issue to bicker over. These two also have that underlying deep deep deep issue that..sadly.. Japanese people apparently don't even GET educated on in school for it being outside "Politically Correct".

I'd say Japan needs to stop pushing before they get pushed BACK and right off their chair. Then the U.S. has to get into this crap by treaty obligation and fight their little battle for them.

. The US ought to bill them every penny if we are stuck on doing anything of the sort.

Seriously, the article posted is clearly Chinese propaganda (only China uses that name for the Senkaku Islands). The Islands clearly belong to Japan. China would never start a confrontation with Japan as they have zero chance to win. The US is obligated to defend Japan, and would do so with the full might of the US military which would crush China in weeks. Russia would not engage, and if they did, both of them would be destroyed in months. What Navy does China have?

Here is evidence relating to the islands ownership.

In the 1920's, Chinese Consul Feng Mien wrote a letter which the Japanese have on display that list the Senkaku islands as being part of the Empire of Japan.

1953, The People's Daily (communist part controlled paper so it's official) states the islands are Japanese.

In 1965, The Grand Atlas of the World Vol. 1 (Chinese) lists the Senkaku islands as being Japanese.

In 1969 the official PRC map lists Senkaku as being Japanese.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Recently Lee Teng-hui, the former President of Republic of China stated the Senkaku islands were Japanese (which is what his whole generation grew up believing).

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I am sorry but your statements are not proof, they are assertions of proof . Where are the source documents. That level of proof is very common to the internet and is often taken from some uninformed blog and repeated as truth.

To put it another way, source please?

P

Originally posted by pheonix358
To put it another way, source please?

go here:
www.mofa.go.jp...

scroll to the bottom for scans of the docs he's talking about.

when you're done there, a good read on the Japanese official position is on the Q&A page, which can be found here: www.mofa.go.jp...

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
The US is obligated to defend Japan, and would do so with the full might of the US military.....

The US position on this issue in regards to the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty is murky at best.

Yes, the US acknowledges that the island are part of the treaty, yet it "considers that any conflicting claims to the islands are a matter for resolution by the parties concerned."

During Senate deliberations on whether to consent to the ratification of the Okinawa Reversion Treaty, the State Department asserted that the United States took a neutral position with regard to the competing claims of Japan, China, and Taiwan, despite the return of the islands to Japanese administration. Department officials asserted that reversion of administrative rights to Japan did not prejudice any claims to the islands.

When asked by the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee how the Okinawa Reversion Treaty would affect the determination of sovereignty over the Senkakus (Diaoyu/Diaoyutai), Secretary of State William Rogers answered that “this treaty does not affect the legal status of those islands at all."

Murky at best.

fpc.state.gov...

Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

I am sorry but your statements are not proof, they are assertions of proof . Where are the source documents. That level of proof is very common to the internet and is often taken from some uninformed blog and repeated as truth.

To put it another way, source please?

P

Sources for what exactly. I gave names and dates, are you that lazy you can't look something up?

Originally posted by METACOMET

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
The US is obligated to defend Japan, and would do so with the full might of the US military.....

The US position on this issue in regards to the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty is murky at best.

Yes, the US acknowledges that the island are part of the treaty, yet it "considers that any conflicting claims to the islands are a matter for resolution by the parties concerned."

During Senate deliberations on whether to consent to the ratification of the Okinawa Reversion Treaty, the State Department asserted that the United States took a neutral position with regard to the competing claims of Japan, China, and Taiwan, despite the return of the islands to Japanese administration. Department officials asserted that reversion of administrative rights to Japan did not prejudice any claims to the islands.

When asked by the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee how the Okinawa Reversion Treaty would affect the determination of sovereignty over the Senkakus (Diaoyu/Diaoyutai), Secretary of State William Rogers answered that “this treaty does not affect the legal status of those islands at all."

Murky at best.

fpc.state.gov...

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No, it's not murky. It means just because the treaty lists the Islands as Japanese and part of the area covered under the defense pact does not mean the islands are indeed Japanese and that a court can not award them to China. That has nothing at all to do with an attack on Japan, in which case the full might of the US military will be used against China, and they will concede defeat in a matter of weeks, a humiliated and crippled nation.

They know this, and so they will bully, but not outright confront Japan.