British MP's call for 32% salary increase!? Is this a sick joke?

reply to post by iskander683


You do realise that the chances of anyone in the media ... be it the Daily Mail, Telegraph, BBC etc ... actually having read the full 113 page IPSA report in it's entirety is as near as dammit zero ?

They'll have only read a summary, then spun some of it's conclusions to the very limit, for the deliberate intention of creating the maximum amount of contrived, phoney outrage ? They do it with everything in the public sector but somehow that outrageous, manipulative media lens is very seldom directed back at themselves with that same kind of venomous focus.

Take the Daily Mail, for example, that favourite newspaper of the flags and stars whores on ATS. I couldn't even begin to contemplate how much of today's copy is factually inaccurate or twisted and turned to make black look white. Yet so little is ever expected of the British newspapers that they're almost beyond accountability. There's no "board and questions" forum on the Daily Mail forum, there's nowhere to ask Lord Rothermere questions. Likewise there's nowhere on the Telegraph site where we can question the Barclay Brothers, Conrad Black or anyone else who's ever been connected with that newspaper. The Daily Mail website ... so many hits, so much content ... and so little advertising. Who the hell's paying for that little enterprise ... same with Drudge and every other website where the right wind media comes together ... who's paying for it all ?

Yet anything go wrong in the public sector, of any kind whatever, and it's a total free for all.

I'm totally digressing and going off track, apologies to the OP.

But all I'm saying is we ALL need to go past the lurid headlines and read the source material, even if it's 113 pages long and as thick as my Grandma's stew. I appreciate that sometimes isn't easy. But only on that basis should we come here and give ATS our thoughts. We must never abdicate our own responsibilities and just let ourselves get our tails wagged for us by the Daily Mail etc.

Btw I can as much direct this criticism against you, me & everyone else here tbh. We need to all change our ways, only then will ATS improve.

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by PW229
while they demand a 32% pay rise!?

Where have they demanded a 32% pay rise please?

I have edited my original post to reflect and acknowledge your perfectly valid point.

Originally posted by PW229

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by PW229
while they demand a 32% pay rise!?

Where have they demanded a 32% pay rise please?

I have edited my original post to reflect and acknowledge your perfectly valid point.

It's annoyed me so much how the BBC have chosen to spin this. And then people on here read the headline and assume MP's have asked for this rise, not reading the whole story. Mind you, I'm cranky today anyway.

I don't think it will make any difference at all to the IPSA review. I can sit here and ask for a new VW campervan, but doesn't mean I'll get one.

This quote from the Huff Post cracked me up...

But Tory MP Andrew Bridgen told BBC Radio 4's PM programme he believed MPs deserved more cash.

"Most of my colleagues on the government benches took a large pay cut to be an MP, and I think there’s a real danger, if you need good people, you need the right people, there’s a lot of exclusion," he said.

"A man or a woman who’s very capable, doing very well in their profession, whatever that may be, with a family, are they going to be willing to take that pay cut, look their children in the eye when it’s Christmas say you can’t have what you normally have because Mummy or Daddy wants to be an MP."

I'm probably being a bit naive, but I thought serving your country was a vocation and not about the duck ponds.

reply to post by khimbar


It diesn't matter which way you want to spin it, they are still seeing their money go up, whilst capping others at a far lower percentage.

Originally posted by solargeddon
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It diesn't matter which way you want to spin it, they are still seeing their money go up, whilst capping others at a far lower percentage.

Please enlighten me on which part I'm spinning?

Where are they? What's the percentage increase in MPs pay this year? Next year?

Thank you.

reply to post by solargeddon


Exactly. Well said.

There's no defence for greedy MP's.

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by solargeddon
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It diesn't matter which way you want to spin it, they are still seeing their money go up, whilst capping others at a far lower percentage.

Where are they? What's the percentage increase in MPs pay this year? Next year?

Mate, it's not just pay, is it? They make up for any lack of salary increase by bumping up their allowances etc.
Things that you or I are unable to do because we don't get such generous allowances.
Or I don't, anyway.

I'm quite sure they can ask for a salary increase....and then get laughed at.
Honestly, it's not like they have to worry about the poor kicking off anymore. I can imagine the streets awash with H&M clad yummy mummies plowing Police down on their way to the houses of Parlament with their Boadicea blade enhanced £1,000 buggies.

I would actually support a pay increase for our Politicians (believe it or not). However, i would tie it into the abolishment of the "expenses" culture around Westminster. Say give every MP £100,000 per year but that is to pay for travel, food, accomodation, etc. Maybe even a little bit more so they are responsible for funding their own staff as well.

It will sound bad to some on here but, believe it or not, it would actually end up saving taxpayers cash every year.

I actually get far more offended by local government salaries. I do not see any justification for anyone in local government to earn more than the PM - that is a total joke.

It's funny what they think they are entitled too. I mean its not like the job doesn't come with enough perks. How many other jobs offer free housing, unchecked expenses and a subsidised bar bill. It must be a right old jolly being an MP. I'd do it for minimum wage.

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by solargeddon
reply to post by khimbar

 

It diesn't matter which way you want to spin it, they are still seeing their money go up, whilst capping others at a far lower percentage.

Please enlighten me on which part I'm spinning?

Where are they? What's the percentage increase in MPs pay this year? Next year?

Thank you.

edit on 11-1-2013 by khimbar because: (no reason given)

Which part are you not getting...public sector pay, benfeits etc, are all being frozen, or cut.

Child Benefit used to be a universal payout to parents with children, now many families don't receive it.

Why should they have any extra?

They have led us into a double dip recession, potentially a third dip to come, cut council and LEA budgets.

I believe their pay should be frozen.

Just like you I'm cranky today too!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
It's funny what they think they are entitled too. I mean its not like the job doesn't come with enough perks. How many other jobs offer free housing, unchecked expenses and a subsidised bar bill. It must be a right old jolly being an MP. I'd do it for minimum wage.

Kind of my point there. Do away with perks and simply give a bigger salary. That way, they are responsible for their own budgeting. And lets be honest here, any MP that cannot budget properly shouldn't be anywhere near running our country!

Originally posted by solargeddon

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by solargeddon
reply to post by khimbar

 

It diesn't matter which way you want to spin it, they are still seeing their money go up, whilst capping others at a far lower percentage.

Please enlighten me on which part I'm spinning?

Where are they? What's the percentage increase in MPs pay this year? Next year?

Thank you.

edit on 11-1-2013 by khimbar because: (no reason given)

Which part are you not getting...public sector pay, benfeits etc, are all being frozen, or cut.

Child Benefit used to be a universal payout to parents with children, now many families don't receive it.

Why should they have any extra?

They have led us into a double dip recession, potentially a third dip to come, cut council and LEA budgets.

I believe their pay should be frozen.

Just like you I'm cranky today too!

And the answers to the questions I asked?

reply to post by solargeddon


Actually, no matter which way you spin it their 'money' isn't going up.
They have had a pay freeze and may, I repeat may, get a 1% rise later this year.

Of course all MP's should be able to survive on approx £65k a year and no amount of rhetoric will alter that.

And yes, It certainly pisses me off that those who are advocating a rise are the first to support minimum wage, benefit cuts etc - but that is a completely different argument.
As is the expenses culture that MP's still believe is a divine right.
And it disgusts me that MP's can receive consultancy payments and directorship's etc on top of their MP's salary.

But none of that alters the FACT they they have had a pay freeze and at best will be getting a 1% increase later in the year.

reply to post by khimbar


If your in the UK, go to the local paper shop, and you will see it splashed over the front pages.

Answer your own questions, and stop making trouble where there isn't any, we are entitled to feel a bit put out.

We are a country under austerity measures afterall.

On average, Tories said their salary should be £96,740, while Lib Dems thought the right amount was £78,361 and Labour £77,322. Other parties put the figure at £75,091.

Well isn't this very telling...although apparently around a fifth thought it should be 95,000 overall.

The fact that they are even thinking about what they would like just sickens me.

Not desputing thery aren't getting 32%, but they shouldn't even be thinking about it.

Originally posted by solargeddon
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If your in the UK, go to the local paper shop, and you will see it splashed over the front pages.

Answer your own questions, and stop making trouble where there isn't any, we are entitled to feel a bit put out.

We are a country under austerity measures afterall.

edit on 11-1-2013 by solargeddon because: typo

How will the paper shop know how I'm spinning information? How am I supposed to know when you're the one that's accused me of it?

How is asking this making trouble?

reply to post by khimbar


I'm not saying you directly are spinning anything, regardless of whether you felt it was implied or not, the spinning comment was meant as a general, not specific.

Bottom line of the whole thing is, this is what MP's think they should be getting, amounst those surveyed, you would have thought in this time, they would have been a little more conservative about sounding off like this.

Originally posted by khimbar
They haven't 'called' for anything.

MPs haven't suddenly said 'We're awarding ourselves a 32% pay increase'. They've asked 100 of them what they would like and then averaged it out.

They will though, just wait.

I still remember that they payed themselves a 33% wage increase somewhere during the recession of 1990-1991.

Everyone else was either getting pay freezes, made redundant or single digit pay rises.

I actually looked into this about 2 months ago when I found out I could go to a questions forum with your chief of air staff and an MP .about morale and welfare within your armed forces.....the MP was a no show

At that point your MPs were debating an upto 40% pay rise with the excuse that their pension contributions would go up
Something like 7%, 9% or 11% and would be their decision on which rate they paid

So your an mp for what . 3 years
So 11% of ,90,000 over the year is 9,900 a year contribution towards that pension
Over 3 years that's 29,700
So for 3 years work and a donation of 29,700
Your entitled to a 100% pension !!!!!
AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE

something I raised in this meeting was tony Blair

Estimated net worth 30 million
Stil gets 190,000 pension !!!

Gordon brown
Estimated net worth 3 million
Still gets 90,000 pension ( if memory serves ) he did however turn down what they call the 'gold plated' pension whatever that may be ..............................well that was nice of him .............considering he's the fool that sold a third of your gold reserves at rock bottom prices

When Barclays were caught manipulating libor they were slapped with a six figure fine
What was it? A little over 200,000? An absolute bloody insult
However...........and this is interesting
5 weeks later ..........Barclays donated an undisclosed but 6 figure sum to a project upon which Cameron and Johnson sit on the board
Makes you wonder why they had such a low fine ?!

I then went on to say to that officer that your leaders set a poor example ( I may have used other words lol ) .........his poor secretary that was keeping notes and minutes didn't know where to look lol
I don't think he's been talked to like that for a long time

Your army has marched through London recently in opposition to cuts, your police are debating having a trade union to fight against cuts and conditions............and I can't see your armed forces being too far behind them

Just remember .........it's your fault your poor